ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Gatling · 18-08-2017 05:24PM

end of the road wrote: »

the borders are all ready closed to illegal immigrants.

Not even close just have to see the numberous reports off illegal immigrants landing on dingys on Spanish beaches , along with the naval taxi services currently operating in the Med.

o1s1n · 18-08-2017 05:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

No it's a simple transport plane ,

Wasn't one spotted in Shannon with a cannon on the side?

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:25PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Is that directed at me or the other guy?

The other guy, unless you you think we deserve to be attacked by terrorists because we don't have permission from isis to be friendly with America and Britain too.

timthumbni · 18-08-2017 05:26PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:...no they're not.

You know that boatload that rolled up on the Spanish beach last week. All legit, passports stamped and visas sorted beforehand.

Oh and they were all doctors and scientists to quote an earlier poster......

Move on... nothing to see here......

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 05:27PM

timthumbni wrote: »

You know that boatload that rolled up on the Spanish beach last week. All legit, passports stamped and visas sorted beforehand.

Oh and they were all doctors and scientists to quote an earlier poster......

Move on... nothing to see here......

But but but they got hooman rites maaan!!

timthumbni · 18-08-2017 05:27PM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

The driver of the Barcelona attack van is one of the five men shot dead in Cambrils, according to Spanish media.

Good.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:27PM

Gravelly wrote: »

The other guy, unless you you think we deserve to be attacked by terrorists because we don't have permission from isis to be friendly with America and Britain too.

I never said that and your weird fantasy is all you.

Gatling · 18-08-2017 05:28PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Wasn't one spotted in Shannon with a cannon on the side?

Supposedly a local Garda clamied to have saw and armed aircraft that was never found as far as I know ,

Could have seen a refuel probe or tank of some kind.

And an RAF aircraft landed without permission too recently

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:33PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I never said that and your weird fantasy is all you.

Among the many and varied nonsensical statements you've made (including claiming that Ireland isn't neutral, and isis haven't taken over any territory) was this recent humdinger:

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

So we not allied or friendly to American and England interests? Are you trying to say we are completely neutral?

Barry Badrinath · 18-08-2017 05:33PM

Gravelly wrote: »

The other guy, unless you you think we deserve to be attacked by terrorists because we don't have permission from isis to be friendly with America and Britain too.

Good man.

I sure dont believe we deserve to be attacked but cant rule it out.

From an ISIS perspective, they dont give a ballbag if we are allied with the US or UK.

We are geographically part of western civilisation. Thats enough for those donkeys, never mind anything else.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:34PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Good man.

I sure dont believe we deserve to be attacked but cant rule it out.

From an ISIS perspective, they dont give a ballbag if we are allied with the US or UK.

We are geographically part of western civilisation. Thats enough for those donkeys, never mind anything else.

That we can agree on.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 05:36PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Perhaps you should read back your posts to jog your memory. What comes across is that your primary, if not sole concern, is for the rights of the terrorists. If that's not what you are aiming for, perhaps make it clearer, because that's certainly how it's coming across to me and others.

if that's the case then you need to re-read. his posts are clear and they come across as nothing of the sort that you claim.

reasoned argument slaughters snowflakes wrote: »

Fundamentally, the only real solution is to remove these people from europe and then close and defend our borders. Multiculturalism hasn't worked out anywhere it has been tried.

remove who? the best you can do is to remove all extremists who are not citizens of european countries but anything else is impossible and way to costly.

Gravelly wrote: »

We all know what you meant, that's the problem.

it's not a problem at all. what you think he meant which he didn't mean is a problem however as it shows you have no comprehension skills.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yep close the borders start prosecuting the NGO's who are a taxi service for those economic migrants. Tow any boats back to Tripoli! Get that Irish navy ship back to what it is supposed to be doing patrolling our waters!
Internment for all Muslims that come on intelligence service radar as persons of interest! Mosques to be raided and closed if Imans preach hate or if any terrorists attended on a regular basis! The wearing of Burkas to be outlawed in public!
The above will go some way to removing the constant threat to Europe and save innocent lives so we don't have to see videos of dead children on main streets in major European cities nearly every month!

can't be done. closing the borders isn't cost effective. the NGOS can't be prosecuted as they have done nothing wrong. we have ships patroling our waters. internment is against one's human rights and is against democracy and is open to rife abuse. banning the wearing of birqas is not cost effective to enforce and has no merrit. The above won't go any way to removing the constant threat to Europe and save innocent lives so we don't have to see videos of dead children on main streets in major European cities

Barry Badrinath · 18-08-2017 05:39PM

Gravelly wrote: »

That we can agree on.

We agree on border controls.

I just like to point out the "what if's" and possible reactions to decisions.

Decisions, no matter how necessery, will always yield reactions. Its better to take these potential reactions into consideration whilst enforcing decisions.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:39PM

end of the road wrote: »

if that's the case then you need to re-read. his posts are clear and they come across as nothing of the sort that you claim.

remove who? the best you can do is to remove all extremists who are not citizens of european countries but anything else is impossible and way to costly.

it's not a problem at all. what you think he meant which he didn't mean is a problem however as it shows you have no comprehension skills.

can't be done. closing the borders isn't cost effective. the NGOS can't be prosecuted as they have done nothing wrong. we have ships patroling our waters. internment is against one's human rights and is against democracy and is open to rife abuse. the wearing of birqas is not cost effective to enforce and has no merrit. The above won't go any way to removing the constant threat to Europe and save innocent lives so we don't have to see videos of dead children on main streets in major European cities

Are you his mother?

sink · 18-08-2017 05:39PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Beards. Check the guys with beards. And the guys wearing islamic clothing. And the guys who've been to Morocco, Libya, etc. Wearing a backpack and a beard - "can I just check your backpack there sir".

Alienating the community? Tough ****, if the community doesn't want to be alienated, start reporting the mosques where terrorism is being preached. Start getting out in the streets in the thousands after every attack screaming "not in my name" Start alienating those who treat women like chattels. Start making it look like you don't think the unbelievers deserve their fate.

I have a beard, look at the photo of the guy they're currently hunting, no beard. It's stupid stereotype generalizations like that, which make racial profiling dragnet style police operations completely useless. It just ties up police resources chasing down the wrong people when the actual perpetrators can sidestep them easily by shaving or some other simple misdirection.

In the USA, that type of dragnet police action against gangs led to a lot of arrests for pretty crimes like holding a weapon or small quantities of drugs. Meanwhile the gang problem kept getting worse and worse. A lot of non violent normal people got caught up in it and sent to prison for lengthy sentences. When they got out they could no longer get a job because of their criminal records and so crime was the only avenue left open to them. The dragnet police operations actually worsened the situation.

If it actually worked I would be for it, but it doesn't and so i'm not. I'm not some bleeding heart, I have no qualms about cracking a few heads if it works, but you need to crack the right heads and not some innocuous bystanders.

I would be for more targeted action, that targets specific traits of radical Islamism as opposed to Islam itself or brown people in general. For instance, foreign governments and people should be banned from funding Mosques and all religion in general (I would include Christians in this too), it's basically allowing foreign propaganda. If Muslims in Europe want to practice their faith they can fund it themselves. Severing European Islam from despotic Islamic regimes would go along way to encouraging a more moderate westernized Islam to prevail.

I would be for banning advocating sharia law, the subjugation of women and the persecution of gays and other such oppressive beliefs. People who direct espouse and promote those beliefs should be imprisoned and deported were possible. At the moment they're protected under the guise of freedom of speech, but that is a con, it is not necessary to protect a persons right to promote direct oppression based on race, religion, gender and sexuality, in order to allow freedom of political and religious thought in all other areas. We can and should separate out promoting persecution (based on race, religion, gender and sexuality) from lawful speech just as we have separated out promoting violence.

With those laws in place it would make it a lot easier to lock up and deport dangerous individuals in a targeted manner without innocuous/innocent bystanders being caught in the net and making matters worse.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 05:39PM

end of the road wrote: »

the borders are all ready closed.

end of the road wrote: »

closing the borders isn't cost effective

stop with your deflection,arguing every point with bs excuses.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:40PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

We agree on border controls.

I just like to point out the "what if's" and possible reactions to decisions.

Decisions, no matter how necessery, will always yield reactions. Its better to take these potential reactions into consideration whilst enforcing decisions.

As long as the decisions aren't based solely on the reaction (as seems to be the case presently) I don't have a problem with that. Otherwise we're just being blackmailed.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-08-2017 05:52PM

Ireland has never really taken it's own security seriously.

I don't see why people would expect it to happen now.

I'm one of those who sees a similar attack invetitable in Dublin and sadly it's going to bring in to the sharpest focus how docile we are when it come to basic protection.

We don't have a police force worthy of the name, hamstrung by a Judiciary that has people walking the streets with 100 + convictions and a defence force hopelessy under resourced and demoralised. How many ambulances are available in Dublin at any one time?

Yet we are suppose to believe our system is remotely capable of reacting to an Islamist attack?

I don't, i'd imagine most agree.

Barry Badrinath · 18-08-2017 06:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ireland has never really taken it's own security seriously.

I don't see why people would expect it to happen now.

I'm one of those who sees a similar attack invetitable in Dublin and sadly it's going to bring in to the sharpest focus how docile we are when it come to basic protection.

We don't have a police force worthy of the name, hamstrung by a Judiciary that has people walking the streets with 100 + convictions and a defence force hopelessy under resourced and demoralised. How many ambulances are available in Dublin at any one time?

Yet we are suppose to believe our system is remotely capable of reacting to an Islamist attack?

I don't, i'd imagine most agree.

I agree that there is potential for an attack in Ireland.

I can tell you that the security and emergency services take it seriously too.

You are correct though, at a political level, the ignorance is astounding! Nobody wants to hear the potential for an attack but a day will come when the head will come out of the sand.

Thats when it will be too late and the policy makers will point the finger at the security services who have been shouting this and been continuously stifiled.

timthumbni · 18-08-2017 06:06PM

I'm somewhat surprised that some on here aren't complaining about the shoot to kill policy of the Spanish police killing those 5 terrorists in Cambrils. Couldn't they have arrested them etc etc.....

Apparently one of the Spanish cops killed 4 of them. Well done that man especially.....

Rezident · 18-08-2017 06:12PM

Only a matter of time before Islamists plough down Grafton st. in a truck. Theyre probably already planning it. Muhammad was the fastest growing name in ireland. Hope to see bollards like london on grafton st. soon. What is wrong with Islam?

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 06:16PM

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm somewhat surprised that some on here aren't complaining about the shoot to kill policy of the Spanish police killing those 5 terrorists in Cambrils. Couldn't they have arrested them etc etc.....

Apparently one of the Spanish cops killed 4 of them. Well done that man especially.....

I think the police did well, exceptionally well in this case in neutralizing a threat, but we shouldn't be advocating for shoot first questions later either. In some cases enough pressure on the captured criminals in custody could help root out cells.

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 06:16PM

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm somewhat surprised that some on here aren't complaining about the shoot to kill policy of the Spanish police killing those 5 terrorists in Cambrils. Couldn't they have arrested them etc etc.....

Apparently one of the Spanish cops killed 4 of them. Well done that man especially.....

I could be one of the people you are talking about.

Again you are misreading posts and twisting their wording to suit an argument.

The Spanish police have done an excellent job on this. Reacted fast in Barcelona yesterday, secured the area.

Killing the terrorists last night in Cambrils was the right thing to do as those people were intent on killing innocent people and stopping them has definitely saved lives.

The point that some are trying to make is that people should not over react and just pass laws that mean that all immigrants from outside Europe are Islamic Terrorists.

We should also not forget that we are democracies that hold up certain values and those values were attacked yesterday and we should defend them. So we should maintain our laws that guarantee certain rights.

So locking up thousands of innocent people as proposed here by many is not the right answer.

Leaving desperate people fleeing wars to die in the Mediterranean Sea is not the right answer.
Expelling all muslim immigrants is not the answer.

This does not mean we should go soft on terrorists or not secure our borders but we should learn from history that those solutions do not work and only create more enemies and we should find another way.

Mutant z · 18-08-2017 06:17PM

This medieval ideology has no place in a civilised society.

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 06:18PM

Mutant z wrote: »

This medieval ideology has no place in a civilised society.

Do you mean the Catholic Church? Agree totally but they are still here and people support them.

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-08-2017 06:20PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

But but but they got hooman rites maaan!!

Pity he didn't say that back where he came from.

pjohnson · 18-08-2017 06:21PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Do you mean the Catholic Church? Agree totally but they are still here and people support them.

Are ISIS catholics?

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 06:24PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Are ISIS catholics?

Nobody said ISIS.

ISIS are not really the problem. They are not a proper organisation anymore with no real structure.

Just claim every incident nowadays as if it is their doing.

The attackers yesterday are radicalised extremists using religion as an excuse to carry out their sick attacks. Simple as that.

18-08-2017 06:24PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Are ISIS catholics?

Does ISIS sh1t in the woods?

Yes. They are bears. Sexy, sexy beardy bears.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 06:25PM

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm somewhat surprised that some on here aren't complaining about the shoot to kill policy of the Spanish police killing those 5 terrorists in Cambrils. Couldn't they have arrested them etc etc.....

you are the only one surprised. it was clear it wasn't feasible to arrest them. if it was, then that is what would have been done.

timthumbni wrote: »

Apparently one of the Spanish cops killed 4 of them. Well done that man especially.....

it's his job. not well done for doing what he is paid for, it's what he is obligated to, expected to, and paid to do.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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