Mother Teresa - 20 years ago

markodaly wrote: »

The keyboard warriors are strong on this thread. All mouth, no trousers as they say in Scotland.

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

Yeah, before you know it we'll have novices who couldn't tell you what a stethoscope is going off on Harold Shipman...

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

You can bet your ass that if I was being given millions to take care of the sick and dying I'd, at the very least, actually use the money to, y'know, look after them rather than let them die in slightly less squalor and not allow their family to come visit them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you just pop up on threads all the time just for the sole purpose of getting offended :pac::pac::pac::pac:

If he is offended he has every right to be. FFS it's a horrible term to use towards a fellow human being. No one is perfect but being deemed as a reject is deplorable.

Ah yes, Agnes Gonxha - the Serpent of Calcutta :

[Dr Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet, visited and reported on Mother Teresa's Calcutta work in 17 September 1994:]

'There are doctors who call in from time to time but usually the sisters and volunteers (some of whom have medical knowledge) make decisions as best they can.
I saw a young man who had been admitted in poor shape with high fever, and the drugs prescribed had been tetracycline and paracetamol. Later a visiting doctor diagnosed probable malaria and substituted chloroquine.
Could not someone have looked at a blood film? Investigations, I was told, are seldom permissible.

How about simple algorithms that might help the sisters and volunteers distinguish the curable from the incurable? Again no.

Such systematic approaches are alien to the ethos of the home. Mother Teresa prefers providence to planning; her rules are designed to prevent any drift towards materialism: the sisters must remain on equal terms with the poor.

Finally, how competent are the sisters at managing pain? On a short visit, I could not judge the power of the spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn the formulary includes no strong analgesics.

Along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks Mother Teresa's approach as clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know which I prefer.'

I lived in Calcutta about 7 years ago, and volunteered with the Mother Teresa Organisation there, for six months. While there's no doubt they do good work, they certainly have the most international funding, and cherrypick how they spend it and on who. There are better organisations in Calcutta, doing a lot more with a lot less.

LordSutch wrote: »

Pleas explain!

My memories of her from the TV would all be very positive, helping the sick and infirm, so what's all this negative stuff about her in this thread?

Her 'homes for the dying' are just that; places you go to die.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that there is no attempt to diagnose or treat people who can be treated. If you go there with something that just needs a course of antibiotics, tough; you're still going to die. And in pain, because they don't give out painkillers and any medications they do give are injected with needles reused until they're blunt and not properly sterilised. People lie on beds on the floor which they are not allowed to leave, their families cannot visit them. The toilet facilities are a bucket in a corner; this in a place where many people have diarrhoea. Patients with TB are not isolated. People are pressured to convert to Christianity, and will be baptised without consent.

She accepted money which she refused to return when it was revealed to have been embezzeled from UK pensions. She had ties to Papa Doc Duvalier.

The woman herself said "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people".

She glorified suffering that she could have relieved with the millions which were donated to her.

It's hard to believe that after so many years, and so much information available about it, that people still seem ignorant of what went on in her 'hospitals' and how the money was used.

shew was donated millions upon millions. With the money she had she literally could have had the finest hospital in the entire world and given first world care and medical help to those in her care.

But she didn't. Those in her care needed to die in a manner fitting their station in life and in line with her harsh religious standpoint.

LordSutch wrote: »

From Saint to Sinner within a day ...

So after twenty years of carrying around the idea of Mother Teresa as a saintly, caring & wonderful little woman, I now hear the total opposite

If I am to believe the many negative posts in this thread, then Mother Theresa of Calcutta the ultimate sinner.

This new perspective of her might take a while to sink in.....

Not convinced of her evil deeds - yet.

None of the information posted here is new. It is all at least 20 years old.

markodaly wrote: »

Admittingly the medical techniques and procedures may have been lacking so this gives ammo to the cool kids, as if there is an army of well trained doctors walking around Calcutta in the 1950's looking for work. I don't think there was some devious plan to inflict pain, I just think that they did not know any better when they started, did the best they could and they continued the same techniques even when more funding was available.

But why did they continue in the same vein? When she started receiving massive funding she could have built a magnificent hospital and hired brilliant doctors, it's not like India doesn't have good medical programmes. She continued to let poor people suffer and die, in many cases needlessly, because she thought it was "beautiful".

And on the topic of money; the order refuses to let anyone see their books so no-one has any idea how much is donated and what they do with it.

kylith wrote: »

But.....

Why are you asking? You have your mind made up about her but want to try and convince others that she is evil incarnate. You are just as dogmatic as her in fact.