Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 12:22PM #1

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Mooooo · 05-09-2017 12:23PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Ok

Solomon Pleasant · 05-09-2017 12:25PM

I think the issue is that a lot of teachers are above average earners and they are still getting paid a very decent wage outside of term time. If you subscribe to your view then the hourly rate for teaching must be extremely high given that they only spend from 9-3/4 actually teaching, although I understand that there are extra requirements of the job outside of those hours.

Secondary school teachers also have the opportunity to earn extra money during the summer by correcting exam papers for the state examinations commission. I've also known teachers that have taken on extra work outside of this to earn more money - an opportunity not afforded to that majority of employees.

Given this, I can imagine why some people feel slightly jealousy towards teachers although if they feel so strongly they should probably become teachers.

amcalester · 05-09-2017 12:25PM

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

phasers · 05-09-2017 12:27PM

amcalester wrote: »

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

They're not unemployed

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-09-2017 12:28PM

amcalester wrote: »

I've often heard that and wondered if they can claim the dole for the summer months.

Can they? And if not, why not?

They are paid a salary and it's divided up into 26 pay days over the year so they get paid during the summer too.

irelandrover · 05-09-2017 12:28PM

Surely the fact that they are paid for 2 months holidays during the summer means they have a long paid holiday?

bucketybuck · 05-09-2017 12:30PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Its because teachers do get to sit around all summer doing nothing. Their job allows and facilitates that. Happy to help.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 12:31PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its because teachers do get to sit around all summer doing nothing. Their job allows and facilitates that. Happy to help.

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

_Roz_ · 05-09-2017 12:33PM

What kind of salaries are we talking here?

Hammer89 · 05-09-2017 12:34PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Okay miss.

irelandrover · 05-09-2017 12:35PM

what happens if a teacher quits on the last day of the school year. Would they be paid for the summer?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 12:38PM

I presume so. It's money they've already earned.

Permabear · 05-09-2017 12:41PM

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Benjamin Buttons · 05-09-2017 12:41PM

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

Martina1991 · 05-09-2017 12:42PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

Yes, but they're not paid for it. The holidays are a necessary part of the job, because the children need time off. The teachers' salary reflects that and they are only paid for the time they work.

Yeah, teachers get a year long salary like other jobs, but they have at least 2 solid months off work. Which is why some people become jealous/ annoyed.

_Roz_ · 05-09-2017 12:43PM

€30? Why would people complain about summer holidays when they're paid €30? They chose to work in an occupation where they get time off in Summer, that was their choice. €30k is a reasonable sum, whether you divide it over 10 or 12 months.

If people are jealous, they should become teachers.

If they got paid the same money over 10 months, they'd still be paid the same, and it's still not a mindnumbing amount...

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 12:43PM

Permabear wrote: »

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No, it's not. They are paid for the number of weeks they work like anyone else. But then the payment is spread out pro-rata across the entire year. They would still be paid the same salary however the Dept of Education chose to pay them, it would just come to larger individual cheques for a smaller part of the year.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-09-2017 12:45PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Yeah, teachers get a year long salary like other jobs, but they have at least 2 solid months off work. Which is why some people become jealous/ annoyed.

I can understand people being jealous. But being annoyed isn't really fair. They're paid a reasonable salary for the work they do and the responsibility they undertake. The two months holidays is great, but it's taken into account vis a vis their pay, so there's no real reason to be annoyed. But jealous, definitely

05-09-2017 12:46PM

Who cares children need a good break from school they will be adults long enough maybe there is some argument that secondary school holiday are a bit too long.

in the great scheme of things to be concerned about its minor.

Schools and education establishments are not child minding facilities.

endacl · 05-09-2017 12:49PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

While your post is factually correct, I can't escape the feeling that I've been paid to sit around scratching me hole for the last three months.

Nice one! How many weeks till halloween? Another week off!

Permabear · 05-09-2017 12:50PM

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pickarooney · 05-09-2017 12:51PM

Mark Rough Silk wrote: »

They don't. They are paid for the hours they work, and that pay is calculated pro rata across the year. They would be paid the same overall amount, even if they were left without pay cheques all Summer. They would just get larger pay cheques during term time.

I'm not a teacher, or related to any teachers. But I'm sick of hearing this argument every year by people convinced teachers are getting paid to sit around all Summer doing nothing.

Because everyone who has any sense looks at annual salary and annual holidays rather than trying to refute basic logic with this sort of convoluted nonsense?

Pure tashte · 05-09-2017 12:52PM

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

The average salary of a primary school teacher in Ireland is: €30,184 per year.
The average salary of a TD in Ireland is : €87,258 per year.

I wonder which of the above is overpaid?

Is that the starting salary? Surely the average salary for all teachers would be far higher than that?

Permabear · 05-09-2017 12:53PM

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SEPT 23 1989 · 05-09-2017 12:53PM

handy number for the ones who are any good at it

_Roz_ · 05-09-2017 12:53PM

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

endacl · 05-09-2017 12:54PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Technically.

I can't remember the exact year off the top of my head, but teachers used only receive a payment for time worked. The department, at teachers' request, spread these payments over the whole year. Sometime in the mid 50s, iirc. So, it is true. We get paid for teaching days, pro rata, but the yearly total is divided int 12 equal monthly payments.

endacl · 05-09-2017 12:55PM

_Roz_ wrote: »

I'm starting to want to become a teacher after reading all this.... but I'm not a fan of kids, so not sure how that would work. :rolleyes:

Further ed. I've never had to stand in front of a roomful of kids.

Mickeroo · 05-09-2017 12:55PM

I guess the long paid holidays is the main reason I always assumed they had long paid holidays.

05-09-2017 12:56PM

Anyone ever heard of a teacher having her baby in May? Anyone? Anyone?

Why do so many people insist that teachers get long paid holidays

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