ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Samaris · 18-08-2017 08:49AM

Mod: Do not be calling each other trolls in here. Report offensive posts. Beechwoodpark, murpho99, don't take this any further in here, as it will only derail the thread.

Jayesdiem · 18-08-2017 08:50AM

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 08:50AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

When was the first time?

Here you go

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You just confirmed my suspicions that you are a troll.

If you actually read the charter of this thread you will see that you are the one in breach of the charter by calling people trolls so please stop.

AudreyHepburn · 18-08-2017 08:52AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Not wanting to put people through grinders to make animal fodder is oddball?

Insisting that these people deserve any kind of respect and sympathy is what's odd.

They don't care about us, we're a means to an end for them. Why should they be treated humanely when they do the exact opposite to us?

Beechwoodspark · 18-08-2017 08:52AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Here you go

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If you actually read the charter of this thread you will see that you are the one in breach of the charter by calling people trolls so please stop.

No problem. Reported the posts in question.

Captain Obvious · 18-08-2017 08:52AM

The reporting for this was all over the place. It escalated quickly to reports of hostage situations and attacks on police then went back to the original attack only then the casualty count sky rocketed then there was reports of a terrorist cell being taken out. Hopefully they catch the right guy and he'll go down for it. I wonder is the attack related to the terror cell that was taken out in Cambrils or are they separate. The second one seemed a lot more sophisticated.

Palmach · 18-08-2017 08:53AM

Samaris wrote: »

Yes, they are. Do you not remember last summer, at the height of the fight in the Middle East, when ISIS were still holding a lot more territory and had the freedom still to focus intently on Europe and radicalising weak-minded idiots. Do you not remember what it was like to wake up what felt like every other morning to another attack? It feels like this is constant now, but it's not - at least, it is not in Europe. That is no comfort to those mourning today, but it is true.

I don't say there will not be another attack. Sadly, I suspect there will be more that get through the security net. But a combination of a Europe-wide intense focus on the ideologues and radicalisers and the dramatic loss of ISIS territory and fighters is damaging them and forcing their focus on survival in the Middle East. We are winning this war.

Using Vans is a sign of weakness. They cannot get weapons in large quantities to cause real massacres like Madrid in 2004.Law enforcement in Europe has these guys under the kosh. One or two may well slip through there may be even the odd spectacular but I'd say AG and Islamic State heads are sorely dissapointed at how little effect they have had on daily life in Europe.

murpho999 · 18-08-2017 08:53AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No problem. Reported the posts in question.

As did I with your post that I now see you got a yellow card for.

Good luck.

Christy42 · 18-08-2017 08:54AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

How would a torture campaign work as a deterrent if no one knows about it?

Mehapoy · 18-08-2017 08:54AM

I was in Australia at the time of the 'stop the boats' campaign by tony abbot, and while many didn't think it would work at all, the numbers doing the crossing fell dramatically in the weeks after it was introduced, they totally smashed the people smugglers business model and the numbers being drowned went to zero almost overnight.
Our politicians, beholden as they are to Merkel and the EU, would not have the courage to take on the vocal left wing 'progressives' we have here and pull the Navy back from duties as a taxi service for people smugglers.
What can European countries do now? not a whole lot they can do, these are either children of immigrants or naturalised citizens, all they can do is stop immigration and severely curtail travel from Muslim countries so as not to make the situation worse, beef up security and watchlists and try to integrate those in the country that want to be integrated. After that they can only hope it calms down but it looks like its becoming a way of life in many cities now, semi regular terrorist attacks(all Islam in origin of course).
The best thing that could happen aswell would be the smashing of the vocal left wing progressives movement that has risen up around the EU.

blinding · 18-08-2017 08:57AM

Mehapoy wrote: »

I was in Australia at the time of the 'stop the boats' campaign by tony abbot, and while many didn't think it would work at all, the numbers doing the crossing fell dramatically in the weeks after it was introduced, they totally smashed the people smugglers business model and the numbers being drowned went to zero almost overnight.
Our politicians, beholden as they are to Merkel and the EU, would not have the courage to take on the vocal left wing 'progressives' we have here and pull the Navy back from duties as a taxi service for people smugglers.
What can European countries do now? not a whole lot they can do, these are either children of immigrants or naturalised citizens, all they can do is stop immigration and severely curtail travel from Muslim countries so as not to make the situation worse, beef up security and watchlists and try to integrate those in the country that want to be integrated. After that they can only hope it calms down but it looks like its becoming a way of life in many cities now, semi regular terrorist attacks(all Islam in origin of course).
The best thing that could happen aswell would be the smashing of the vocal left wing progressives movement that has risen up around the EU.

Australia has shown a successful template . Why are our politicians not using this template .

We have to ask . Is the situation that we have the situation that they want .

Danzy · 18-08-2017 08:57AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

Unfortunately, it would not work.

An even more radical solution is to monitor centres of worship across Europe, if you call for or disseminate information calling for murder, targeting people for harassment, say that you plan to bring about a future where such and such will be murdered by the State, then you need to be lifted and your public place of worship closed.

A strict application of the law on this would lead to a 1/3 of Mosques in Britain being closed. Half of them operate under a strict Islamic interpretation.

It is not as high in Europe but it is growing every year as the religious revival continues and people learn more about their faith and apply it.

That application of the law as it already exists in many places would lead to rioting on the streets.

18-08-2017 09:05AM

murpho999 wrote: »

So following the mentality of this thread there should be no sympathy for this family and they should be sent back to the Philippines.

Where was this said?

EndaHonesty · 18-08-2017 09:17AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

not yet · 18-08-2017 09:22AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Nor are they in Morocco or Tunisia where this attacker is supposedly from and where the Berlin attacker was from.
Im sure you noticed its 2017 and I still dont recall reading of many Hindu terrorists attacking Europe in the 40's.

Spain has nothing to do with the Wests meddling in the ME or NA,so why the attack...Ill save you the answer..its Islam

I'll see your Islam, and raise you European and Christian..

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-08-2017 09:25AM

blinding wrote: »

Australia has shown a successful template . Why are our politicians not using this template .

We have to ask . Is the situation that we have the situation that they want .

Because who would hate us. We're the land of lovey dovey lollipops and rainbows. Everyone is our bessstest friend forever's. Now let's all hold hands round the campfire and sing our Barney song. I love you. you love me.

FrancieBrady · 18-08-2017 09:25AM

While despairing about what can be done about these attacks (nothing only extreme vigilance and adequately resourced police and security forces imo) I would remain upbeat in general that the war is being won overall.

After the more organised events like 9-11 and London bombings etc people were talking about western civilisation being over run and other sensational stuff.
Reduced to using sporadic truck events like this is not going to achieve that.

It is a harsh reality now, so the sooner we commit fully to the investment in what is clearly working the better.

Jayesdiem · 18-08-2017 09:34AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

How would a torture campaign work as a deterrent if no one knows about it?

ISIS could be "leaked" information about the potential consequences. One of those situations where the governments would deny any knowledge of such but key enemy figures would be made aware.

Jayesdiem · 18-08-2017 09:36AM

EndaHonesty wrote: »

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members. It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness. Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

Well, I would say that I probably knew my opinion would be a polarising one.......

EagererBeaver · 18-08-2017 09:36AM

The absolute ****ing state of this thread.

Advocating torture of people suspected of having ties to ISIS? The ****ing hypocrisy cheek of some people.

ChikiChiki · 18-08-2017 09:43AM

blinding wrote: »

Australia has shown a successful template . Why are our politicians not using this template .

We have to ask . Is the situation that we have the situation that they want .

Australia has the best system by a country mile. Its a new country still trying to find its identity and their immigration system is working. A very multi cultural society where everyone gets along and contributes.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2017 09:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

While despairing about what can be done about these attacks

theres lots that can be done, but people havent the balls to do it.

instead, they would rather remain outraged at anybody who dares say a word that may offend somebody and constantly look for ways to make justifications and excuses for these people.

the attackers are rarely just appearing out of the blue and committing these hideous acts. almost every one of them, has committed crime or come to attention of police before they commit these crimes. if we went to Abu Dhabi, Australia and countless other countries and commited crimes, we would be f*cked out of the country without a word being said.

its time europe stopped being afraid of political correctness and started to treat criminals like they should be.

Nettle Soup · 18-08-2017 09:56AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The absolute ****ing state of this thread.

Advocating torture of people suspected of having ties to ISIS? The ****ing hypocrisy cheek of some people.

It is fascinating how crazy people can get when they don't understand a situation and feel threatened. I am guessing most of the illogical suggestions are coming from posters less than 25 years old with little life experience.

Richard Hillman · 18-08-2017 09:58AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The absolute ****ing state of this thread.

Advocating torture of people suspected of having ties to ISIS? The ****ing hypocrisy cheek of some people.

If you want to stop it then you should go to:
Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi
1 Isis Road
Ar-Raqqa
Syria

Otherwise pipe-down

jacksie66 · 18-08-2017 10:00AM

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tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 10:01AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Otherwise pipe-down

Heaven forbid someone should have a different opinion :eek:

Nettle Soup · 18-08-2017 10:02AM

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'm heading to Spain on Tuesday for a holiday. People are telling me not to go now. If I don't go I let these bastards win. I'm not gonna change my holiday plans because of these scum, that's exactly what they want. They try and win with fear..

You hero. The chances of it happening again anytime soon are extremely slim. Security will be very tight.

Christy42 · 18-08-2017 10:04AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

ISIS could be "leaked" information about the potential consequences. One of those situations where the governments would deny any knowledge of such but key enemy figures would be made aware.

So they don't tell their subordinates (who are more likely to get caught, most leaders go down via drone strike or targeted strike) and your plan fails. Or you ISIS don't believe you and you either need to supply proof, risking enough for them to leak enough to cause an investigation or they don't believe you.

You also need a competent organisation to keep it secret. Gitmo incidents did not exactly stay secret and we'll the US is a sieve right now. Too many people involved for much hope of keeping it secret.

Finally you are copying a tactic tried by every oppressive regime ever which always had dissenters and movements against the government as well as enemy spies a plenty who would have suffered similar consequences if/when caught.

Why do people insist on copying tactics that have failed repeatedly? I get it, it sounds like it should work but when something has been tried so many times before. This is not how actual plans should be made.

Will I Am Not · 18-08-2017 10:05AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The absolute ****ing state of this thread.

Advocating torture of people suspected of having ties to ISIS? The ****ing hypocrisy cheek of some people.

Who said this now? Did the whole thread agree on it?

scoey · 18-08-2017 10:06AM

Now now guys, let's not pile on one looney torture post and use it to obfuscate all discussion in this thread.

Of course for people who are only interested in derailing all discussions of islamic terror, it might be too hard to resist.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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