ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:19AM

scoey wrote: »

Absolutely amazing to see the same few people in every one of these threads trying to obsfuscate discussion of anything migrant or islamic terror related.
Don't let constant islamic terror get in the way of your progressive ideology guys. Keep up the good work.

Pointing our serious and gaping holes in your points is not obtuseness??

If you don't wish for this to happen....don't make it so easy??

We have people posting here that people born in Japan with Japanese passports aren't japemese...primary school stuff ffs

Your Face · 18-08-2017 12:19AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

And I would love to be the one to pull that trigger although I would shoot him. In the balls first!

Is that you John Wayne?

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:20AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

If you have a Japanese passport your Japanese

You point isn't making much sense??

It's like saying the ira in the north were British???

So if you put a duck amongst geese its a duck......yeah?

Why am I bothering!

Dyr · 18-08-2017 12:21AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

If you have a Japanese passport your Japanese

You point isn't making much sense??

It's like saying the ira in the north were British???

Japanese citizens can't hold dual nationality, so you're not going to be an Irishman with a Japanese passport.

They don't really do happy clappy diversity bull**** over there, you're either one of them or you ain't.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:21AM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

So if you put a duck amongst geese its a duck......yeah?

Why am I bothering!

What are you on about now??

Your the one claiming someone's passports means there not from that country

This thing about ducks is weird tbh

Danzy · 18-08-2017 12:22AM

Divelment wrote: »

Why should I accept ANY dilution of my standard of living in this country, let alone the wholesale destruction of my standard of living that I have witnessed in this country in the last 10-15 years, in the name of a warped political ideology known as "multiculturalism" that has been aggressively pushed by a class of EU political elites who will NEVER EVER in a million years, have to compete once with the same people who they are inviting to join our society from non EU countries, for scarce resources that exist in our society, for example housing, employment and healthcare?

These same people, the EU political class, have been imposing austerity all across the EU on the one hand, and on the other hand, have been pushing more and more and more people into our economies, that these guys have wrecked, and not content with wrecking EU economies through austerity and forced bank bailouts, they then impose the introduction of millions of new citizens, thereby driving down the price of labour, but at the same time the price of housing, etc, rises because there are all these new people competing for the same resources! Then these same EU elites have the fúcking neck to come on the television and tell people on a monthly basis now every time we have another one of these atrocities, "WE WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!", "WE MUST MAINTAIN OUR CORE VALUES!".

We were bet long ago because there is no sorting out this problem now, it is here to stay and it's going to get a lot worse. It will end in rioting on a scale previously unforeseen across the EU in the not too distant future I reckon.

It will end in inter-communal violence like Belfast in decades past.

There are places across Europe and Britain where you only hear Arabic spoken, they are near homogenous and enclosed entities, social norms are strictly enforced.

Completely isolated from the mainstream national culture and largely holding values that are profoundly against it.

Why would it work out any different this time, than the Plantation of Ulster?

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 12:22AM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

So if you put a duck amongst geese its a duck......yeah?

Why am I bothering!

How many generations do you need to be there before you're a citizen then in your opinion? Maybe all those Americans in the US that claim Irish roots coz their great grandparents went over on a boat are still Irish and not actually American after all?

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:22AM

Bambi wrote: »

Japanese citizens can't hold dual nationality, so you're not going to be an Irishman with a Japanese passport.

They don't really do happy clappy diversity bull**** over there, you're either one of them or you ain't.

I knows this

I've a good friend out here from japan (Afaik large parts of Asia the same)

The Backwards Man · 18-08-2017 12:23AM

Your Face wrote: »

Is that you John Wayne?

Pm him telling him you're CIA or FSB or something with a wee job for him. Nothing makes a hardman poop his pants so much as being called up on it.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:24AM

mahamageehad wrote: »

Well, fortunately as humans and not animals, we see things in various shades of grey instead of black and white.

I would gladly give an apartment to an educated, employed foreigner over an Irish lad on the dole. At least that guy is contributing to society via taxes. Obviously if it was down to a last school place and it was my child over another, of course I'd compete. If there was a crisis though, I'd help my friends and neighbours first, regardless of ethnicity, colour or creed, rather than some randomers that just happen to be Irish.

If you can't find an Irish person to do a job, obviously you'll look elsewhere. If we stop companies hiring those people, they won't take substandard Irish people instead, they'll just pack up and move. And we also have to take the other end of the scale into consideration- there's plenty of jobs that many Irish people won't do because they're "too good" for it. Look at California at the moment - the immigrant crackdown has resulted in a serious lack of labourers, you don't see Americans lining up to take those jobs despite all the complaints about foreign workers.

Perception doesn't alter reality. You may understand all the complexities of gravitational theorem, but that doesn't mean you can change it.

The fact that you don't see this doesn't bode well for the future of your family. This isn't merely a comment by me, its a probability statement based on the actual laws we live under, that of nature.

Your loss may be my gain, so go for it, I guess.

Aristotle145 · 18-08-2017 12:24AM

mahamageehad wrote: »

This is the key point that's often shouted down in these threads. The issue isn't usually with refugees and migrants, it's second and third generation immigrants. That's a much more difficult problem to solve though so people focus instead on rabble, rabble close the borders.

So if its the second and third generation immigrants thats the problem,why do we want more?Dont you think the new immigrants will become 2 gen and 3 gen immigrants in the future,you will let your kids grow up in this?
And the terrorist in stockholm,sweden was a new immigrant.

The Backwards Man · 18-08-2017 12:25AM

Bambi wrote: »

Japanese citizens can't hold dual nationality, so you're not going to be an Irishman with a Japanese passport.

They don't really do happy clappy diversity bull**** over there, you're either one of them or you ain't.

Their children can

Your Face · 18-08-2017 12:26AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Pm him telling him you're CIA or FSB or something with a wee job for him. Nothing makes a hardman poop his pants so much as being called up on it.

I'll tell him I have part for him in the next Jason Statham film.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:28AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is a disposable society (apart from those deeply affected by such terrorism).

Where do we get our next top post on Boards, Reddit, FB whatever. I'm sure you understand. MSM is only catching up and prostituting themselves for footage sometimes.

It cannot last. Attention span will go down to five minutes. NEXT....

Its easy to imagine the creation of a separate class, similar to themes that pop up in science fiction. A class of "citizens" that actually have voting power, and a much bigger class of non-citizens, generally made up of people that cant be trusted to make decisions.

Again, if people could manage to maintain a head on their shoulders and strive for balance this kind of thing wouldn't be necessary. But we always push, push, push as far as we can go on the swing....and then it swings back!

Oh well.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 12:30AM

We are going round and round in circles here folks...Islam is the problem here...read up the history...ever since it was formed its trying to rule over all others...

I read a post somewhere,maybe on boards,that if you look at where Islam is bordering other cultures around the world its involved in conflicts with all of them from the Far East to Central and West Africa into Europe...Islamic terrorists are fighting on all these fronts expanding this wretched ideology.

The Backwards Man · 18-08-2017 12:30AM

Your Face wrote: »

I'll tell him I have part for him in the next Jason Statham film.

A well known (non paramilitary) Republican used to play in a band down my way. Any time some drunken eejit would look for a rebel song he'd tell them he's not allowed to play it down here, but if you wanna come back in the van with us when we're finished we'd probably get a wee job sorted for you.

The sight of the colour draining from their face was priceless.

The Backwards Man · 18-08-2017 12:31AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

We are going round and round in circles here folks...Islam is the problem here...read up the history...ever since it was formed its trying to rule over all others...

I read a post somewhere,maybe on boards,that if you look at where Islam is bordering other cultures around the world its involved in conflicts with all of them from the Far East to Central and West Africa into Europe...Islamic terrorists are fighting on all these fronts expanding this wretched ideology.

Fundamentalists are the problem, extremists are the problem, doesn't matter what side of the border they are on.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:32AM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Everyone as a singular is prone to a psychotic break when you add layers of Complexity and external pressure.

They will break at their weakest point.

The same rule applys to a group, country, species.

True. In yet another layer of contradiction, the more we attempt to seize every facet of this problem, like sand it will all run through our fingers. Until eventually people just f**k the sand in someone elses face in frustration.

Simplicity has a way of rising to the top, and the simple answer to this mass murder of Europeans is staring people in the face. Matter of time.

noodler · 18-08-2017 12:32AM

Bambi wrote: »

Japanese citizens can't hold dual nationality, so you're not going to be an Irishman with a Japanese passport.

They don't really do happy clappy diversity bull**** over there, you're either one of them or you ain't.

One of the biggest foreign aid programmes in the world but yeah.... All. About themselves those. Japanese.

shaunr68 · 18-08-2017 12:33AM

mahamageehad wrote: »

This is the key point that's often shouted down in these threads. The issue isn't usually with refugees and migrants, it's second and third generation immigrants. That's a much more difficult problem to solve though so people focus instead on rabble, rabble close the borders.

The suspect arrested, Driss Oukabir, is a Moroccan who spent time in prison in 2012, "recently visited Morocco and arrived back in Barcelona on 13 August"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/driss-oukabir-barcelona-attack-suspect-terror-van-incident-named-latest-news-updates-a7899171.html

Why wasn't a non-EU national deported after serving a prison sentence and why was he readmitted after going to Morocco?

Was he one of these?

https://www.irishtimes.com/eyewitness-footage-shows-dinghy-of-migrants-landing-on-spanish-holiday-beach-1.3182390

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:35AM

Theres an ongoing incident in Cambrils, 60 miles outside of Barcelona, reports of shots fired, 3 dead and a possible explosive belt.

StinkyMunkey · 18-08-2017 12:35AM

Love the way all the bigots jump at the chance to label 1 billion people as following a evil religion.

The bigots are foaming at the mouth telling us just how bad all immigrants are, but fail to mention that Irish emigrants moved to every part of the globe.

The evil scum who perpertrated These heinous crimes are simply following the new trend of using vehicles are weapons - monkey see, monkey do.

There are evil ****tards in every religion, people who are pure scum, i count bigots among their numbers.

****ing sickening attack, my worst nightmare come true. Children lie dead on the pavement and people are more interested in attacking a religion than talking about the real reason any of this started - western policy in the Middle East. Unfortunately innocents are paying for the crimes of certain western governments retarded foreign polices.

Danzy · 18-08-2017 12:35AM

shaunr68 wrote: »

The suspect arrested, Driss Oukabir, is a Moroccan who spent time in prison in 2012, "recently visited Morocco and arrived back in Barcelona on 13 August"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/driss-oukabir-barcelona-attack-suspect-terror-van-incident-named-latest-news-updates-a7899171.html

Why wasn't a non-EU national deported after serving a prison sentence and why was he readmitted after going to Morocco?

Was he one of these?

https://www.irishtimes.com/eyewitness-footage-shows-dinghy-of-migrants-landing-on-spanish-holiday-beach-1.3182390

I think he grew up in Ceuta, not clear on that though.

gitzy16v · 18-08-2017 12:36AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fundamentalists are the problem, extremists are the problem, doesn't matter what side of the border they are on.

You forgot the word Islamic.

tomwaterford · 18-08-2017 12:36AM

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Theres an ongoing incident in Cambrils, 60 miles outside of Barcelona, reports of shots fired, 3 dead and a possible explosive belt.

If this is true....thank fcuk they intervened

mahamageehad · 18-08-2017 12:36AM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Perception doesn't alter reality. You may understand all the complexities of gravitational theorem, but that doesn't mean you can change it.

The fact that you don't see this doesn't bode well for the future of your family. This isn't merely a comment by me, its a probability statement based on the actual laws we live under, that of nature.

Your loss may be my gain, so go for it, I guess.

I feel a bit sorry for you if you go through life constrained by such tribalism to be honest.

Aristotle145 wrote: »

So if its the second and third generation immigrants thats the problem,why do we want more?Dont you think the new immigrants will become 2 gen and 3 gen immigrants in the future,you will let your kids grow up in this?
And the terrorist in stockholm,sweden was a new immigrant.

Yes, that's true, but I did say the majority though.

The handling on these migrants now is what will determine how they act in 2 or 3 generations.

I currently live in Germany and I can clearly see the tensions and differences between immigrant descendants and the new immigrants. Germany has plenty of issues, many related to their mass import of Turks and other easterners 30 or 40 years ago. They made a lot of mistakes then, which they are aiming to correct with this batch of migrants. Is it an ideal system? No. Do I feel as safe here as I do in Ireland? Yes.

I think rabble rabble borders has its place, but a simple thing we (and we here means all European countries) should be doing is tracking ANYONE that visits any arab-centric problem countries. We have border patrol, these people should be flagged, tracked and monitored. I have a friend teaching in UAE, she has visited Saudi and Oman in recent years. She should 100% be pulled aside on re-entry to Ireland. If she tries to rent a van, it should raise flags. Simple things. Extremist websites should also be tracked. People won't like that because it's getting too close to nanny-state rules, but the simple fact is that a lot of this radicalisation is happening over the internet. For migrants that we accept, integration needs to be of utmost importance and they should be separated out and not allowed to form gangs and ghettos. Do we still stop refugees from working in Ireland?

All of that applies to refugees and people seeking refuge by the way. If someone is coming here to work and be a productive member of society, and they can pay their own way, fair play to them. As long as they get the right visas, I've no issues.

Mahony0509 · 18-08-2017 12:37AM

https://twitter.com/terrorevents/status/898326871032463360

scoey · 18-08-2017 12:37AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Pointing our serious and gaping holes in your points is not obtuseness??

If you don't wish for this to happen....don't make it so easy??

We have people posting here that people born in Japan with Japanese passports aren't japemese...primary school stuff ffs

Well about 99% of the population of Japan would agree with the assertion that a person born in Japan to two Irish parents isn't Japanese. That being Japanese is something distinct from a Japanese passport.
That is an acceptable opinion in Japan.

It is not an acceptable opinion to progressive ideologues like yourself, so anyone who expresses a similar opinion about Europe is a nazi or fascist to you.

Danzy · 18-08-2017 12:38AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Love the way all the bigots jump at the chance to label 1 billion people as following a evil religion.

The bigots are foaming at the mouth telling us just how bad all immigrants are, but fail to mention that Irish emigrants moved to every part of the globe.

The evil scum who perpertrated These heinous crimes are simply following the new trend of using vehicles are weapons - monkey see, monkey do.

There are evil ****tards in every religion, people who are pure scum, i count bigots among their numbers.

****ing sickening attack, my worst nightmare come true. Children lie dead on the pavement and people are more interested in attacking a religion than talking about the real reason any of this started - western policy in the Middle East. Unfortunately innocents are paying for the crimes of certain western governments retarded foreign polices.

If they want to target those responsible for wars in the Middle East, they should go to the British Labour Conference or an army barracks.

Many countries that strongly opposed military intervention have been attacked. the Islamic State consider it way down their list of reasons to attack but you know all this, you just want to muddy the waters.

Sweet Prince · 18-08-2017 12:38AM

Divelment wrote: »

Why should I accept ANY dilution of my standard of living in this country, let alone the wholesale destruction of my standard of living that I have witnessed in this country in the last 10-15 years, in the name of a warped political ideology known as "multiculturalism" that has been aggressively pushed by a class of EU political elites who will NEVER EVER in a million years, have to compete once with the same people who they are inviting to join our society from non EU countries, for scarce resources that exist in our society, for example housing, employment and healthcare?

These same people, the EU political class, have been imposing austerity all across the EU on the one hand, and on the other hand, have been pushing more and more and more people into our economies, that these guys have wrecked, and not content with wrecking EU economies through austerity and forced bank bailouts, they then impose the introduction of millions of new citizens, thereby driving down the price of labour, but at the same time the price of housing, etc, rises because there are all these new people competing for the same resources! Then these same EU elites have the fúcking neck to come on the television and tell people on a monthly basis now every time we have another one of these atrocities, "WE WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!", "WE MUST MAINTAIN OUR CORE VALUES!".

We were bet long ago because there is no sorting out this problem now, it is here to stay and it's going to get a lot worse. It will end in rioting on a scale previously unforeseen across the EU in the not too distant future I reckon.

Well that's just it. If there had been a reasoned, sensible approach to many problems when they started, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now.

Would you spare a few quid to help someone out now and then? Hopefully so.

If that same person came to regularly asking for a handout, would you be less likely, or more likely to help? Probably less likely, youd start to feel taken advantage of.

If the person came every single day, sending text messages, emails constantly, would you help AT ALL? Probably not.

So, by the powers-that-be taking so, so much from everyone, not only are people actively gunning for them now, the bit of charity they would have voluntarily given is ALSO gone now.

This whole thing is like the golden goose, only in reverse. "you've taken so many f**king eggs at this point, I'll kill the bloody goose just to spite you!" :P

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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