All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

danganabu wrote: »

I think this is a very pertinent point, one of the perceived weakness in the Galway team is the lack of goals however you don't need goals to beat Waterford, with the way Waterford set up, the ability to score points from distance is what will ultimately decide your faith and right now there is no better team in the country at doing this. Waterford on the other hand are very hit and miss in this department, in their last 3 games they have hit 16, 14 and 16 wides respectively.

True; however the Leinster final was the only game (and almost unique in this sense) that Galway didn't even create a goal chance. Better finishing v Offaly and Tipp would surely have seen a green flag raised. Galway are often content to shoot from distance, I hope not to their detriment on final day.

Bluemallon wrote: »

I said wrote: »

Tipp scored goals against Waterford last year by dropping high ball in on top of tdb and cutting out the space around him to pick his man out to start Waterford attacks.Galway have enough ball winners to cause much the same problems for them,to stop WD building from the back as they did against cork in the semi.
The man in the middle Horgan will have a big bearing on this match will WD feel he can ref them fairly after tdb and will Gal think he might be to lenient for WD regarding the tdb

All these ifs and what ifs, Mcgrath will bring his proven tactic to this last and final game of 2017 his bench and if Waterford are within 2/3 points at that stage ( 50 mins approx ) I see it curtains for Galway, sorry to disappoint ye all but they will seal the win with 3/5 points to spare.

You think the Waterford bench will win the game for them???. Cant honestly see it myself.

Robson99 wrote: »

Maurice Shanahan appears to be the main go to from the bench and IMO he wouldn't be one I would be holding my breath for to get a team over the line. Just my thoughts but I think if Galway are 2 or 3 points up with 50 mins gone then they will punch holes in Waterford as they try to get back into the game.
Flynn and glynn are probably the 2 best forwards that will be on the bench and both in Galways dugout

Makes for a facinating second half then, may the best bench win.

Robson99 wrote: »

Maurice Shanahan appears to be the main go to from the bench and IMO he wouldn't be one I would be holding my breath for to get a team over the line. Just my thoughts but I think if Galway are 2 or 3 points up with 50 mins gone then they will punch holes in Waterford as they try to get back into the game.
Flynn and glynn are probably the 2 best forwards that will be on the bench and both in Galways dugout

Most people on here see Galway as the winners and don't give Waterford much of chance. Galway are deserved favourites but I think that will suit Waterford. I think Waterford will have to bring their A game to have a chance to cause an upset. On the flipside Galways performance level will have to be high. There's always a chance that either team may not perform to the maximum of their capabilities. There's many variables and a lot of it is going to come down to on the day. Finals usually take on a life of their own.

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

Most people on here see Galway as the winners and don't give Waterford much of chance. Galway are deserved favourites but I think that will suit Waterford. I think Waterford will have to bring their A game to have a chance to cause an upset. On the flipside Galways performance level will have to be high. There's always a chance that either team may not perform to the maximum of their capabilities. There's many variables and a lot of it is going to come down to on the day. Finals usually take on a life of their own.

Yeah but do you know what, that's not the feeling down here in Waterford confidence is high and we know we have every chance of completing the task at hand.

danganabu wrote: »

Daithi Burke V Brick could be massive in the outcome of this game, Burke is undoubtedly the best full back in the country (competition aint great you would have to concede) and Brick has been outstanding in his last two games.

What makes you think Brick will be playing FF. Has not played there all year, only a few minutes here and there.

Mulbert wrote: »

I think they'll win too, I think it will be graft from the first minute. I think Barron and the rest will keep running at them, tighten the midfield. I think Waterford will play to plan, nothing fancy and win with a better forward line than started out.

I don't think galway have a better bench that has been alluded to.

A ground out victory, in my opinion.

I'd be of the same opinion. Work rate and fitness and they will have to grind it out. I think Barron will be key. I think he's been our best player this year. Our wide count will need to be lower than previous games and we might need a couple of goals.

I said wrote: »

Gleason 1st appeal denied ban upheld.

What was the basis of the appeal? Or are they just chancing their arm?

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

What was the basis of the appeal? Or are they just chancing their arm?

I suppose it was a harmless enough flick. Well worth appealing in my opinion as it was reported as " striking with minimal force". Was it not that long ago that Kilkenny appealed a yellow card for Henry Shefflin. Why bother or were they just chancing their arm.

I think people dismissing Waterford's chances haven't got the first clue what they're talking about. Twice today I had people tell me Falway would win because "everyone is tipping them. Waterford can't beat them".

Nobody knows what way Galway will react when a teams throws down the gauntlet. A, let's be honest about it, disappointing Tipp team ran them seriously close in the semi and I think this Galway team struggle to handle the pressure - something Galway teams have done for the last 30 years. I think when the pressure is on, this Galway team will creak.

After being beaten by Cork in June I was praying Derek would go. It was the worst performance I've seen from a Waterford team in years and there looked to be no way back for them after it. The Cork game was priority number one for 8 long months and what was served up on the day was a joke. Throughout Derek's tenure, his biggest fault has been his inability to react to changes in play during the match. The lack of a plan B and reluctancy to make switches was glaringly obvious in almost every defeat over the last 3 years. However, since the defeat to Cork in June, to me, Eoin Murphy looks to be the reason for the change in fortunes. Changes are being made quicker and there is far more communication coming from the line out on to the field. I think Eoin has been instrumental in this and in fairness to Derek it's working well.

Waterford are coming in to this game being written off by almost everyone. Believe me when I say it the players are fully aware what people are saying about them and they're motivated by it. If you're a young fella in your 20's and you've a chance to win an All Ireland medal and give a middle finger to lazy pundits and knockers in the media while doing so, it's going to give you that little bit extra. The players know exactly what they have to do, they know what's on the line and they know they're capable of doing it.

People say Galway are going to be too good for this Waterford team and that we haven't seen the real Galway yet. I think we have seen the real Galway, we've seen it time and time again. Beating the minnows like Wexford and Offaly and struggling past a well below par Tipperary side. Believe me when I say it there's a huge performance in this Waterford team and I think we're going to see it in Croke Park on Sunday week.

Galway creaked for 10 or 15 minutes against Wexford in the Leinster Final. A half decent team would have done huge damage in that time but Wexford just couldn't as they were cooked after 60 mins. This Waterford team are peaking and I've a feeling it will all come right on the day. Waterford are a challenge that Galway won't have met in such a huge game before and I think they won't handle it.

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

They aren't going any further with the process , he has accepted the suspension

I don't think it was ever going to be overturned, but I can understand the initial appeal. It was on the lower end of the scale for red cards and it's one of those situations where there's no harm in asking the question. But really, while it wasn't particularly dangerous it was a very straightforward red card. You'll often see a ref give a yellow for it, but if you do it and get sent off you it's fair enough.

I do have an awful lot of sympathy for him though. We've all done stupid things in the heat of the moment, but paying this price for them is rare.