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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

    You sound like just the sort of go getter that isis might want to recruit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    I'm heading to Spain on Tuesday for a holiday. People are telling me not to go now. If I don't go I let these bastards win. I'm not gonna change my holiday plans because of these scum, that's exactly what they want. They try and win with fear..

    I live in Barcelona. I might emigrate.

    The people telling you not to go are idiots. Go. Enjoy yourself. If it's Barcelona you're going to, it's a fantastic city. Make the most of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    If you want to stop it then you should go to:
    Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi
    1 Isis Road
    Ar-Raqqa
    Syria


    Otherwise pipe-down

    Seriously, do people in this country not study the history of this island at all. What did internment and torture do in the North except lead to a massive increase in violence and exacerbated sectarian tensions. Many of the 'suspects' that were arrested and tortured turned out to have no connection with paramilitaries at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Where was this said?

    Read through the thread it's full of xenophobic language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Who said this now? Did the whole thread agree on it?

    Did the whole thread agree on it? No, nor did I claim it did. My post says "some people". As for who advocated it, maybe you missed this particular gem:
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Have a friend with their family in Cambriles staying at a hotel literally 300 metres from where the attack happened. They heard the gunshots from the hotel balcony last night after they had returned from a bar and restaurant in the area. They are all fairly shook up at the thought of what may well have happened.

    If these guys eventually get their hands on high grade explosives Europe is going to have become a fortress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Seriously, do people in this country not study the history of this island at all. What did internment and torture do in the North except lead to a massive increase in violence and exacerbated sectarian tensions. Many of the 'suspects' that were arrested and tortured turned out to have no connection with paramilitaries at all.

    Massive difference and you know that. The nationalist community were indigenous and 40% of the population.

    This shower are about 5%, non indigenous and if they don't like, they can go to a safe country like Syria or Iraq. Win-Win.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Read through the thread it's full of xenophobic language.

    That's terrible. All those poor people who get killed every year by xenophobic comments on Boards. It's a tragedy so it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Massive difference and you know that. The nationalist community were indigenous and 40% of the population.

    This shower are about 5%, non indigenous and if they don't like, they can go to a safe country like Syria or Iraq. Win-Win.

    By this logic we can tell unionists go home to Britain/England

    (if these attackers turn out like the Paris attackers and have European passports?)


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  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see we're at the stage of the thread where the IRA are analogous to ISIS again. Where does the time go!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    When are we finally going to see those millions of peaceful Muslims take to the streets and protest "Not in My Name"?

    In fairness, the Imam of the mosque in Blanchardstown tried to do this. One of his followers got the absolute tar beaten out of him for handing out leaflets about it in the Clonskeagh mosque, who's head is Mr Halawa Snr. Who's son our govt and amnesty international want "home", guilty or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    By this logic we can tell unionists go home to Britain/England

    (if these attackers turn out like the Paris attackers and have European passports?)

    So a Unionist with 300 years of family history in the north is the equivalent of a Moroccan who got a passport last year? You should go up to the Shankill Road and tell them that, I'm sure they'll enter into a polite discussion with you about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Did the whole thread agree on it? No, nor did I claim it did. My post says "some people". As for who advocated it, maybe you missed this particular gem:

    You said "the state of this thread" and then went on to distort the facts of one post that nobody agreed with.

    "This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members"

    Maybe you missed that bit?
    Nobody said anything about torturing people suspected to having ties with ISIS like you said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    You hero? Typical snide remark from AH. You can't even make a point on this site anymore without anyone passing a smart arsed comment.

    Your "point" was pointless.

    Thanks for not cancelling your holiday, as Nettle Soup said you're a hero...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Gravelly wrote: »
    So a Unionist with 300 years of family history in the north is the equivalent of a Moroccan who got a passport last year? You should go up to the Shankill Road and tell them that, I'm sure they'll enter into a polite discussion with you about it.


    Buzzard conclusion ??



    If people are allowed to tell Muslims go to where they fit best....shouldn't unionists??
    Simple yes or no answer???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    You said "the state of this thread" and then went on to distort the facts of one post that nobody agreed with.

    "This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members"

    Do ISIS members carry membership cards? We should also burn witches while we're at it

    Also be wary of governments or administrations who use anger, fear and hatred to bring in draconian laws to control the threat and in turn the populace...we have seen it before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Buzzard conclusion ??



    If people are allowed to tell Muslims go to where they fit best....shouldn't unionists??
    Simple yes or no answer???

    You're a piece of work aren't you? Set up a false equivalence and then try to bully posters into taking a position on it so you can "prove" some point in your own head. Get out of it ya chancer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In fairness, the Imam of the mosque in Blanchardstown tried to do this. One of his followers got the absolute tar beaten out of him for handing out leaflets about it in the Clonskeagh mosque, who's head is Mr Halawa Snr. Who's son our govt and amnesty international want "home", guilty or not.

    Al Qadri is an Ahmadiyya Muslim, though 99% of Islam would view them as heretics, they had a prophet after Mohamed, which is a very big no no.

    If Al Qadri went in to the Mosque at Clonskeagh and started explaining himself, he might not come out alive, and I'm not being flippant in that.

    They reject violence, their influence and relevance is so small as to be negligible, even in Ireland.

    I would support Armed Guards stationed at their Mosque as they are often targeted by mainstream Islam.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    I see we're at the stage of the thread where the IRA are analogous to ISIS again. Where does the time go!

    I was talking about the devastating effect that internment and torture has on a community and how it can lead to more violence and death. It's pretty easy to see from our own history what happens in that situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Gravelly wrote: »
    You're a piece of work aren't you? Set up a false equivalence and then try to bully posters into taking a position on it so you can "prove" some point in your own head. Get out of it ya chancer.

    I don't see how it's a false equililant???
    What is different?



    Fun fact: not everyone in life is going to share same point as you.....don't see why those you disagree with should be shouted down


    Second post I've seen telling people to pipe down or calling them chancers vs actually discussing things on a discussion site???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    I don't see how it's a false equililant???
    What is different?



    Fun fact: not everyone in life is going to share same point as you.....don't see why those you disagree with should be shouted down


    Second post I've seen telling people to pipe down or calling them chancers vs actually discussing things on a discussion site???

    Angry people do not like free speech...they prefer mob groupthink.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    How was it pointless? People today have told me not to go or that they wouldn't go. I was trying to get across that the terrorists have won with them. Because of fear they won't go anywhere or are genuinely afraid. But nope. I'm wrong. Sorry for making a point or having a discussion on a forum. My apologies..

    You have lost the Internet.

    Please take your Modem outside and give it one to the back of the head or up the jacksie jacksie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    they prefer mob groupthink.

    And attempt to pass it off as discussion?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 386 ✭✭Spider Web


    Gravelly wrote: »
    You're a piece of work aren't you? Set up a false equivalence and then try to bully posters into taking a position on it so you can "prove" some point in your own head. Get out of it ya chancer.
    They're all over this thread. What kind of person would be more concerned about dissecting an Internet post than a massacre by extremists...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Spider Web wrote: »
    They're all over this thread. What kind of person would be more concerned about dissecting an Internet post than a massacre by extremists...

    Those interested in debate/hold alternative views


    But guess that's not allowed anymore?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,919 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    How was it pointless? People today have told me not to go or that they wouldn't go. I was trying to get across that the terrorists have won with them. Because of fear they won't go anywhere or are genuinely afraid. But nope. I'm wrong. Sorry for making a point or having a discussion on a forum. My apologies..

    You should go and enjoy your holiday! Security forces in Spain will be on high alert and the cowardly Muslim terrorists will move their efforts to another European city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭mahamageehad


    How do you feel about the rising numbers of salafists in Germany?
    I sure wouldnt be safer in Germany than in Ireland.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743685/Germany-extremists-Muslims-Islam-Salafi-Saudi-Arabia-Gulf-countries-Awwas-Alawwad
    Same problem you will find in France,UK and Belgium,where the muslim population is biggest in Europe.
    Well, as I've said before and I'll say again, I feel remarkably safe here. I live directly across the road from the refugee house here too. There has never been even a hint of trouble from the people that have passed through, except for the first few weeks when they managed to keep setting off the fire alarms with their cooking. :rolleyes: Even after all the refugees were brought in and including the historical turks, Muslims still account for only about 7% of the population here. Even though they're one of the biggest alternative religions, Islam isn't afforded the same legal rights as Christianity. Islam has always been treated as a second-class religion. My boyfriend is a social care worker here - he has said that far and away the biggest problem is the grandkids of the Turks that came in the 60s. They feel they were never afforded the same opportunities as other Germans, and they tend to drop out of school earlier, tend to have low-income jobs, tend to have more kids and earlier. These 13 and 14 years olds form gangs and carry knives, particularly those in the city centre. I would be much more panicked walking past that group of kids that I would walking through a street full of refugees.

    At no point have I said that we should accept radicals. I firmly believe that they should be rooted out. I say that not only about muslims, but also neo-nazis and extreme left wingers. The focus should be on removing these people from the country, or if citizens, from society. The other focus needs to be on the root causes of home grown terrorism and how we can prevent the current generations of kids from heading down extremist paths.

    All in all, Islam has had very little impact on my life personally. Unlike Christianity I might add.
    It is fascinating how crazy people can get when they don't understand a situation and feel threatened. I am guessing most of the illogical suggestions are coming from posters less than 25 years old with little life experience.
    Now, I was with you most of the way, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I would be thoroughly surprised if the most extreme posters in this thread were millenials. IMO they're more likely to be middle-aged, possible with families. That kind of rage takes time to build up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Not to go to far down the thread rabbit of the North.

    If the conflict in the 6 counties shows us anything it is that settling a large population of people with a supremacist philosophy, radical religious beliefs, a militant outlook has long term impacts.



    I think that England has in its infinite wisdom created its own "North" and it will have the same results for way longer than any of us are alive, same with much of Europe.

    Culture, values, outlook matters, the North is the most homogenous part of Ireland genetically, so people can't say oh thats racist.

    Cultures matter.


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