Blake's water ram pump

341power

Hi

I have an old Blake's water ram pump and I am wondering dose any one have any information e.g manuals etc or where I could get parts new or used. It's is a Blake's hydram no 13.269. The plan is to get it working again. I would be great full if any one could help.

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White Clover

341power wrote: »

Hi

I have an old Blake's water ram pump and I am wondering dose any one have any information e.g manuals etc or where I could get parts new or used. It's is a Blake's hydram no 13.269. The plan is to get it working again. I would be great full if any one could help.

Sorry, I don't have any info or manuals but I would be interested in seeing a few photos of it if possible ?

tabby aspreme

Green & Carter Somerset UK will have everything you need .

341power

I have put up some images

tabby aspreme

Shouldn't be too hard to get that running it looks mostly complete, you may have to change the plastic fitting on the front for steel or brass as there may be a lot of pressure on it, Green and Carter sell the rubber valves , there is one at the base of the tank and one on the outlet, then all you need is a head of water. What part of the country are you in.

341power

Front fitting is one of the parts I am looking for and information on distance, height the ram can pump water as you can image the manual/instructions were lost long ago.
I am located in the kilkenny area.

studdlymurphy

Would love to see a video of it working when you do get sorted.

aphextwit

You could also try McCandless in Coleraine.

Let us all know how you get on sourcing manuals and parts.

tabby aspreme

341power wrote: »

Front fitting is one of the parts I am looking for and information on distance, height the ram can pump water as you can image the manual/instructions were lost long ago.
I am located in the kilkenny area.

A heating radiator valve may fit where that plastic fitting is, I think there should also be a small tap under where the plastic fitting is, I will put up a picture of my one when I get a chance. There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

341power

I found this video on youtube of a blake's water ram (see below link). It is not the same as the pump I have but it is very similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp24SFxIZu4&t=82s&index=1&list=LLJ5ZBEv5Ho-X2-AyqYp846A

The second link is a video of an modern version of the Blake's ram pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJwprhkwYdQ

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

A heating radiator valve may fit where that plastic fitting is, I think there should also be a small tap under where the plastic fitting is, I will put up a picture of my one when I get a chance. There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

how far is your pump located from your water source?

tabby aspreme

341power wrote: »

how far is your pump located from your water source?

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

That sounds very good allowing you pump water 400m distance 100m height. Could you use wavin pipe instead of gun barrel?

tabby aspreme

341power wrote: »

That sounds very good allowing you pump water 400m distance 100m height. Could you use wavin pipe instead of gun barrel?

Wavin would flex when the waste valve shuts , which would reduce the pressure in the outlet pipe , it all depends on what height you need to drive the water

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Wavin would flex when the waste valve shuts , which would reduce the pressure in the outlet pipe , it all depends on what height you need to drive the water

would burying the pipe in the ground solve the problem of flexing? I have to drive the water approximately 200 meters but i would have a fall of 10 ft and distance greater than 60 ft more if i needed

studdlymurphy

tabby aspreme wrote:

There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

tabby aspreme wrote:

40 ft , two lengths of gunbarrell pipe with approximately 4ft of a fall

A 4ft head will pump to a 100m head ? That seems like a massive increase. Just with a very small flow I assume?

tabby aspreme

Here's a few pages from a Blake handbook.

tabby aspreme

341power wrote: »

would burying the pipe in the ground solve the problem of flexing? I have to drive the water approximately 200 meters but i would have a fall of 10 ft and distance greater than 60 ft more if i needed

I don't think burying the pipe would help as the force of the water in the pipe when stopped dead would make it expand, with the ram here you can feel the the vibration at the top of the feed pipe each time the cycle stops and it cycles approximately every second

Water John

Engineering genius, in its simplicity, thanks.

A great practical use of Boyle's Law.

tabby aspreme

studdlymurphy wrote: »

A 4ft head will pump to a 100m head ? That seems like a massive increase. Just with a very small flow I assume?

The spring from which the ram works is quite small , even after heavy rain if you let the water flow straight through the ram without the valve in place the 1 1/4" pipe can take all the water, it pumps 20 gallons per hour when running

tabby aspreme

Here's a pic of the two rubber valves , the large one sits under the pressure vessel and the smaller one is the waste valve that stops the water, the ram runs for about 4 months a year and the waste valve is replaced every second year , with the bigger valve lasting twice that, but it's best to keep a spare set.

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Here's a pic of the two rubber valves , the large one sits under the pressure vessel and the smaller one is the waste valve that stops the water, the ram runs for about 4 months a year and the waste valve is replaced every second year , with the bigger valve lasting twice that, but it's best to keep a spare set.

Where did you buy the rubber valves?

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

I don't think burying the pipe would help as the force of the water in the pipe when stopped dead would make it expand, with the ram here you can feel the the vibration at the top of the feed pipe each time the cycle stops and it cycles approximately every second

I understand what you are saying the ram will not be efficient at pumping the water if there is moment. Looks like I'll be investing in some gun metal piping. Thank you for you reply

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Green & Carter Somerset UK will have everything you need .

Green & Carter got back to me and said they can make any thing I need

tabby aspreme

341power wrote: »

Where did you buy the rubber valves?

Green and Carter , Allspeeds in Birmingham also supply parts but I never dealt with them

tabby aspreme

Pictures of the ram without the valve in place, and the concrete pipe used for storing the water supply to the ram , the water is piped into the concrete pipe from a spring .

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Pictures of the ram without the valve in place, and the concrete pipe used for storing the water supply to the ram , the water is piped into the concrete pipe from a spring .

Thank you have been a great help

341power

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Green and Carter , Allspeeds in Birmingham also supply parts but I never dealt with them

I have contacted Allspeeds and they make the Blake water ram pump today and they are going to look up the serial number in there records and find some information on my ram pump. They also supply parts (see attachment).

341power

See below link for manuals and Datasheets from the Allspeeds website who make the Blake water ram today.

http://www.allspeeds.co.uk/hydraulic-ram-pump/

cute geoge

I presume a ram pump could not work off a back drain from a river as drain would be under ground level all ready so is it only a spring that these ram pumps are suitable for

White Clover

cute geoge wrote: »

I presume a ram pump could not work off a back drain from a river as drain would be under ground level all ready so is it only a spring that these ram pumps are suitable for

You need a "flow" of water for a ram pump to work.

341power

Allspeeds/Blake's got back to me about the history of my water ram. They sent me scans of the original order documentation with details/specification for the ram pump. The ram pump was manufactured in 1920 and was ordered by a man from wexford.

see below link for scan.
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341power

cute geoge wrote: »

I presume a ram pump could not work off a back drain from a river as drain would be under ground level all ready so is it only a spring that these ram pumps are suitable for

See attached document, which might answer your question Allspeeds/Blake's hydram sent this to me. See diagrams.

White Clover

tabby aspreme wrote: »

A heating radiator valve may fit where that plastic fitting is, I think there should also be a small tap under where the plastic fitting is, I will put up a picture of my one when I get a chance. There is no real limit as to the distance/height it will pump, my one has pumped 400m distance 100m height no problem.

Hi Tabby, I am going to attempt to construct one of these. I need to pump water to a height of 30m over a distance of 300m. I have 6m of head for my drive pipe over approx 50m. I have a spring that could easily supply a 2" drive pipe. Can you advise on what size fittings and also say if it would be capable of pumping the distances above. Cheers

tabby aspreme

White Clover wrote: »

Hi Tabby, I am going to attempt to construct one of these. I need to pump water to a height of 30m over a distance of 300m. I have 6m of head for my drive pipe over approx 50m. I have a spring that could easily supply a 2" drive pipe. Can you advise on what size fittings and also say if it would be capable of pumping the distances above. Cheers

Not sure what size fittings, at least 1.5 inch , bigger if you have the water, the distance and height you need should be no problem, you could use hydradare for all but the last 10 metres of the drive pipe , would it be possible to get 1m fall in the last 10m of the drive pipe.
Took a bad picture of one near me today, can get you better pics tomorrow with my wellies on.

Tomjim

how much to buy one of these new

gctest50

You could make one - not much in it


This one :

is based on :




https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/eng/research/grouplist/structural/dtu/pubs/tr/lift/rptr14/tr14.pdf

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funkey_monkey

How much are these things?

We have an outlying farm which has no mains water so we have a header tank in a shed which is supplied by a electric pump which uses 1" piping and powered by a diesel generator.
Needless to say it is a slow system to keep this tank filled.

I was thinking of switching this out for mains supply, but this might be a better solution if it was cheaper than mains connection price.

There is a small stream beside the shed were we currently lift the water from - always a decent flow from it.

How do they perform in winter conditions - are they prone to bursting from the frost - or does the fact that they are continually pumping mean that they do not freeze?

Say my name

Solar powered water pumps are another option too for people with no power.

gctest50

cute way to sort your intake :