ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Irish Praetorian · 17-08-2017 11:03PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I guess Spain was a battleground for Islam for many centuries. Didnt the Moors invade Spain around 800AD and weren't kicked out for 700 years or so.

That's broadly correct, I wonder if we can expect any apologists for these attacks to come and proclaim 'well of course they would attack Barcelona, Spain has been a battleground for centuries'.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Atocha train station. Madrid airport. And now Barcelona.

And a lot of Basque separatist murders and atrocities aswell.

Ireland is not immune either I would think on the basis of your post.

The 2004 train attacks point again see my error notification above.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2017 11:03PM

6 hours in, perhaps it's safe now to update the thread title from 'VI' to 'TA'.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 11:03PM

Divelment wrote: »

Because democracy in the EU is working in complete reverse, we elect people to our national parliaments and the EU parliament, who then tell us how it is going to be. Then we are suddenly shocked when electorates "go rouge" and we get a #Brexit or #Trump.

If a right wing party was formed here in the morning they would get my first and only vote, no 2nd or 3rd preference transfer opportunities for those who have us in this mess, in particular, FF/FG/Labour/Social Democrats (Labour gene pool wasters).

Until this happens in this country, we are on the road to a hiding. The housing crisis is going to get a LOT worse in a short space of time, and winter coming and the healthcare system has struggled to deal with the summer months when demand is traditionally low.

The only thing actually going for us now is that it has become clearer and clearer to anyone with a brain, that EU policies have completely failed EU citizens, Irish politicians have fully backed these hopelessly failed EU "groupthink" philosophies, so further "condemnations" of terror atrocities, and a shrugging of the shoulders when another thousand Irish children are made homeless and eating their cornflakes off the floor of a hotel bedroom somewhere, this just isn't going to cut the mustard with Irish people anymore.

There is zero chance of a right leaning party being set up here unfortunately. The media and establishment work very hard to crack down on anyone who even thinks of such an idea.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:05PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Seems that as long as Germany is ok with this, we all have to be. Ho Hum.

And Merkel will be re elected aswell according to the polls there.

Better get back in our boxes so. We will not have any say it seems.

Do what YOU can do. The gears of action can be slow on continent-scales, but that doesn't mean you have to like it or be appreciative of it.

Personally, I'm not going to go out of my way to help or welcome these extremely different people into my country, no matter how small the percentage of them would like to see me dead. It doesn't mean I'm going to do anything bad, but to hell with this softly touchy-touchy approach. It patently does not work, and in fact only encourages yet more.

Don't be a pushover.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 11:05PM

Yes thread title change please.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 11:05PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Sooner or later its going to happen here..i hope to god and sunny jesus it doesnt but it just seems inevitable at this stage..

Some loola is gonna do something in the name of islam and regardless of if it was part of ISIS or not they will claim it was their plan just to strengthen their ideology within their followers.

And we will be told by Varadkar or someone else its an isolated incident not all muslims are like this but you wont see an uprising of all the muslims who love around South Circular Rd marching down OConnell Street comdeming the actions.

I think it is unlikely to happen here as they have it too easy here, we are telling them we love them and we want to take down everything in society be it crucifixes or whatever, for fear of offending them. They don't need to attack us because we are giving them exactly what they demand every single time, without any need for them to get into a scrap with us about it.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 11:07PM

Divelment wrote: »

Very true, it's not as simple as I have set out but the continuation of this "they will never win!", attitude that we see being spouted out by the EU political class every time this happens, who have no strategy whatsoever to get back in control of this situation because they can't unwed themselves from the political principles that have caused this massive failure in EU policy that is the cause of these horrible events, political principles that have been a complete failure of a magnitude that could only be called eye-watering, these all need to be confronted.

The EU political class could not be more removed from the lives and concerns of EU citizens. People think Trump is mad and that the people who support him are mad, I'll tell you one thing, it's "America First", and none of this wholesale bullsh*t we have been served up for the last 20 years that forces policies on EU countries that drive down living standards, that drives down the price of labour, that makes housing less accessible, makes healthcare less accessible, because we have too many people chasing access to what are fairly limited resources and nowhere on earth is this probably more clear than here in Ireland where we have a massive housing crisis and a healthcare crisis, no thanks to policies of completely uncontrolled migration into this country...

there are no policies of uncontrolled migration into ireland. ireland has controled migration. the controls may not be as much as you would like but we have controls.

Ninthlife wrote: »

I consider myself a tolerant person. I consider myself open minded and I am aware of issues within the wider world.

I am Irish. Being Irish there are certain cultural and being catholic religious aspects that are part of how i was raised. I live in Ireland and naturally these aspects are the norm here but..

If i were to up and relocate to Islamabad or Aleppo or any Muslim dominant country I do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys changed the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs.

Nor do I expect the schools to display the school name in Irish the way many schools in England have the arabic variation of the school name displayed.

I dont expect the local restaurant to serve ham and cabbage the way some expect all places here to be halal.

i certainly wouldnt expect a catholic church to be erected in the middle of the muslim country either and Im sure id be told to f*ck off back to Ireland quick enough if i tried.

There are muslim people coming here expecting us to change how Ireland or -insert name of EU country here- live and exist just so they dont get offended and whats worse is this is supported and accepted by those in Government.

Yes we should be accepting and tolerant but not to the extent that is currently happening. And just for good measure they are using these attacks and the fear factor to ensure these changes happen.

People thinking well if we do all this stuff and make everything muslim friendly they wont attack us .

Im just tired of it all..

Cadburys chose to change the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs of their own accord. they were not forced to. it's a non-issue and nobody is stopping you from using the term easter egg, as i still continue to do. there are christian churches in islamic countries. very little has been changed in ireland due to the small few who expect it, and where it has happened it is of the accord of the schools or businesses involved. they were not forced to do anything, but chose to.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:08PM

Danzy wrote: »

It is an open fact that the Mafia, its variants are operating in conjunction with the traffickers, it is a multi billion business, enough for everyone to wet their beak,

And there is also a massive competition between these aid agencies to get grants/money. I personally know someone on the ground over there and they say the infighting to "get" the latest boat is insane.

Money, and lots of it.

Breaston Plants · 17-08-2017 11:08PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just a slight observation I have made about all post 9/11 terrorist attacks in Europe. All the big countries have been attacked including France, Germany, The UK, Spain and even some smaller countries like Belgium and Sweden but Italy has not been attacked is this just a conquincidence or is that Italian intelligence is very good or do terrorists have a particular motive for not attacking Italy.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/why-has-italy-been-spared-mass-terror-attacks-in-recent-years

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 11:09PM

CNN just showed a graphic video of people lying down on the street with blood strewn across the street after the aftermath of the attack.

I wished I hadn't watched it. It was gruesome stuff.

SterlingArcher · 17-08-2017 11:10PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I consider myself a tolerant person. I consider myself open minded and I am aware of issues within the wider world.

I am Irish. Being Irish there are certain cultural and being catholic religious aspects that are part of how i was raised. I live in Ireland and naturally these aspects are the norm here but..

If i were to up and relocate to Islamabad or Aleppo or any Muslim dominant country I do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys changed the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs.

Nor do I expect the schools to display the school name in Irish the way many schools in England have the arabic variation of the school name displayed.

I dont expect the local restaurant to serve ham and cabbage the way some expect all places here to be halal.

i certainly wouldnt expect a catholic church to be erected in the middle of the muslim country either and Im sure id be told to f*ck off back to Ireland quick enough if i tried.

There are muslim people coming here expecting us to change how Ireland or -insert name of EU country here- live and exist just so they dont get offended and whats worse is this is supported and accepted by those in Government.

Yes we should be accepting and tolerant but not to the extent that is currently happening. And just for good measure they are using these attacks and the fear factor to ensure these changes happen.

People thinking well if we do all this stuff and make everything muslim friendly they wont attack us .

Im just tired of it all..

Haha your last line is exactly how people roll over. And accept something they do not wish on themselves or their unborn Kin.

I'll put it to you this way.

When exactly is the line between tolerance and subservience being crossed. One side knows the answer the other is deluded.

I feel I must must be clear here. This does not apply to muslims vs Catholics or any religious booty chatter.

This is a personal opinion /observation about tribes or people in general. I personally see the distinction between anyone who has become radicalised in an ideology of any kind. That includes christian "fag haters" god loves us all to islamic state "murderers for ala" to kill anyone is to kill all humanity.

Mr. teddywinkles · 17-08-2017 11:10PM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder if their is some genius working in the shadows of the irish government, an indiscreet little civil service office somewhere that has deliberately cooked up the current crises of accommodation in Ireland.

There might be a cabal of intellectuals who have formed the perfect rebuttal/retaliation against EU powers who wish to settle untold amounts of foreigners here. "But look! We cant even house our own!".

Short term pain for your own people in order to secure their long term future.

Genius level thinking. Or complete incompetent coincidence.

Hmmm!

Nice conspiracy but if true would be the latter most definitely with our shower of egits. Dumb luck.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:11PM

end of the road wrote: »

there are no policies of uncontrolled migration into ireland. ireland has controled migration. the controls may not be as much as you would like but we have controls.

do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys chose to change the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs of their own accord. they were not forced to. it's a non-issue and nobody is stopping you from using the term easter egg, as i still continue to do. there are christian churches in islamic countries. very little has been changed in ireland due to the small few who expect it, and where it has happened it is of the accord of the schools or businesses involved. they were not forced to do anything, but chose to.

Its a disingenuous comparison between chocolate and Ramadan.

Try this one on for size, for a far more apt comparison. One of the major hospitals in Dublin was "forced/asked" to remove Christmas trees in order to not offend certain groups.

What do you think of that?

Kivaro · 17-08-2017 11:11PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Only way that will work is mass civil disobedience. Voting is not often enough.

I thought that the mass disorder and sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year's Eve a couple of years ago would be a catalyst for civil disobedience in that country, but it seems that the depth of German guilt goes far deeper than protesting the abuse of its citizens by the same type of people who are mowing down European citizens in various cities around the EU.

Merkel's number 1 supporter is an Irishman Peter Sutherland, who as chief UN Migration Envoy, encouraged the EU to do its best to undermine national homogeneity. It appears that their policies are working. Apparently to them, there are too many Irish in Ireland, too many English in England, and too many Germans in Germany.

There is no chance that any existing political party in Ireland will object to Merkel's stance, which is why a new political party would have to formed to deal with this issue, and to come up with practical solutions to healthcare, housing, infrastructure etc.

And if this does not happen, then the only way to counter the continuance of this type of enforced homogeneity suicide is civil disobedience.

lazybones32 · 17-08-2017 11:12PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Yes I see my original post is in error, that should read 2004 not 2003.

Too late...you've lost the argument. Incorrect dates, misspelling and improper use of punctuation results in your posts being discredited.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 11:13PM

end of the road wrote: »

there are no policies of uncontrolled migration into ireland. ireland has controled migration. the controls may not be as much as you would like but we have controls.

It is completely uncontrolled, hence why anyone who gets here has a 10 year appeals process, where they can (on free legal aid!), appeal every decision to the High Court, Supreme Court, all the way to the European Courts of Justice! We do not deport people after we reject their application for asylum, we allow them to use taxpayers money to spend 10 years appealing a decision that we have made concerning their application for asylum here.

There are no wars in China, Pakistan, India, yet the country is full of people from these non EU countries. The country now has a massive housing crisis and the health service is permanently operating at the point of collapse. This is a simple problem of allowing demand to overrun supply, and it is a product of COMPLETELY UNCONTROLLED MIGRATION into this country.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:13PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Nice conspiracy but if true would be the latter most definitely with our shower of egits. Dumb luck.

Ah I know, its just a niggle at the back of my mind, some sort of logical reasoning to the insanity. A dark horse of a chance. So dark its a black hole of light

Irish Praetorian · 17-08-2017 11:15PM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Too late...you've lost the argument. Incorrect dates, misspelling and improper use of punctuation results in your posts being discredited.

Well I played and I lost Joe but I had a great time

But there's always the next terrorist attack...wait a minute

Uboat · 17-08-2017 11:16PM

Refugees welcome. ©

Ninthlife · 17-08-2017 11:19PM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Haha your last line is exactly how people roll over. And accept something they do not wish on themselves or their unborn Kin.

I'll put it to you this way.

When exactly is the line between tolerance and subservience being crossed. One side knows the answer the other is deluded.

Im not rolling over but what is happening is my tolerance is being eroded...my acceptance diminishing

Spanish Eyes · 17-08-2017 11:19PM

What is this thing about winning or losing an argument FGS.

It is a discussion board, not the L+H debating society.

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 11:21PM

Spain's PM is now having a live press conference over the attack.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 11:22PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Things must have changed in UK. I was stopped by armed police in the airport twice on arrival in London. Brought in for some Allo allo allo.
No, I'm not nor haven't been involved in that struggle. Didn't stop profiling a young Irish guy.
Didn't really bother me either... their country, their rules.

no no not their country their rules at all. what they did to you was bigoted and anti-irish.

Divelment wrote: »

Because democracy in the EU is working in complete reverse, we elect people to our national parliaments and the EU parliament, who then tell us how it is going to be. Then we are suddenly shocked when electorates "go rouge" and we get a #Brexit or #Trump.

If a right wing party was formed here in the morning they would get my first and only vote, no 2nd or 3rd preference transfer opportunities for those who have us in this mess, in particular, FF/FG/Labour/Social Democrats (Labour gene pool wasters).

Until this happens in this country, we are on the road to a hiding. The housing crisis is going to get a LOT worse in a short space of time, and winter coming and the healthcare system has struggled to deal with the summer months when demand is traditionally low.

The only thing actually going for us now is that it has become clearer and clearer to anyone with a brain, that EU policies have completely failed EU citizens, Irish politicians have fully backed these hopelessly failed EU "groupthink" philosophies, so further "condemnations" of terror atrocities, and a shrugging of the shoulders when another thousand Irish children are made homeless and eating their cornflakes off the floor of a hotel bedroom somewhere, this just isn't going to cut the mustard with Irish people anymore.

a right wing party isn't going to solve the houseing or health crisis, or any of the crisis we currently face.

Ninthlife wrote: »

you wont see an uprising of all the muslims who live around South Circular Rd marching down OConnell Street comdeming the actions.

and rightly so. it wouldn't be needed as anyone with a brain will know most people condemn such attacks. all they would be do by marching is putting themselves at risk from little thugs.

BillyBobBS wrote: »

There is zero chance of a right leaning party being set up here unfortunately. The media and establishment work very hard to crack down on anyone who even thinks of such an idea.

complete nonsense. ireland has right wing parties. the media and establishment don't crack down on them but the majority of people are smart enough to know they won't be much different to what is currently being offered. what you don't have and what you want is a far right party, but correctly most people won't vote for that sort of nonsense as they aren't gullible.

gitzy16v · 17-08-2017 11:26PM

Divelment wrote: »

I think it is unlikely to happen here as they have it too easy here, we are telling them we love them and we want to take down everything in society be it crucifixes or whatever, for fear of offending them. They don't need to attack us because we are giving them exactly what they demand every single time, without any need for them to get into a scrap with us about it.

Just like Sweden?

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

no no not their country their rules at all. what they did to you was bigoted and anti-irish.

a right wing party isn't going to solve the houseing or health crisis, or any of the crisis we currently face.

and rightly so. it wouldn't be needed as anyone with a brain will know most people condemn such attacks. all they would be do by marching is putting themselves at risk from little thugs.

complete nonsense. ireland has right wing parties. the media and establishment don't crack down on them but the majority of people are smart enough to know they won't be much different to what is currently being offered. what you don't have and what you want is a far right party, but correctly most people won't vote for that sort of nonsense as they aren't gullible.

In relation to the last part, if Party A, B, C, D offer no alternatives, no answers, no solutions, no action, no reults, how long do you think people will tolerate that?

Genuine question. Do you think that there is an end in sight for these mass murders? Do you think its going to somehow all "work out" eventually? Do you know of a plan about to be hatched? Or that mass immigration is going to end in 5 months time?

If you don't have a coherent answer to those simple questions, then its probable most other people don't either. And that's when they go searching, and there is always someone ready to answer the call of a frustrated population.

Call it gullible if you please, but calling it inevitable is another synonym for this situation.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 11:33PM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Try this one on for size, for a far more apt comparison. One of the major hospitals in Dublin was "forced/asked" to remove Christmas trees in order to not offend certain groups.

What do you think of that?

they were asked and chose to do it. they didn't have to do it. it's their perogative to make that choice. i personally wouldn't have made that choice but their choice makes no odds to me either way.

Divelment wrote: »

It is completely uncontrolled, hence why anyone who gets here has a 10 year appeals process, where they can (on free legal aid!), appeal every decision to the High Court, Supreme Court, all the way to the European Courts of Justice! We do not deport people after we reject their application for asylum, we allow them to use taxpayers money to spend 10 years appealing a decision that we have made concerning their application for asylum here.

There are no wars in China, Pakistan, India, yet the country is full of people from these non EU countries. The country now has a massive housing crisis and the health service is permanently operating at the point of collapse. This is a simple problem of allowing demand to overrun supply, and it is a product of COMPLETELY UNCONTROLLED MIGRATION into this country.

there is no uncontroled migration to ireland. ireland has migration controls. the appeals system may take a long time but that will be tightened up, in fact i believe it is going to be.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:34PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Just like Sweden?

Have to agree here. Theyre not here to lord it over you like some bully, its sheer annihilation as an end goal.

Appeasing people whos goal is to end your life is not a way to escape it. Slow it down? Maybe!

In some fantastical (or not!) situation where the UK became dominated by a muslim power, do you think theyd look at us over here and say "ah shurr, theyre mates, we'll leave them alone!"

(for some reason the ruling muslim power of the uk has an oirish slant to the accent)

moneymad · 17-08-2017 11:38PM

2 jews are walking to the wall where they will be lined up and shot dead by the nazis. As they are walking to their deaths, one turns to the other and says "i'm going to have one last cigarette" the other turns around and says "don't, we might get into trouble."

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 11:39PM

Spain is going to have a national day of mourning on Sunday the 20th of August.

The BBC are reporting from various sources that Driss Oubakir has handed himself into police after seeing his face in the media. Mr Oubakir also claimed that van rental documents were stolen by his brother. He also said was over 100km away from the attack site in Barcelona in Ripoll in Girona.

A video report on CNN included a eyewitness saying that mothers and small children were lying on the street dead after the attack.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 11:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

they were asked and chose to do it. they didn't have to do it. it's their perogative to make that choice. i personally wouldn't have made that choice but their choice makes no odds to me either way.

there is no uncontroled migration to ireland. ireland has migration controls. the appeals system may take a long time but that will be tightened up, in fact i believe it is going to be.

But when does a choice cross the line into "forced in a friendly manner"?

Why are we so able to bend our traditions and forget our history and be accommodating, while others are absolutely unthinkable?

Can you imagine you and a few irish nurses in a Saudi Arabian hospital "asking" to remove all muslim symbols in the working environment! Can you imagine there being a politically correct presence in Saudi Arabia that would come running to your call, shaming other muslims into "voluntarily" removing the symobolism? Ha! Some fu**ing chance!

When are you accommodating, and when are you a pushover? I'm sure you've heard the phrase "take an inch, take a mile". I treat people as they treat me, I'm not some idealist who goes around cowering for others in the idealistic hope that they might actually do the same for me (ESPECIALLY when I already know they wouldn't!)

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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