Blake's water ram pump

341power · 29-08-2017 02:36PM #1

Hi

I have an old Blake's water ram pump and I am wondering dose any one have any information e.g manuals etc or where I could get parts new or used. It's is a Blake's hydram no 13.269. The plan is to get it working again. I would be great full if any one could help.

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White Clover · 29-08-2017 03:20PM

341power wrote: »

Hi

I have an old Blake's water ram pump and I am wondering dose any one have any information e.g manuals etc or where I could get parts new or used. It's is a Blake's hydram no 13.269. The plan is to get it working again. I would be great full if any one could help.

Sorry, I don't have any info or manuals but I would be interested in seeing a few photos of it if possible ?

tabby aspreme · 29-08-2017 03:20PM

Green & Carter Somerset UK will have everything you need .

341power · 29-08-2017 07:19PM

I have put up some images

tabby aspreme · 29-08-2017 07:32PM

Shouldn't be too hard to get that running it looks mostly complete, you may have to change the plastic fitting on the front for steel or brass as there may be a lot of pressure on it, Green and Carter sell the rubber valves , there is one at the base of the tank and one on the outlet, then all you need is a head of water. What part of the country are you in.

341power · 29-08-2017 07:50PM

Front fitting is one of the parts I am looking for and information on distance, height the ram can pump water as you can image the manual/instructions were lost long ago.
I am located in the kilkenny area.

studdlymurphy · 29-08-2017 09:31PM

Would love to see a video of it working when you do get sorted.

aphextwit · 30-08-2017 11:40AM

You could also try McCandless in Coleraine.

Let us all know how you get on sourcing manuals and parts.

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 01:02PM

341power wrote: »

Front fitting is one of the parts I am looking for and information on distance, height the ram can pump water as you can image the manual/instructions were lost long ago.
I am located in the kilkenny area.

A heating radiator valve may fit where that plastic fitting is, I think there should also be a small tap under where the plastic fitting is, I will put up a picture of my one when I get a chance. There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

341power · 30-08-2017 06:36PM

I found this video on youtube of a blake's water ram (see below link). It is not the same as the pump I have but it is very similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp24SFxIZu4&t=82s&index=1&list=LLJ5ZBEv5Ho-X2-AyqYp846A

The second link is a video of an modern version of the Blake's ram pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJwprhkwYdQ

341power · 30-08-2017 06:38PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

A heating radiator valve may fit where that plastic fitting is, I think there should also be a small tap under where the plastic fitting is, I will put up a picture of my one when I get a chance. There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

how far is your pump located from your water source?

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 06:50PM

341power wrote: »

how far is your pump located from your water source?

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

341power · 30-08-2017 07:04PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

That sounds very good allowing you pump water 400m distance 100m height. Could you use wavin pipe instead of gun barrel?

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 07:32PM

341power wrote: »

That sounds very good allowing you pump water 400m distance 100m height. Could you use wavin pipe instead of gun barrel?

Wavin would flex when the waste valve shuts , which would reduce the pressure in the outlet pipe , it all depends on what height you need to drive the water

341power · 30-08-2017 07:56PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Wavin would flex when the waste valve shuts , which would reduce the pressure in the outlet pipe , it all depends on what height you need to drive the water

would burying the pipe in the ground solve the problem of flexing? I have to drive the water approximately 200 meters but i would have a fall of 10 ft and distance greater than 60 ft more if i needed

studdlymurphy · 30-08-2017 08:47PM

tabby aspreme wrote:

There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

tabby aspreme wrote:

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

A 4ft head will pump to a 100m head ? That seems like a massive increase. Just with a very small flow I assume?

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 09:25PM

Here's a few pages from a Blake handbook.

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 09:36PM

341power wrote: »

would burying the pipe in the ground solve the problem of flexing? I have to drive the water approximately 200 meters but i would have a fall of 10 ft and distance greater than 60 ft more if i needed

I don't think burying the pipe would help as the force of the water in the pipe when stopped dead would make it expand, with the ram here you can feel the the vibration at the top of the feed pipe each time the cycle stops and it cycles approximately every second

Water John · 30-08-2017 09:39PM

Engineering genius, in its simplicity, thanks.

A great practical use of Boyle's Law.

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 09:42PM

studdlymurphy wrote: »

A 4ft head will pump to a 100m head ? That seems like a massive increase. Just with a very small flow I assume?

The spring from which the ram works is quite small , even after heavy rain if you let the water flow straight through the ram without the valve in place the 1 1/4" pipe can take all the water, it pumps 20 gallons per hour when running

tabby aspreme · 30-08-2017 10:08PM

Here's a pic of the two rubber valves , the large one sits under the pressure vessel and the smaller one is the waste valve that stops the water, the ram runs for about 4 months a year and the waste valve is replaced every second year , with the bigger valve lasting twice that, but it's best to keep a spare set.

341power · 31-08-2017 10:19AM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Here's a pic of the two rubber valves , the large one sits under the pressure vessel and the smaller one is the waste valve that stops the water, the ram runs for about 4 months a year and the waste valve is replaced every second year , with the bigger valve lasting twice that, but it's best to keep a spare set.

Where did you buy the rubber valves?

341power · 31-08-2017 10:27AM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

I don't think burying the pipe would help as the force of the water in the pipe when stopped dead would make it expand, with the ram here you can feel the the vibration at the top of the feed pipe each time the cycle stops and it cycles approximately every second

I understand what you are saying the ram will not be efficient at pumping the water if there is moment. Looks like I'll be investing in some gun metal piping. Thank you for you reply

341power · 31-08-2017 10:40AM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Green & Carter Somerset UK will have everything you need .

Green & Carter got back to me and said they can make any thing I need

tabby aspreme · 31-08-2017 11:48AM

341power wrote: »

Where did you buy the rubber valves?

Green and Carter , Allspeeds in Birmingham also supply parts but I never dealt with them

tabby aspreme · 31-08-2017 12:18PM

Pictures of the ram without the valve in place, and the concrete pipe used for storing the water supply to the ram , the water is piped into the concrete pipe from a spring .

341power · 31-08-2017 01:57PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Pictures of the ram without the valve in place, and the concrete pipe used for storing the water supply to the ram , the water is piped into the concrete pipe from a spring .

Thank you have been a great help

341power · 31-08-2017 02:03PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Green and Carter , Allspeeds in Birmingham also supply parts but I never dealt with them

I have contacted Allspeeds and they make the Blake water ram pump today and they are going to look up the serial number in there records and find some information on my ram pump. They also supply parts (see attachment).

341power · 31-08-2017 02:10PM

See below link for manuals and Datasheets from the Allspeeds website who make the Blake water ram today.

http://www.allspeeds.co.uk/hydraulic-ram-pump/

cute geoge · 31-08-2017 04:22PM

I presume a ram pump could not work off a back drain from a river as drain would be under ground level all ready so is it only a spring that these ram pumps are suitable for

White Clover · 31-08-2017 04:24PM

cute geoge wrote: »

I presume a ram pump could not work off a back drain from a river as drain would be under ground level all ready so is it only a spring that these ram pumps are suitable for

You need a "flow" of water for a ram pump to work.

Blake's water ram pump

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