ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 04:55PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ireland is allied with America and the Uk. So we are involved, even if we don't like it.

Are we? I thought we were neutral.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 04:56PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Isis can't do ****, if Muslim people don't support it. There is never going to be a takeover of countries.

Islam can take over countries ISIS only has to get the ball rolling...think of ISIS as the front line...theyre already causing friction between the west and good honest Muslims by carrying out these attacks...its all part of their plan...divide an conquer

ligerdub · 18-08-2017 04:56PM

kunst nugget wrote:

Hardly the 'meh, shÃt happens sometimes in big cities' attitude that people portray him as having.

That's fair enough. I don't doubt that he is at least trying to do something about it (as much as his position permits - he's the mayor, not the PM)......but his comments on that score suggest a defeatist attitude and it's part of the deal.......well it's certainly not true in many places across the world, big cities included.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 04:56PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Isis can't do ****, if Muslim people don't support it. There is never going to be a takeover of countries.

Ehhhhh.......

I take it you missed the whole bit where Isis took over a large part of two countries and had to be beaten back by the evil imperialist westerners.

EagererBeaver · 18-08-2017 04:57PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ireland is allied with America and the Uk. So we are involved, even if we don't like it.

Come again?

Barry Badrinath · 18-08-2017 04:57PM

Gravelly wrote: »

It's not my comprehension skills that are the problem here.

I'll ask again. Read it slowly this time before going off on one.

Are you trying to say, like the previous poster was, that we can't close our borders because it will "antagonise" the muslims already here?

If so, what form do you believe this "antagonism" would take?

Look, I don't want to be nasty but i'm sure anyone else that read my post could understand what I said.

Perhaps, you need to read my posts again. So respectfully, your comprehension is an issue. Feel free to report this post and request a Mod review.

Read my post without twisting it for an argument and then you will undertand.

I never mentioned we 'cant' or 'shouldnt' close the borders.

I simply said, IF we close the borders to Muslim folk, it is REASONABLE to SUGGEST that the current native Muslim poplulation may get antagonised.

On a wider scale this could mean disinfranchisement and escalation and radicalisation.

I also stated that we need to prempt tbis scenario happening before borders are closed.

Once again, for you in simpler terms. THIS COULD MAKE THINGS WORSE. Thats NOT to say it should NOT be done.

I cant make it any clearer to you.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 04:58PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Are we? I thought we were neutral.

We are listed by Isis as an enemy. Neutral in regards to Nato you mean?

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:00PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Look, I don't want to be nasty but i'm sure anyone else that read my post could understand what I said.

Perhaps, you need to read my posts again. So respectfully, your comprehension is an issue. Feel free to report this post and request a Mod review.

Read my post without twisting it for an argument and then you will undertand.

I never mentioned we 'cant' or 'shouldnt' close the borders.

I simply said, IF we close the borders to Muslim folk, it is REASONABLE to SUGGEST that the current native Muslim poplulation may get antagonised.

On a wider scale this could mean disinfranchisement and escalation and radicalisation.

I also stated that we need to prempt tbis scenario happening before borders are closed.

Once again, for you in simpler terms. THIS COULD MAKE THINGS WORSE. Thats NOT to say it should NOT be done.

I cant make it any clearer to you.

Ah, you're a funny one. Brilliant, I was actually starting to think all that distress was genuine and you just didn't realise what you were writing. Gas man.

kunst nugget · 18-08-2017 05:01PM

ligerdub wrote: »

That's fair enough. I don't doubt that he is at least trying to do something about it (as much as his position permits - he's the mayor, not the PM)......but his comments on that score suggest a defeatist attitude and it's part of the deal.......well it's certainly not true in many places across the world, big cities included.

I don't think there's any defeatist in what he says, he's being a realist and making sure that the city has the capabilities to deal with whatever comes its way. I would have thought that a much better attitude than sticking his head in the sand and hoping nothing happens on his watch.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:01PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Ehhhhh.......

I take it you missed the whole bit where Isis took over a large part of two countries and had to be beaten back by the evil imperialist westerners.

Isis took land areas inside Syria and Iraq, they never controlled those countries. I referring to the fear Isis could takeover European countries. Never going to happen, when Isis support is not big when you look at the overall world Muslim population.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:01PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We are listed by Isis as an enemy. Neutral in regards to Nato you mean?

Jaysus. :rolleyes:

You make the other lad look like a genius.

So were allied to America and Britain because Isis say so?

end of the road · 18-08-2017 05:04PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

The problem with immigration to europe is thats its fuelling the radicalisation and also helping in the recruitment to terror.More muslims,more recruits.
Less muslims,less terror.

nope, wrong, it doesn't work like that.

Aristotle145 wrote: »

Any terrorist attacks in warzawa or Budapest?nope,reason being?no muslims.
Even a genius like you should understand that.

except there are muslims in those cities. so your point is invalid.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

And?

We are inching closer to total war. They'll have to pick sides anyway.

we are not inching anywhere near total war. apart from in your head or in whatever video game you are playing.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 05:08PM

Gravelly wrote: »

My comment is based on the fact that you seem to be considerably more concerned that a potential terrorist may have their feelings hurt that you are about actual people getting killed.

nope, you are imagining things and making up stuff again. we are concerned about things that are against human rights, and which would be used against innocent people including me or you should a rogue government ever get into power.

Gravelly wrote: »

You have spent pages and pages of this thread trying to obfuscate, deflect, and derail any discussion on how to prevent further attacks, and what the real cause of the attacks is.

never happened.

Gravelly wrote: »

You dress it up in a concern for human rights, but it is a poor enough disguise.

it really isn't. he isn't dressing anything up as anything, and the concern about human rights is justified.

Gravelly wrote: »

You post above is another example of it - you know a thousand ways we can't do things because we might upset a terrorist or two,

it's an example of nothing of the sort. the reason we can't do the extremist suggestions is they are against human rights and can be turned on us.

Gravelly wrote: »

but you show no empathy or concern for those already killed and the many that will be killed over the next few months and years.

wrong. we actually have the empathy. it's you and others using the deaths of people for your agenda who don't actually care.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:09PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Jaysus. :rolleyes:

You make the other lad look like a genius.

So were allied to America and Britain because Isis say so?

So we not allied or friendly to American and England interests? Are you trying to say we are completely neutral? We did not allow American warplanes to land and refuel here? I don't agree with Isis and their beliefs, but it's nonsense to say we have not picked a side. If its a fight against Isis i be more happy if Ireland did pick a side! When it's about invading a country for geopolitical and economic reasons and only benefit is business people are now richer, i am against that.

ligerdub · 18-08-2017 05:11PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote:

I simply said, IF we close the borders to Muslim folk, it is REASONABLE to SUGGEST that the current native Muslim poplulation may get antagonised.

Depends on their perspective. I'd imagine that there is a reasonable percentages of muslims who moved here years ago and have gone about their business without a bother since they've got here. I'm sure the majority of those people want that to continue.

For selfish reasons some of them might agree with tighter controls (don't throw me in with the violent lot sort of thought process - a fair one). They need to be considered too.

There is something sinister going on, and some shady characters are taking advantage of a world increasingly seeking to show its soft side and embrace a real life version of a Benetton advert. They want to bring mayhem to the streets. It's not beyond the realms of common sense to play a prudent policy of keeping your door closed until you're fully aware of what's coming in.

There is a refugee issue right enough, but surely there are countries in the middle east which aren't torn apart by war and represents their nearest form of refuge.

Why is it that people want refugees to move to places like the UK & Ireland?

Thousands of miles away from home, a culture, food, language and weather which might not be to their liking.

Gatling · 18-08-2017 05:11PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

So we not allied or friendly to American and England interests? Are you trying to say we are completely neutral? We did not allow American warplanes to land and refuel here?

Is there any country were not allied or friendly with .
And No we did not allow any war planes to and or refuel here

ligerdub · 18-08-2017 05:12PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote:

I simply said, IF we close the borders to Muslim folk, it is REASONABLE to SUGGEST that the current native Muslim poplulation may get antagonised.

Depends on their perspective. I'd imagine that there is a reasonable percentage of muslims who moved here years ago and have gone about their business without a bother since they've got here. I'm sure the majority of those people want that to continue.

For selfish reasons some of them might agree with tighter controls (don't throw me in with the violent lot sort of thought process - a fair one). They need to be considered too.

There is something sinister going on, and some shady characters are taking advantage of a world increasingly seeking to show its soft side and embrace a real life version of a Benetton advert. They want to bring mayhem to the streets. It's not beyond the realms of common sense to play a prudent policy of keeping your door closed until you're fully aware of what's coming in.

There is a refugee issue right enough, but surely there are countries in the middle east which aren't torn apart by war and represents their nearest form of refuge.

Why is it that people want refugees to move to places like the UK & Ireland?

Thousands of miles away from home, a culture, food, language and weather which might not be to their liking.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 05:12PM

end of the road wrote: »

nope, wrong, it doesn't work like that.

except there are muslims in those cities. so your point is invalid.

.

Please tell me how it works.

Not enough muslims to recruit from,poland have 6-8 ISIL recruits,
Spain 250,Finland 85,Germany 760,you see a pattern?

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

nope, you are imagining things and making up stuff again. we are concerned about things that are against human rights, and which would be used against innocent people including me or you should a rogue government ever get into power.

We? There's an awful lot of this "we" going around.

Gravelly · 18-08-2017 05:15PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

So we not allied or friendly to American and England interests? Are you trying to say we are completely neutral? We did not allow American warplanes to land and refuel here? I don't agree with Isis and their beliefs, but it's nonsense to say we have not picked a side. If its a fight against Isis i be more happy if Ireland did pick a side! When it's about invading a country for geopolitical and economic reasons and only benefit is business people are now richer, i am against that.

So we have to pick who we are friendly with based on whether it antagonises Isis or not? You are starting to sound like the "we can't control our borders because the muslims will get angry" guy.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:16PM

Gatling wrote: »

Is there any country were not allied or friendly with .
And No we did not allow any war planes to and or refuel here

http://www.shannonwatch.org/page/military-use-shannon-airport

Gatling · 18-08-2017 05:17PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

http://www.shannonwatch.org/page/military-use-shannon-airport

Sorry no war planes unfortunately there

"US troops passing through Shannon are on board flights that are classified as "civilian".

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:17PM

Gravelly wrote: »

So we have to pick who we are friendly with based on whether it antagonises Isis or not? You are starting to sound like the "we can't control our borders because the muslims will get angry" guy.

There is thing called 'right and wrong' read up about it sometime.

end of the road · 18-08-2017 05:17PM

timthumbni wrote: »

we are getting royally ****ed by trying to be pc.

we aren't being ridden and we aren't trying to be mythical pc.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

How do you see Europe in 20 years time?

well it won't be along the lines of the imaginary guff spouted in this thread that's for sure.

gitzy16v wrote: »

Right...
But its not a selective closing of borders to Muslims...its a total closure of borders to illegal migrants.

the borders are all ready closed to illegal immigrants.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:20PM

Gatling wrote: »

Sorry no war planes unfortunately there

"US troops passing through Shannon are on board flights that are classified as "civilian".

Navy C-130 Hercules transport is a war plane.

Gatling · 18-08-2017 05:20PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Navy C-130 Hercules transport is a war plane.

No it's a simple transport plane ,

Barry Badrinath · 18-08-2017 05:21PM

Gravelly wrote: »

So we have to pick who we are friendly with based on whether it antagonises Isis or not? You are starting to sound like the "we can't control our borders because the muslims will get angry" guy.

Is that directed at me or the other guy?

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 05:21PM

end of the road wrote: »

the borders are all ready closed to illegal immigrants.

:pac::pac::pac:...no they're not.

Cheerful Spring · 18-08-2017 05:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

No it's a simple transport plane ,

The Lockheed C-130 Hercules is a four-engine turboprop military transport aircraft designed and built originally by Lockheed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

Continue to embarrass yourself i am used to it by now from you.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 05:24PM

The driver of the Barcelona attack van is one of the five men shot dead in Cambrils, according to Spanish media.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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