Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 18-08-2017 01:51PM

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

23 wins, 1 loss

Regardless of how it happened. He has lost 1 fight.
Undefeated just doesn't have the same aura around it in MMA

Rubbish .. it does have an aura and it surrounds Jon Jones and is part of why many view him as the greatest of all time. Because his loss was by DQ he can always claim he's never been beaten.

Records matter regardless of how much you try to claim they dont matter in UFC if McGregor was 24-0 it would be better. Regardless of the combat sport an unbeaten record is something to be cherished, very hard to do and maintain.

Mellor · 18-08-2017 01:52PM

Draw

the whole year inn wrote: »

Your making excuses for him, just because he was a white belt doesn't give him a pass on the loss.
The losses do have a bearing on his carrier, there on his record, and he him self came out with his mantra after the Diaz fight 'Fight and Learn' or what nonsense it was.

How am I making an excuse. I said the loss happened, and it was his fault. Saying he was a white belt is not an excuse, it's a fact. It's the reason why he lost. And where did I say it's not on his record or his carrier (what ever that is).
I think the point went over your head tbh.

Mellor · 18-08-2017 02:07PM

Draw

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Rubbish .. it does have an aura and it surrounds Jon Jones and is part of why many view him as the greatest of all time.

Jon Jones isn't undefeated though.
The fact you are saying he still has the aura surrounding him proves my point.

He's viewed as the greatest because of his ABILITY. The fact he lost once is disregarded at this point.

Records matter regardless of how much you try to claim they dont matter in UFC if McGregor was 24-0 it would be better. Regardless of the combat sport an unbeaten record is something to be cherished, very hard to do and maintain.

I said that they don't mater as much, not that they don't matter at all.

Sticking with Jones as an example. Say that fight was ruled a NC instead of a DQ (and all other fights going the same way). Jones would still be undefeated. He's be 23-0-1 instead of 23-1.

But would it affect how one should rate his ability, of course not. Same way that he shouldn't get downgraded for losing the belt.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 18-08-2017 02:35PM

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

Jon Jones isn't undefeated though.
The fact you are saying he still has the aura surrounding him proves my point.

He's viewed as the greatest because of his ABILITY. The fact he lost once is disregarded at this point.

I said that they don't mater as much, not that they don't matter at all.

Sticking with Jones as an example. Say that fight was ruled a NC instead of a DQ (and all other fights going the same way). Jones would still be undefeated. He's be 23-0-1 instead of 23-1.

But would it affect how one should rate his ability, of course not. Same way that he shouldn't get downgraded for losing the belt.

Jones has never lost a fight in the traditional sense, he's never been tapped out or knocked out or stopped. While I accept he is not "undefeated" he has never lost in the eyes of most people and is why in addition to his unquestionable talent his record also speaks volumes.

I like McGregor, I think he works hard and deserves the money he's made but he quit against Diaz and his record is tarnished because of it. If he fights Diaz a third time and losses he will damage his reputation and brand.

The beating he takes against Mayweather wont really count in the overall scheme of things for McGregor, he's going into a mismatch against a much more skilled opponent so losing is to be expected.

wonderfullife · 18-08-2017 04:38PM

Conor via KO-TKO

maximoose wrote: »

Just saw on the advert for VUE liffey valley, they say the main event will be at 7.10am - that's hardly right is it?

Main event will be circa 430am, boxing main events start much earlier.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I like McGregor, I think he works hard and deserves the money he's made but he quit against Diaz and his record is tarnished because of it.

If that's your logic, then 2 of the consensus top 3 mixed martial artists of all-times are tarnished too.

GSP was submitted by Matt Hughes.
Anderson Silva was submitted twice early in his career.

What an absolutely stupid thing to say. A submission loss doesn't mean you "quit", it means your opponent out-skilled you. Conor attempted multiple times when the fight hit the mat to get out. He tried the same guillotine escape he executed against Mendes. He battled to get out, he only tapped when the choke was in tight where there is no possible escape.

To further your ridiculous logic, boxers quit too. Many boxers retire from a contest on their stool in between rounds because they, in conjunction with their coach, feel like they've had enough punishment.

If you're saying every boxer who quits has their legacy tarnished then you'll have to add Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Vitali Klitchsko, Sonny Liston etc etc to that list because they all "quit" during fights too.

The lengths you're trying to go to diminish Conor McGregor are embarrassing.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-08-2017 10:03PM

Conor via DQ

Interesting that Conor has repeated what he said before, possibly before aldo fight "we'll see who takes the first back step"

StringerBell · 18-08-2017 10:53PM

Floyd via DQ

Yeah, and side step.......

Lets just see who gonna take the first running jump, spin and flying elbow feint though. That's the real important one to focus on.

walshb · 18-08-2017 10:54PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

For the record Ali never quit...

colly10 · 18-08-2017 11:16PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah, and side step.......

Lets just see who gonna take the first running jump, spin and flying elbow feint though. That's the real important one to focus on.

My moneys on McGregor by the peoples elbow in the 4th

marcus001 · 18-08-2017 11:53PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I watch MMA , particularly McGregor and Jones. As a whole no I wouldn't tune in to every MMA event.

I'm not talking about excuses, you and Lukker before you are giving excuses as to why McGregor lost to Diaz.

I was merely mentioning their respective records as professionals ie Mayweather and McGregor as wonder was trying to suggest Mayweather's 8 losses as an amateur should count for something.

In truth it doesn't much matter as McGregor has never won a professional boxing match and Mayweather has never lost one.

The reason being undefeated in MMA is far more impressive and rare is because there are so many more ways to lose.

There actually are excuses for why he lost. He was overweight, unprepared and overconfident. That's not to say it wasn't his fault. These are mistakes he has obviously learned from since.

Rayne Wooney · 19-08-2017 02:32AM

Been trying to stay away from the hype of this but when I saw McGregor at 11/4 earlier I had to come on and read this thread to make sure Mayweathwer hadn't lost a leg.

gilmour · 19-08-2017 02:49AM

Floyd via DQ

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Been trying to stay away from the hype of this but when I saw McGregor at 11/4 earlier I had to come on and read this thread to make sure Mayweathwer hadn't lost a leg.

I'm not a gambler whatsoever but i know that the big hitters come in on fight day and pile on Mayweather. But surely the current odds arent going to get any better for them? Like just how far can this madness get before this time next week

Eyes Down Field · 19-08-2017 04:00AM

Floyd via DQ

Just bought the fight on sky sports box office.
As someone who has followed Mayeather since 2007, I feel Ihave to watch his last fight properly, no messing with unreliable, low quality streams.

With 1 week to go. My prediction is Mayeather buy KO/TKO, inside 5 rounds.

wonderfullife · 19-08-2017 04:02AM

Conor via KO-TKO

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Interesting that Conor has repeated what he said before, possibly before aldo fight "we'll see who takes the first back step"

It was during the ref introductions against Chad Mendes... Herb Dean couldn't get a word in edgeways Conor was demonic. (For the record I think he'll be far more calculated against Floyd so I'm not overly worried).

walshb wrote: »

For the record Ali never quit...

He wasn't exactly protesting when Angelo Dundee called the fight off against Larry Holmes while he was sitting on his stool. It was in consultation with Muhammad. I just wish Angelo pulled him out of more fights.

And I agree it's not quitting, in the same way that Conor never quit.

It's ridiculous to argue any mixed martial artist who taps or any boxer who retires on his stool is quitting. Even Roberto Duran didn't quit against Sugar Ray Leonard in my view.

Quitting implies no heart, nobody is going to tell me Roberto Duran had no heart. As for Conor, he showed the heart of a lion in the 4th round of the Diaz rematch when the tide was firmly against him he came out and fought the round of his life.

This fight won't be a TKO, if there's a stoppage it'll be because one out of two proud men is asleep on the floor hearing a 10-count.

Mellor · 19-08-2017 05:16AM

Draw

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Jones has never lost a fight in the traditional sense, he's never been tapped out or knocked out or stopped. While I accept he is not "undefeated" he has never lost in the eyes of most people and is why in addition to his unquestionable talent his record also speaks volumes.

I'm obviously aware of how he lost. But the fact is he lost. He is no longer an undefeated fighter.
But nobody cares. That's my point.
He gets goat status on ability regardless of his imperfect record. If he was 24-0 due to different ref, he have an extra record. But he'd be perceived exactly the same in terms of GOAT status. You're actually kinda making my point.
That loss literal charges nothing about the perception of him as the GOAT.

On the other hand, have honestly you ever heard of Vitaly Minakov?

StringerBell · 19-08-2017 09:10AM

Floyd via DQ

On the surface of it Jones is no longer an undefeated fighter, this is true.

But you don't need to scratch the surface too much to know that Jones has never been beaten by another man. This does hold weight to be honest, it goes in to the books as a loss via DQ, it is different to a loss on points, submission, ko etc.

It is an odd one, he is undefeated by any opponent, yet has a defeat on his record. I agree anyway that a loss or two in MMA does not have the same significance as boxing, so many ways to lose a bout at any moment. The Jones one is just a curiosity due to the circumstance.

For the record actually, a defeat in boxing is no big deal to me either, I hold boxers who have defeats on their record in higher esteem then I do Mr 49-0 and I know I am far from alone in that.

walshb · 19-08-2017 10:26AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Best to do it via their website...

https://my.sky.com/orderboxoffice/

Eyes Down Field · 19-08-2017 10:26AM

Floyd via DQ

Go to the website

Eyes Down Field · 19-08-2017 10:29AM

Floyd via DQ

All Access Episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kRZuwPDTCg

hbhook · 19-08-2017 11:37AM

Floyd via DQ

Silly comment time. I think Mc should've rented another car. You know, just to show that if he gets a puncture on his Ferrari he has the option...
I also have a club like Mayweather but it's on the opposite end of the spectrum. . It's called 'The Broke Club'.

walshb · 19-08-2017 11:40AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

The episode would have been half enjoyable had that fooking prat, James Corden not shown up.

Call Me Jimmy · 19-08-2017 12:28PM

walshb wrote: »

The episode would have been half enjoyable had that fooking prat, James Corden not shown up.

Been stealing a living off david brent his whole career, he's a hack

J0E_90 · 19-08-2017 12:59PM

Did a short interview with the Irish Intermediate welterweight champion about the fight, may be of interest to you all

http://www.irish-boxing.com/irish-intermediate-champion-conor-mcgregor-wouldnt-beat-me/

Mellor · 19-08-2017 01:43PM

Draw

StringerBell wrote: »

For the record actually, a defeat in boxing is no big deal to me either, I hold boxers who have defeats on their record in higher esteem then I do Mr 49-0 and I know I am far from alone in that.

I agree its not actually a big deal. 49-0 is fantastic, but it doesnt make him the GOAT imo. Yet it's the record*.

* Well, it's a record.
There are longer undefeated streaks, even an undefeated boxer or two with more wins.

pirlo80 · 19-08-2017 08:51PM

Floyd via DQ

Another little odds update - MW by Stoppage or DQ is now even money on betfair.

Im gonna stick a ton on it and 20 on rounds 4-6

You guys would do well to do the same ;-)

normanoffside · 19-08-2017 10:01PM

Floyd via DQ

pirlo80 wrote: »

Another little odds update - MW by Stoppage or DQ is now even money on betfair.

I'm still seeing 8/11

If it hits evens I've got a grand ready

IronStones · 19-08-2017 10:03PM

Lads can you order the PPV on sky online and then watch on on an official sky online stream?

pirlo80 · 19-08-2017 10:09PM

Floyd via DQ

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm still seeing 8/11
If it hits evens I've got a grand ready

On the exchange mate - dont use the sportsbook, exchange is so much better value - its gone back to 10/11 but it'll come out again when the clueless keep piling in on fight week

normanoffside · 19-08-2017 10:24PM

Floyd via DQ

pirlo80 wrote: »

On the exchange mate - dont use the sportsbook, exchange is so much better value - its gone back to 10/11 but it'll come out again when the clueless keep piling in on fight week

I'm still pretty sure the sportsbooks will come in close to evens, a;ready 3/4 on Boyles. Wont get a big lump on in the exchanges. I already have €500 on Floyd by TKO at 11/4 but would like to cover the DQ/KO options

pirlo80 · 19-08-2017 10:41PM

Floyd via DQ

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm still pretty sure the sportsbooks will come in close to evens, a;ready 3/4 on Boyles. Wont get a big lump on in the exchanges. I already have €500 on Floyd by TKO at 11/4 but would like to cover the DQ/KO options

11/4 is a great price did you get that early doors ?

I was initially thinking 7 or 8 but the closer it gets I think it'll be earlier

Anyone that thinks Conor has a chance in hell watch this analysis of his second fight with nate - note the basic striking and footwork errors, leaning in with the jab, his balance/lack of when throwing shots, and most importantly how open he is - before you say this is MMA not boxing, Im referring to his stand up and punches only, not his kicks etc. You cannot correct the errors he shows here in months - if even years at this stage of his career, these mistakes are ingrained in his style and cant be changed.

It all adds up to one thing, a Floyd stoppage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tZwU9skqI

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