ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Aristotle145 · 17-08-2017 10:47PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I consider myself a tolerant person. I consider myself open minded and I am aware of issues within the wider world.

I am Irish. Being Irish there are certain cultural and being catholic religious aspects that are part of how i was raised. I live in Ireland and naturally these aspects are the norm here but..

If i were to up and relocate to Islamabad or Aleppo or any Muslim dominant country I do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys changed the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs.

Nor do I expect the schools to display the school name in Irish the way many schools in England have the arabic variation of the school name displayed.

I dont expect the local restaurant to serve ham and cabbage the way some expect all places here to be halal.

i certainly wouldnt expect a catholic church to be erected in the middle of the muslim country either and Im sure id be told to f*ck off back to Ireland quick enough if i tried.

There are muslim people coming here expecting us to change how Ireland or -insert name of EU country here- live and exist just so they dont get offended and whats worse is this is supported and accepted by those in Government.

Yes we should be accepting and tolerant but not to the extent that is currently happening. And just for good measure they are using these attacks and the fear factor to ensure these changes happen.

People thinking well if we do all this stuff and make everything muslim friendly they wont attack us .

Im just tired of it all..

Not only in Ireland,all over Europe with a muslim population.I dont think you read about this in polish or hungarian newspapers,reason no muslim population,no terrorattacks.

Danzy · 17-08-2017 10:47PM

I thought the driver might have been the man killed in the explosion at their house but given that it seems that was last night, then obviously not.

Guessing that their was a problem in the bomb factory that ended up with the house collapsing, the 2 vans were meant to be packed with explosives or one at least anyway.

Might explain why there was confusion with attackers running rather than attacking more, the whole thing was a last minite plan.

end of the road · 17-08-2017 10:48PM

Your Face wrote: »

That's a load of cock.

sadly it isn't, but very very accurate for lots of people.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2017 10:48PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just a slight observation I have made about all post 9/11 terrorist attacks in Europe. All the big countries have been attacked including France, Germany, The UK, Spain and even some smaller countries like Belgium and Sweden but Italy has not been attacked is this just a conquincidence or is that Italian intelligence is very good or do terrorists have a particular motive for not attacking Italy.

There is likely some co-operation with the local organised gangs in terms of 'human trafficking' particularly from Sicily (main Med crossing processing centers). It's a billion dollar industry after all, so maybe who knows, perhaps they're exempt for their kindly assistance as they go on their journey towards NW Europe.

Bear in mind their ultimate end game aim, is said to be the total destruction of Rome and all that it stands for, so maybe it's just a temporary plaster.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 10:50PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I consider myself a tolerant person. I consider myself open minded and I am aware of issues within the wider world.

I am Irish. Being Irish there are certain cultural and being catholic religious aspects that are part of how i was raised. I live in Ireland and naturally these aspects are the norm here but..

If i were to up and relocate to Islamabad or Aleppo or any Muslim dominant country I do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys changed the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs.

Nor do I expect the schools to display the school name in Irish the way many schools in England have the arabic variation of the school name displayed.

I dont expect the local restaurant to serve ham and cabbage the way some expect all places here to be halal.

i certainly wouldnt expect a catholic church to be erected in the middle of the muslim country either and Im sure id be told to f*ck off back to Ireland quick enough if i tried.

There are muslim people coming here expecting us to change how Ireland or -insert name of EU country here- live and exist just so they dont get offended and whats worse is this is supported and accepted by those in Government.

Yes we should be accepting and tolerant but not to the extent that is currently happening. And just for good measure they are using these attacks and the fear factor to ensure these changes happen.

People thinking well if we do all this stuff and make everything muslim friendly they wont attack us .

Im just tired of it all..

These people are brazen, it is their culture. They are perpetually offended, they want any religious symbols not in accordance with their own, to be removed, as this "deeply offends" them. They want "Christmas" rebranded, to be known and referred to only in secular terms because the word "Christmas" offends them and the same goes for Easter.

You try going to any Muslim majority country and telling a Muslim that they can't call "Ramadan" Ramadan, because it offends you, and see how you get on with that.

judeboy101 · 17-08-2017 10:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/why-has-italy-been-spared-mass-terror-attacks-in-recent-years

Anyone notice not a single Muslim attack in North Korea?

Nettle Soup · 17-08-2017 10:51PM

Dilan Jolly Ant wrote: »

There is likely some co-operation with the local organised gangs in terms of 'human trafficking' particularly from Sicily (main Med crossing processing centers). It's a billion dollar industry after all, so maybe who knows, perhaps they're exempt for their kindly assistance as they go on their journey towards NW Europe.

Bear in mind their ultimate end game aim, is said to be the total destruction of Rome and all that it stands for, so maybe it's just a temporary plaster.

It must be nice to be able to make stuff up whenever you dont know the answer.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 10:51PM

Divelment wrote: »

Very true, it's not as simple as I have set out but the continuation of this "they will never win!", attitude that we see being spouted out by the EU political class every time this happens, who have no strategy whatsoever to get back in control of this situation because they can't unwed themselves from the political principles that have caused this massive failure in EU policy that is the cause of these horrible events, political principles that have been a complete failure of a magnitude that could only be called eye-watering, these all need to be confronted.

The EU political class could not be more removed from the lives and concerns of EU citizens. People think Trump is mad and that the people who support him are mad, I'll tell you one thing, it's "America First", and none of this wholesale bullsh*t we have been served up for the last 20 years that forces policies on EU countries that drive down living standards, that drives down the price of labour, that makes housing less accessible, makes healthcare less accessible, because we have too many people chasing access to what are fairly limited resources and nowhere on earth is this probably more clear than here in Ireland where we have a massive housing crisis and a healthcare crisis, no thanks to policies of completely uncontrolled migration into this country...

Sometimes I wonder if their is some genius working in the shadows of the irish government, an indiscreet little civil service office somewhere that has deliberately cooked up the current crises of accommodation in Ireland.

There might be a cabal of intellectuals who have formed the perfect rebuttal/retaliation against EU powers who wish to settle untold amounts of foreigners here. "But look! We cant even house our own!".

Short term pain for your own people in order to secure their long term future.

Genius level thinking. Or complete incompetent coincidence.

Hmmm!

Tea drinker · 17-08-2017 10:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/why-has-italy-been-spared-mass-terror-attacks-in-recent-years

Things must have changed in UK. I was stopped by armed police in the airport twice on arrival in London. Brought in for some Allo allo allo.
No, I'm not nor haven't been involved in that struggle. Didn't stop profiling a young Irish guy.
Didn't really bother me either... their country, their rules.

Marinjohn45 · 17-08-2017 10:51PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/an_education_in_terror

Ninthlife · 17-08-2017 10:52PM

Divelment wrote: »

These people are brazen, it is their culture. They are perpetually offended, they want any religious symbols not in accordance with their own, to be removed, as this "deeply offends" them. They want "Christmas" rebranded, to be known and referred to only in secular terms because the word "Christmas" offends them and the same goes for Easter.

You try going to any Muslim majority country and telling a Muslim that they can't call "Ramadan" Ramadan, because it offends you, and see how you get on with that.

Exactly my point but those in power and certain groups are insistent that we accept we change how the majority live just to appease the minority and all because of lets face it a Superstition

munsterlegend · 17-08-2017 10:53PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Things must have changed in UK. I was stopped by armed police in the airport twice on arrival in London. Brought in for some Allo allo allo.
No, I'm not nor haven't been involved in that struggle. Didn't stop profiling a young Irish guy.
Didn't really bother me either... their country, their rules.

What year was that though?

Irish Praetorian · 17-08-2017 10:53PM

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 10:54PM

RTÉ have a picture of the house explosion aftermath in Alcanar that could have been linked to the attack.

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2017/0817/898116-barcelona/

Also RTÉ say the Belgian PM told local media there that the Belgian national killed in the attack is now believed to be female.

Spanish Eyes · 17-08-2017 10:54PM

Seems that as long as Germany is ok with this, we all have to be. Ho Hum.

And Merkel will be re elected aswell according to the polls there.

Better get back in our boxes so. We will not have any say it seems.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 10:55PM

Spanish police now saying the explosion last night is very much connected to today's attack. Looking very likely it was a bomb factory and things went wrong.

tomwaterford · 17-08-2017 10:55PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

You are correct in pointing this out

Whereas in France etc,you could understand the rational behind attacking there (they were bombing is is. ..therefore is is attack back)

But Spain isn't to the best of my knowledge anyways

Aristotle145 · 17-08-2017 10:55PM

The whole problem is within Islam,but nobody dares speak about it,it offends them.Politicians are cowards,and media tries to cover the truth best thay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoJareHfIw

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 10:56PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Anyone notice not a single Muslim attack in North Korea?

You wouldn't know if there was in fairness.

munsterlegend · 17-08-2017 10:57PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

Barcelona is a high profile city visited by people all over the world and particularly the western world. It's an attack on western culture not Spain itself.

Professor Moriarty · 17-08-2017 10:57PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

192 people died in the Madrid train bombings in 2004.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 10:58PM

Aristotle145 wrote: »

The whole problem is within Islam,but nobody dares speak about it,it offends them.Politicians are cowards,and media tries to cover the truth best thay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoJareHfIw

Jeremy Corbyn sacked a member of the shadow cabinet for pointing out the UK has a problem with Muslim rape gangs. What chance is there when this sort of s h it is happening?

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2017 10:58PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

It must be nice to be able to make stuff up whenever you dont know the answer.

Must be nice to put on the headphones, maybe listen to lady gaga and think only of unicorns and lollipops.

Sorry to be funny in the reply, but the issue of human trafficking in/through Sicily is a sad reality.

http://www.newsweek.com/mafia-nigeria-migration-sex-work-trafficking-629627
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/mar/12/slavery-sicily-farming-raped-beaten-exploited-romanian-women
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-18/nigerian-women-are-being-trafficked-sicily-rapidly-increasing-rate
https://www.ft.com/content/36feadc0-e982-11e4-b863-00144feab7de
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/revealed-mafia-s-prime-role-in-human-trafficking-misery-8902359.html

Nettle Soup · 17-08-2017 10:58PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

I guess Spain was a battleground for Islam for many centuries. Didnt the Moors invade Spain around 800AD and weren't kicked out for 700 years or so.

Spanish Eyes · 17-08-2017 10:58PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Remarkable that Spain, which hasn't participated in the war on terror since 2003, hasn't been bombing random Muslim countries and has largely remained off the Islamist radar, should be targeted today. One might be lead to think that people rushing to explain the actions of the bombers through reference to such things are just making up nonsense for their own sake rather than facing a rather unpleasant reality.

Atocha train station. Madrid airport. And now Barcelona.

And a lot of Basque separatist murders and atrocities aswell.

Ireland is not immune either I would think on the basis of your post.

Tea drinker · 17-08-2017 11:00PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

What year was that though?

A jaysus that 1990 or so. I'm still surprised though.. how did the UK fall from grace in dealing with terrorism, and got overtaken by Italy?

Divelment · 17-08-2017 11:00PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Exactly my point but those in power and certain groups are insistent that we accept we change how the majority live just to appease the minority and all because of lets face it a Superstition

Because democracy in the EU is working in complete reverse, we elect people to our national parliaments and the EU parliament, who then tell us how it is going to be. Then we are suddenly shocked when electorates "go rouge" and we get a #Brexit or #Trump.

If a right wing party was formed here in the morning they would get my first and only vote, no 2nd or 3rd preference transfer opportunities for those who have us in this mess, in particular, FF/FG/Labour/Social Democrats (Labour gene pool wasters).

Until this happens in this country, we are on the road to a hiding. The housing crisis is going to get a LOT worse in a short space of time, and winter coming and the healthcare system has struggled to deal with the summer months when demand is traditionally low.

The only thing actually going for us now is that it has become clearer and clearer to anyone with a brain, that EU policies have completely failed EU citizens, Irish politicians have fully backed these hopelessly failed EU "groupthink" philosophies, so further "condemnations" of terror atrocities, and a shrugging of the shoulders when another thousand Irish children are made homeless and eating their cornflakes off the floor of a hotel bedroom somewhere, this just isn't going to cut the mustard with Irish people anymore.

Irish Praetorian · 17-08-2017 11:01PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

192 people died in the Madrid train bombings in 2004.

Yes I see my original post is in error, that should read 2004 not 2003.

Ninthlife · 17-08-2017 11:02PM

Sooner or later its going to happen here..i hope to god and sunny jesus it doesnt but it just seems inevitable at this stage..

Some loola is gonna do something in the name of islam and regardless of if it was part of ISIS or not they will claim it was their plan just to strengthen their ideology within their followers.

And we will be told by Varadkar or someone else its an isolated incident not all muslims are like this but you wont see an uprising of all the muslims who live around South Circular Rd marching down OConnell Street comdeming the actions.

Danzy · 17-08-2017 11:02PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

It must be nice to be able to make stuff up whenever you dont know the answer.

It is an open fact that the Mafia, its variants are operating in conjunction with the traffickers, it is a multi billion business, enough for everyone to wet their beak,

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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