Issue with the 77A

cianb78 wrote: »

Today i was waiting 20 mins on the 77a and when the bus arrived he said he is isnt driving through killinarden because of kids throwing stones at buses but then i had to walk home from the square and i seen a 77a drive past me in killinarden im very dissopointed with this bus sevice bus men are a joke nowadays. I am so annoyed i was told the 77a wasnt traveling through killinarden and i seen less than 10 mins later i see a 77a drive through killinarden. trasport for ireland hahahaha divers justy want a easy job just not stopping in certain places. yous should stop the 27 from going through jobstown since ur buses are getting stoned at but no divers still go up there but refuse to go through killinarden. Just to say i hope divers nowadays that dnt take proper routes should get fired but im sure that wont happen hope all customers that use trasport for work and stuff stop getting busses and start using luas because at least they go to the designated routes.

You do realise that buses are on GPS trackers and drivers can't just go where they like!!

I had my first and only experience of this route today (or technically yesterday given that it was Thursday). Anyway, my issue with this route is the amount of detours it takes. It was all good up until turning left onto Castletymon Road. From here, it zigzagged through Avonmore Road, Seskin View Road, Old Bawn Road, Belgard Square North, Belgard Square West, Alderpark Court etc. :mad:

All I can say is that I feel very sorry for those who frequently rely on it for getting to town. Some of the roads are heavily traffic calmed, not to mention the fact that there were plenty of tight junctions where the front of the bus ended up on the other side of the road. Having said that, it was a once off. So, it was a bit of an adventure! :rolleyes::D

Bottom line, this route should be split into 2 or 3 dedicated variations!

At the last Dublin Bus/Luas Community Forum held last Friday, NBRU representatives called the lack of community attendance at the meeting ‘atrocious’.

Who are they expecting to attend on behalf of the "community"?

54a also serves Killinarden. No mention of it in the article

To the OP, service was curtailed for an hour

http://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News-Archive/Central-Control-279/

howiya wrote: »

Who are they expecting to attend on behalf of the "community"?

54a also serves Killinarden. No mention of it in the article

The elected representatives of the area. Politicians, community leaders and local Gardai. They should be more active on this issue which is affecting thousands of commuters almost daily.

The 54a and 65 do not directly travel through Killinarden. It is far easier for Gardai to monitor main roads than housing estates which is why they can continue a service on the N81 rather than through Killinarden Heights. I'm guessing patrolling the area in daylight is also easier.

Same ****e is going on in Neilstown

It's just not good enough and it's beyond time the parents were brought to task over their beloved angles

KD345 wrote: »

The elected representatives of the area. Politicians, community leaders and local Gardai. They should be more active on this issue which is affecting thousands of commuters almost daily.

The 54a and 65 do not directly travel through Killinarden. It is far easier for Gardai to monitor main roads than housing estates which is why they can continue a service on the N81 rather than through Killinarden Heights. I'm guessing patrolling the area in daylight is also easier.

Gardai and councillors were at the meetings. Who are these community leaders? I'm living in Tallaght (not an affected part) 30 years and I don't know who the community leader is.

I'm pretty sure the posters on bus stops another poster has referred to are something to do with councillors as I've seen them at their constituency office in Tallaght village too.

If they're able to provide a service along the N81 surely they can keep the 77a and 65b going as far as Citywest without going through Killinarden.

The 54a serves stops beyond the Square and serves Killinarden estate.

56a has had trouble in Springfield but won't be pulled according to the article.

The point I'm making is the union's approach seems a bit half and half. Either it's safe or its not. If they decide it's unsafe then they are well within their rights to stop driving past the Square but yet they are happy to let their colleagues drive in these same areas. IMO they should pull all the routes until the situation is resolved.

cianb78 wrote: »

Today i was waiting 20 mins on the 77a and when the bus arrived he said he is isnt driving through killinarden because of kids throwing stones at buses but then i had to walk home from the square and i seen a 77a drive past me in killinarden im very dissopointed with this bus sevice bus men are a joke nowadays. I am so annoyed i was told the 77a wasnt traveling through killinarden and i seen less than 10 mins later i see a 77a drive through killinarden. trasport for ireland hahahaha divers justy want a easy job just not stopping in certain places. yous should stop the 27 from going through jobstown since ur buses are getting stoned at but no divers still go up there but refuse to go through killinarden. Just to say i hope divers nowadays that dnt take proper routes should get fired but im sure that wont happen hope all customers that use trasport for work and stuff stop getting busses and start using luas because at least they go to the designated routes.

Not sure what you're talking about the 27 for, I've seen lots of social media messages from DB where the 27 gets curtailed due to antisocial behaviour. Happens pretty frequently.

KD345 wrote: »

The two articles I read spoke of the disappointment from both Dublin Bus and Luas of a lack of representation at recent meetings. Tallaght has a great community spirit and lots of activists, this was evident at the recent water protests and bin disputes. I'm just shocked that an issue which affects thousands of people in their locality is not getting the same response from these people.

The 54a operates beyond The Square turning at Whitestown Cross towards Kiltipper. It passes Killinarden but does not operate through the estate of Killinarden Heights. This area is served by the 65b and 77a.

The 56a operates once an hour, it might be a case they can patrol this route by the time next bus is due. This is different to the 27 and 77a which operate every 10 minutes at times.

The bin and water charges were political issues and are entirely different. Do you think that Joe Bloggs on a water march has the power to stop these vandals? Maybe if the Gardai policed these bus routes with the same resources they gave to these marches those involved would be caught and stopped.

You don't need to explain to me where the buses serve and don't serve.

The 77a does not operate every 10 minutes at any time of the day.The 65b runs every hour similar to the 56a.

Do you think these vandals won't touch the 54a when it suddenly becomes the nearest bus to them, a couple of minutes walk away at most??

It's the inconsistency that gets me. A union is supposed to be for all its members, not a select few. What if one of their members is seriously hurt on one of the routes that is left running?

As I said before all routes should be stopped at the square until problem goes away or is dealt with.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Not only is this dangerous for passengers and drivers and staff surely it costs DB quite a lot of money. All those windows smashed and buses vandalised. The money could surely be spent better off elsewhere.

A thats has stones thrown at probably will only 3 or 4 passengers on it if its late at night paying what €2.60 with a leap card or €3.30 cash or is free on a pass. Is what €10 to €20 made at the most. A broken window would cost a few hundred to replace. So surely its in DBs interest not to run these routes.

Dublin Bus are probably not even loosing that money to be honest. If someone pays €2.60 to go from Kevin's Street to jobstown but has to get off at the square they're still paying the €2.60. No one is going to not get the bus just because it terminates early.

devnull wrote: »

Remember that Dublin Bus won't get paid for journeys that they do not run.

Whilst this is the case, the Dublin Bus contract with the National Transport Authority clearly details the obligation on the company to operate their buses safely without risk to passengers. The ongoing problems on these routes, to which the NTA are aware, would certainly override the loss of service penalty.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Does a curtailed or diverted service count as service not operated. Say if a bus is diverted due to roadworks or a parade etc. does this count as not operated. The 77a hasn't stopped operating its just been curtailed/diverted.

There are penalties for not operating a full route, however there are exclusions for events such as roadworks, diversions and poor weather conditions.

The company is also required to report security incidents and times/locations where buses have been curtailed because of incidents. The NTA would be very aware of these ongoing issues in Tallaght.