Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

Autochange · 27-08-2017 05:09PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

Rory, did Floyd tell you this plan? Do you believe him..

One could argue that he couldn't outbox or get the better of a fresher-fitter 4 rds Conor..

Only rd 6 or so onwards he started getting on top due to Conor gassing badly..

Mayweather regularly loses the first few rounds as he sounds out opponents. This is a known fact. Plus it was after the third round he took over

ebbsy · 27-08-2017 05:09PM

Floyd via DQ

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Wonder how conor would get on starting at the bottom for a UK /euro belt?

I would say he would get hammered. Especially if he is tanking after a few rounds.

Topcat32 · 27-08-2017 05:10PM

walshb wrote: »

Rory, did Floyd tell you this plan? Do you believe him..

One could argue that he couldn't outbox or get the better of a fresher-fitter 4 rds Conor..

Only rd 6 or so onwards he started getting on top due to Conor gassing badly..

He won rounds 3, 4 and 5 on all judges cards, was on top from round 4 onwards in his usual carefull way.

blade1 · 27-08-2017 05:11PM

Draw

This should really have been a chance for Floyd to dazzle on his last night ever.
Go through his whole repertoire of skills.
Kinda like one time I saw Bob Anderson playing a local pub dart player, when he got down on his knees and checked out on a 3 dart finish.

walshb · 27-08-2017 05:14PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Topcat32 wrote: »

He won rounds 3, 4 and 5 on all judges cards, was on top from round 4 onwards in his usual carefull way.

And rds 3/4 were closely fought. Could argue either way..

Was 6 onwards when real fatigue set in that Floyd started to impose his offence.

RoryMac · 27-08-2017 05:14PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

Rory, did Floyd tell you this plan? Do you believe him..

One could argue that he couldn't outbox or get the better of a fresher-fitter 4 rds Conor..

Only rd 6 or so onwards he started getting on top due to Conor gassing badly..

No but I believe him when he said after the fight that the plan was to let him throw, gas & take advantage as the fight wore on. He retreated to the ropes at the start of the early rounds and let McGregor throw. McGregor didn't force him to the ropes, he chose to be there.

Yes when McGregor was fresh he was throwing more than Mayweather but nothing of substance was getting through. You could say the same for Mayweather in those rounds as he was missing a lot and also didn't have the power to worry McGregor but again it seemed it was more about keeping the pace up as McGregor started to tire.

For the record I thought Mayweather was very poor but I think he stuck to the plan and was in control of how the fight would play out.

walshb · 27-08-2017 05:16PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

RoryMac wrote: »

No but I believe him when he said after the fight that the plan was to let him throw, gas & take advantage as the fight wore on. He retreated to the ropes at the start of the early rounds and let McGregor throw. McGregor didn't force him to the ropes, he chose to be there.

Yes when McGregor was fresh he was throwing more than Mayweather but nothing of substance was getting through. You could say the same for Mayweather in those rounds as he was missing a lot and also didn't have the power to worry McGregor but again it seemed it was more about keeping the pace up as McGregor started to tire.

For the record I thought Mayweather was very poor but I think he stuck to the plan and was in control of how the fight would play out.

Fair assessment.

RoryMac · 27-08-2017 05:18PM

Floyd via DQ

blade1 wrote: »

This should really have been a chance for Floyd to dazzle on his last night ever.
Go through his whole repertoire of skills.
Kinda like one time I saw Bob Anderson playing a local pub dart player, when he got down on his knees and checked out on a 3 dart finish.

It should have been but in hindsight to expect Mayweather to take unnecessary risks was wishful thinking.

blade1 · 27-08-2017 05:24PM

Draw

RoryMac wrote: »

It should have been but in hindsight to expect Mayweather to take unnecessary risks was wishful thinking.

The risks were minimal at most I feel considering he was in with a novice.
But yes I hear what u are saying alright and thinking about it it's typical Floyd!

Autochange · 27-08-2017 05:25PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

pac_man wrote: »

Mayweather looked like a 40 year old in the ring but credit were credit is due,
fair play to Mcgregor,he did alot better than I expected.
You have pro boxers that take a couple of years to box for 12 rounds, the fact the he lasted 10 rounds and won a few rounds was impressive.

You would swear he got off the couch or something on short notice . Hes a high level athlete in shape all year round.

Topcat32 · 27-08-2017 05:29PM

Autochange wrote: »

You would swear he got off the couch or something on short notice . Hes a high level athlete in shape all year round.

Who did not have a fight for two years, in his previois retirements he was living like a high level athlete, im not so sure the same was the case this time around.

Autochange · 27-08-2017 05:31PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Topcat32 wrote: »

Who did not have a fight for two years, in his previois retirements he was living like a high level athlete, im not so sure the same was the case this time around.

Im talking about McGregor

Ash.J.Williams · 27-08-2017 05:38PM

Conor via DQ

ebbsy wrote: »

I would say he would get hammered. Especially if he is tanking after a few rounds.

Don't be silly... Read what I said

Autochange · 27-08-2017 05:38PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

pac_man wrote: »

High level athlete means nothing as was evident in the fight. Boxing fitness is completely different to other types of fitness.

He gassed in the 2nd Diaz fight and ran from him at times. He also gassed vs Chad Mendez who was called up late.

Again he has been training from a young age. Has been fighting regularly. Keeps in excellent shape. Has a team of trainiers. And he still gassed out after 5 rounds. His mouth was open and he was breathing heavy very early.

Ufc title fights are 5x5 rounds 25 mins
Boxing 3x12 36 mins

His MMA knockout power is what is winning him fights. Any time he is pushed and pressured he has looked vulnerable.
He is not some Rocky character plucked from the crowd last minute.

Alf Veedersane · 27-08-2017 05:51PM

Autochange wrote: »

He gassed in the 2nd Diaz fight and ran from him at times. He also gassed vs Chad Mendez who was called up late.

Again he has been training from a young age. Has been fighting regularly. Keeps in excellent shape. Has a team of trainiers. And he still gassed out after 5 rounds. His mouth was open and he was breathing heavy very early.

Ufc title fights are 5x5 rounds 25 mins
Boxing 3x12 36 mins

His MMA knockout power is what is winning him fights. Any time he is pushed and pressured he has looked vulnerable.
He is not some Rocky character plucked from the crowd last minute.

Being fit and being fit to box for 12 rounds aren't the same thing.

Autochange · 27-08-2017 05:53PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Being fit and being fit to box for 12 rounds aren't the same thing.

So what has he been doing for the past few months?
Do you not need to be fit to fight in MMA 5x5 rounds?

Alf Veedersane · 27-08-2017 05:57PM

Autochange wrote: »

So what has he been doing for the past few months?
Do you not need to be fit to fight in MMA 5x5 rounds?

You don't just become fit to box in 2/3 months.

His cardiovascular capacity was shown up in the first Diaz fight but a large part of that was because he wasted a lot if energy. Less so in the second Diaz fight.

Boxing is a whole different game. That's all I'm saying. You move differently. You're more engaged. Not me that's saying this but boxers who said it was to be expected that it happened on his first foray into boxing.

Autochange · 27-08-2017 06:04PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You don't just become fit to box in 2/3 months.

His cardiovascular capacity was shown up in the first Diaz fight but a large part of that was because he wasted a lot if energy. Less so in the second Diaz fight.

Boxing is a whole different game. That's all I'm saying. You move differently. You're more engaged. Not me that's saying this but boxers who said it was to be expected that it happened on his first foray into boxing.

Im saying McGregors cardio is never good enough. My earlier post I said in my opinion he gassed vs Diaz and Mendez (who also gassed but had been called short notice)

Its McGregors MMA 'knockout power' that is seeing him through.

I understand what you are saying about energy conservation. Got the tactics all wrong possibly but either way this was always going to end with a Mayweather victory.

khabib nurmagomedov now wants MCGregor to come good on his promise on giving him a shot at his title. Khabib is one of the best wrestlers in the Ufc and will really put McGregors wrestling and cardio to the test. But thats for another day

At least McGregor had the bottle to give it a shot but he is no boxer

paleoperson · 27-08-2017 06:10PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

To me McGregor just came out swashbuckling, "I got this guys", giving it a lot of heart, and with his own enormous talent, but got absolutely crushed by the weight of decades of boxing evolution, of specific boxing techniques and talent and know-how. McGregor claims to be a "student of martial arts", but so are the best boxers since they're children, that was kind of delusional.

I admit to being a bandwagoner on this board only because of the fight, but I've watched lots of boxing documentaries with interest and clearly the art of boxing has been evolving for many decades. The champions always talk about how they learned so much from their forebearers before them and boxing has always developed. That it's a game of the mind as much as anything else, so either that's all a crock of **** or McGregor never had any hope. I even saw one former professional boxer claim that they were like "professors" before the fight, basically it was all calculated and would be against the laws of physics for McGregor to win.... unless some bizarre stars aligned and Mayweather was sick and even then, the guy won 49-0 so he's incredibly consistent.

Alf Veedersane · 27-08-2017 06:10PM

Autochange wrote: »

Im saying McGregors cardio is never good enough. My earlier post I said in my opinion he gassed vs Diaz and Mendez (who also gassed but had been called short notice)

Its McGregors MMA 'knockout power' that is seeing him through.

I understand what you are saying about energy conservation. Got the tactics all wrong possibly but either way this was always going to end with a Mayweather victory.

khabib nurmagomedov now wants MCGregor to come good on his promise on giving him a shot at his title. Khabib is one of the best wrestlers in the Ufc and will really put McGregors wrestling and cardio to the test. But thats for another day

At least McGregor had the bottle to give it a shot but he is no boxer

Conditioning for boxing is very different.

But the Mendes fight was before his cardio was shown up. I'd have hoped he'd wrestled or grappled enough in the meantime to improving his fitness and maybe it is still an issue in MMA.

I just don't think gassing last night is necessarily indicative that he hasn't worked on it.

I hope he has cos if he fights Khabib and gets into a lot of wrestling / grappling, that's very taxing

Subcomandante Marcos · 27-08-2017 06:12PM

Floyd via DQ

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Conditioning for boxing is very different.

This x 1000000

McGregor is clearly a very well conditioned man, but he's not conditioned for boxing which is a relentless pace, he's conditioned for MMA which requires a totally different type of fitness.

Lt Dan · 27-08-2017 06:13PM

Floyd via DQ

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

For the 'He won't land a punch' crowd.

And now fast forward to the rest of the fight

Autochange · 27-08-2017 06:13PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Conditioning for boxing is very different.

But the Mendes fight was before his cardio was shown up. I'd have hoped he'd wrestled or grappled enough in the meantime to improving his fitness and maybe it is still an issue in MMA.

I just don't think gassing last night is necessarily indicative that he hasn't worked on it.

I hope he has cos if he fights Khabib and gets into a lot of wrestling / grappling, that's very taxing

Ok fair enough the fact that Mayweather barely broke a sweat is an obvious indication of the different type or level of fitness nedded for boxing.

I dont think Mcgregor will take the Khabib fight either when it comes to it

Alf Veedersane · 27-08-2017 06:19PM

Autochange wrote: »

I dont think Mcgregor will take the Khabib fight either when it comes to it

It may not even come to that. It's unlikely he'll be the next opponent after pulling out of the Ferguson fight and who knows after that.

Lt Dan · 27-08-2017 06:36PM

Floyd via DQ

fernrock wrote: »

Is there any significance in the fact that RTE sent a female sports reporter who always reports on male rugby internationals to Las Vegas . While the womens rugby world cup was taking place approx 60 miles from the studio.

No. No one gives a toss about women's sports, unless it is an Irish girl AND it is a final

ThinkProgress · 27-08-2017 06:43PM

Floyd via DQ

pac_man wrote: »

High level athlete means nothing as was evident in the fight. Boxing fitness is completely different to other types of fitness.

So, beyond the entertainment spectacle of the all the pre-fight build up... what was the actual point of this mega fight? The actual bout itself?

Just so McGregor could be heaped with praise for "lasting longer than many thought he could"...?? (as seems the current narrative from most hardcore MMA fans/media)

- Doesn't have the engine to last.
- Doesn't have the skills to win on points.
- Doesn't even have one punch KO power, to get a hail mary win.

Nobody was selling us this fight, based on the idea that Conor could become a "heroic loser"... we were sold something very different than that. But the goalposts have been moved, after the fact.

If Conor ever had a realistic chance of winning this fight... and he just simply came up short, in a close fight. Then I could understand the "heroic loser" narrative... But this was never that kind of fight.

This was just a giant cash grab, where naive fans were duped into thinking the result was in question... when it never was!

The realistic people know Conor was just a sacrificial lamb... the sycophants think he is a "heroic loser"!! (but only after they realise he actually had no hope)

Lt Dan · 27-08-2017 06:47PM

Floyd via DQ

pac_man wrote: »

Not sure what the point you are trying to make.

McGregor is in serious trouble once newer fighters enter the UFC and suss him out. The current shower that he has met were clueless and some even went against their own game plan and found themselves fighting on Conor's terms ie Alvarez

He gasses out even in the MMA. Diaz is a joke of a fighter, but, he can take punishment. Slight change of McGregors decision to load up might have still taken those fights to the last round, but he may still have got his much wanted ko / tko

Regardless of the short notice, if Mendez had been smarter, he would have been far more economical with McGregor when he had McGregor on his back. Not once did he try to cover the airwaves of McGregor temporarily , perhaps him gassing out was a factor. A more composed Mendez may have been smarter then he took McGregor to the ground.

Lt Dan · 27-08-2017 06:55PM

Floyd via DQ

Autochange wrote: »

Ok fair enough the fact that Mayweather barely broke a sweat is an obvious indication of the different type or level of fitness nedded for boxing.

I dont think Mcgregor will take the Khabib fight either when it comes to it

Is Khabib still relevant? McGregor will be expected to defend his belt, Khabib, for various reasons can't seem to make weights when required. He is completely unreliable, and it is incredibly unfair to expect McGregor to spend money and time training and pre fight promotion (because, let us face it, the Western Media couldn't give a toss about Khabib and few match Conor's ability on that front) and then find out at the last minute it is off

Subcomandante Marcos · 27-08-2017 06:58PM

Floyd via DQ

Lt Dan wrote: »

Is Khabib still relevant? McGregor will be expected to defend his belt, Khabib, for various reasons can't seem to make weights when required. He is completely unreliable, and it is incredibly unfair to expect McGregor to spend money and time training and pre fight promotion (because, let us face it, the Western Media couldn't give a toss about Khabib and few match Conor's ability on that front) and then find out at the last minute it is off

It's either Khabib or Nate or he dosn't fight until after the new year.

Khabib is the #1 ranked light weight, he's absolutely relevant.

scudzilla · 27-08-2017 07:07PM

Conor via DQ

Watched the fight this morning and i honestly thought Conor would win within 3rds (as i'd said in this thread earlier), the defining moment for me was in the 2nd i think when he got him with that big uppercut, Floyd didn't budge an inch, that's when i knew it was over.

Had him down as winning the first 2 rounds, the 3rd a 50-50 but Floyd easily took the rest, reckon Floyd could have finished it a lot earlier than he did but didn't want to chance it

Thought Conor gave a great display and those people who said he wouldn't land a punch were delusional.

Will be avoiding all Conor stuff now, love him to bits in the lead up to a fight but complete and utter gobshite out of competition

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