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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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  • #512
    Cian_ok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Cian_ok


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Cian, give over, there is no comparison to the Ira, stop digging a hole for yourself

    There is. The common theme here is that all the Paddies should be locked up and/or put on a boat back to Ireland.
    Sorry. All the Muslims should be locked up and/ or put on a boat back to the Middle East.


  • #513
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,044 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Same story different city, all we need now is to clear up, light candles and wait for the next city to be attached.

    Benefits of the EU and German Policies.....


  • #514
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Govt officials -13 dead and Over 100 people injured


  • #515
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Worrying thoughts there, but not outside of anyone's radar either.

    How do we continue to live in a free society without curtailing all free movement (sorry that was not a Brexit ref).

    But at the ver least minimum precautions would be good. You just have to look at the Westminster Bridge atrocity. Right beside the Houses of Parliament, and no bollards to protect pedestrians at all.

    There are ways to provide protection from battering rams, sorry vans, and it doesn't take too much to organise it either.

    We are now at the stage where brightly coloured tonne concrete blocks are situated on main streets in someparts of Europe, gaily painted so as to look fun and a part of the decor but not gay enough that someone will try to throw them off a roof.

    Garbage lorries parked conveniently in Germany at side roads on to the Marathon.

    Say every thoroughfare is blocked to these attacks, the nature of the attacks will just change.

    One ironic thing is given the religious inspiration behind this, the strict nature of the faith and its myriad of rules and emphasis on not thinking for oneself, it is churning out activists who do not think outside the box.

    If you have a desire to kill in large numbers and are happy to die in the process then there are unlimited and much bigger attacks that could be done.

    One thing is certain that for our life times we'll never see the freedom and security that we took as normal for most of the last few decades again.

    It is going to be slowly replaced as the security situation continues to deteriorate.


  • #516
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    Cian_ok wrote: »
    There is. The common theme here is that all the Paddies should be locked up and/or put on a boat back to Ireland.
    Sorry. All the Muslims should be locked up and/ or put on a boat back to the Middle East.
    Don't forget your shovel troll


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  • #517
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    People worship mohammad ali, yet he was one of the first hate speakers for Islam, Muslims view is warped, even the ones who won't act violently

    He joined the American cult the "Nation of Islam" -Elijah Muhammad gave him his name - and was a member up until around 1972 afaik then he became a mainstream Sunni Muslim


  • #518
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Divelment wrote: »
    There is another and much easier way of doing it, the way they are doing it in Poland and in Hungary. They have refused to accept ANYTHING on the long list of problems that comes with trying to integrate Muslims into their society and it's simply not up for negotiation.

    So no need for security bollards on every street, no need to tell their citizens that they can't bring a backpack to a football game, no need for the likes of what is happening in Paris tonight where there are armed military personnel on every street, no need to pay 10,000 intelligence officers to try keep tabs on 3,000 extremists or people who may be carrying extremist views.

    That may apply to Poland and Hungary, but what about all other countries in Europe where terrorists may be embedded for years through birth or years iof immigration by forebears?

    I think we need to focus on what we can do, not what others have succeeded in doing.

    But in fairness, not many immigrants wanted to settle in Poland or Hungary either, but rather they wanted to use those countries as a way to get elsewhere in Europe.


  • #519
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Don't forget your shovel troll

    I don't see why your shouting down his opinion vs debating it


    The comparison is valid imo


  • #520
    Divelment
    Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Divelment


    Cian_ok wrote: »
    There is. The common theme here is that all the Paddies should be locked up and/or put on a boat back to Ireland.
    Sorry. All the Muslims should be locked up and/ or put on a boat back to the Middle East.

    If the UK decided that this was the solution for them in the 80's then this would have been the way it was. You are comparing apples and oranges comparing the IRA & Islamic terrorism, the IRA were the product of a part of the UK that was governed along highly sectarian lines where the indigenous Catholic population were cut out of all sections of society, whether it came to your political representation or your chances of employment. It couldn't be further from the reality of Islamic terrorism today, where we are inviting members of a medieval cult, from another part of the world, to come here and it is central to their system of belief, to deliberately NOT integrate into societies like ours who are simply stupid enough to invite them to come here.


  • #521
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I don't see why your shouting down his opinion vs debating it


    The comparison is valid imo

    It's laughable that's why, you can bring the horse to water, but you can't make him drink


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  • #522
    Cian_ok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Cian_ok


    Divelment wrote: »
    If the UK decided that this was the solution for them in the 80's then this would have been the way it was. You are comparing apples and oranges comparing the IRA & Islamic terrorism, the IRA were the product of a part of the UK that was governed along highly sectarian lines where the indigenous Catholic population were cut out of all sections of society, whether it came to your political representation or your chances of employment. It couldn't be further from the reality of Islamic terrorism today, where we are inviting members of a medieval cult, from another part of the world, to come here and it is central to their system of belief, to deliberately NOT integrate into societies like ours who are simply stupid enough to invite them to come here.

    Except that most of the recent terrorists weren't immigrants. They were born in Europe.

    The Irish are no different. When we go to other countries we don't integrate. We go straight the the local Irish bar and start giving out about the Guinness.


  • #523
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I don't see why your shouting down his opinion vs debating it


    The comparison is valid imo

    In my opinion it is not.

    I saw the IRA as a legitimate response to occupying forces.

    Now back on topic because what happened a few decades ago is not the discussion at hand.


  • #524
    Your Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Cian_ok wrote: »

    The Irish are no different. When we go to other countries we don't integrate. We go straight the the local Irish bar and start giving out about the Guinness.

    That's a load of cock.


  • #525
    gizmo81
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Divelment wrote: »
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Has anyone ever noticed Grafton street and Mary/street? our 2 busiest streets primed for an attack by vehicle no bollards constantly delivery vans on them... it will happen eventually mark my words.

    It won't make any difference, you could close off every street in the country, if these guys want to kill people they will do it, you close off the streets and they'll just get three or four of them to go buy 40 litres of petrol, split it up between them and they'll go into a packed pub and set fire to themselves and the petrol at the exact same time and create a fireball that will turn the entire pub up into an inferno before anyone has the chance to even get out of the place.

    So then what do you do?!? Do you start body searching everyone who wishes to visit a public place, be it a busy city street or a museum or a busy pub in town?!? Do you start banning people wearing jackets or carrying backpacks, so that the risk of terror attacks is reduced by a small amount?!?

    This is my whole point, this is the madness that we are being now not just asked to accept, but TOLD that we have to accept, in order to preserve these "core EU values" of multiculturism! Has anyone asked us to we want further multiculturalism?!? Has anyone asked us what further basic freedoms and fundamental civil rights we are prepared to surrender so that we can continue embracing something that we were never even asked did we want in the first place, this "multiculturalism"?!?

    We are not allowed to discuss this for one reason and one reason only, the entire EU political class, including our own tossers, are terrified that people will start joining up the obvious dots and voting them out of power. It's like when Bishop Brennan got kicked up the arse, the strategy of dealing with the repercussions of the event was to pretend that the entire thing never happened!

    I don't think the current shower would have the balls to set themselves on fire. They hide in cars, vans and trucks.

    A few bollards would cost nothing, would make people feel more secure and wouldn't have people, like Barcelona's councillors tonight, saying what if.


  • #526
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    It's laughable that's why, you can bring the horse to water, but you can't make him drink

    What are you on about now???

    And now dribbling on about horses.....are we to accept you've nothing to contradict his comparison??


  • #527
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    Don't forget your shovel troll

    Mod: Don't post in this thread again


  • #528
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Cian_ok wrote: »
    Except that most of the recent terrorists weren't immigrants. They were born in Europe.

    The Irish are no different. When we go to other countries we don't integrate. We go straight the the local Irish bar and start giving out about the Guinness.

    A troll that is lazy and dull is more heartbreak than an annoyance.


  • #529
    drdeadlift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Cian_ok wrote: »
    Except that most of the recent terrorists weren't immigrants. They were born in Europe.

    The Irish are no different. When we go to other countries we don't integrate. We go straight the the local Irish bar and start giving out about the Guinness.

    Im Irish,moved to Norway,have Norwegian friends and am learning the Lingo..I know plenty of Irish down under integrating unlike how you describe.


  • #530
    Sweet Prince
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Sweet Prince


    As I mentioned earlier, practicality is a hard sell, and liberalism is an easy sell through mass media.

    Unfortunately all people are grounded in one form of selfishness or another. Call it greed, its also a basic survival instinct.

    So on those grounds, can someone even attempt to "sell" me on the idea of mass immigration (in this particular case its immigration of a very different culture).

    On the pro side, I get to feel better that I might be helping other people out of a bad situation by "allowing" them to move into my home instead. But that's about it, that's all I can really think of as a net positive. I can think of plenty of negatives that, in my opinion, far outweigh that single positive.

    But for the people here that are defending this kind of thing (no, not the exact murders, of course), can you sell me on mass immigration into Europe?

    (I appreciate any attempts, but please don't do the pyramid scheme/pension thing. Its simple mathematics that its nonsense)


  • #531
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    murpho999 wrote:
    Whilst people are getting all dramatic about today's incident they should realise that so far, exclding today in the whole of Europe that 34 people have been killed due to terrorism.


    I don't think you watch the news much do you?


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  • #532
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    murpho999 wrote:
    Whilst people are getting all dramatic about today's incident they should realise that so far, exclding today in the whole of Europe that 34 people have been killed due to terrorism.


    I don't think you watch the news much do you?


  • #533
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Leave aside the mass immigration issue for a minute. I get the impression that many of the previous terrorists were born and bred in their host country. Could be wrong but that's my feeling.

    A few bollards at vulnerable spots would cost little or nothing compared with the police presence and all that.

    So why not? I doubt any non car/van driver would care.


  • #534
    Aristotle145
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Aristotle145


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    Im Irish,moved to Norway,have Norwegian friends and am learning the Lingo..I know plenty of Irish down under integrating unlike how you describe.

    I am the opposite of you,but id say i am well intregrated after 20 years.
    You cant compare the IRA to Islamic terror.IRA wasnt driven by a religious ideology.
    Stavanger er mitt andre hjem.


  • #535
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Reports now of an explosion.


  • #536
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Can anyone tell me....what are the benefits of Mass Islamic Immigration from the Third World?


  • #537
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Cian_ok wrote: »
    Except that most of the recent terrorists weren't immigrants. They were born in Europe.

    The Irish are no different. When we go to other countries we don't integrate. We go straight the the local Irish bar and start giving out about the Guinness.

    Embarrassed for you.


  • #538
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Reports now of an explosion.

    Ya
    ..but but bollards will stop it :rolleyes:



    Jesus as if people honestly believe someone going out to kill people will be stopped by bollards


  • #539
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The usual responses are already being trotted out " we stand together" and the unbelievable lie "They will not change us".

    It takes some incredible neck to say the 2nd one, especially when they know it is a lie.


  • #540
    Sweet Prince
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Sweet Prince


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Leave aside the mass immigration issue for a minute. I get the impression that many of the previous terrorists were born and bred in their host country. Could be wrong but that's my feeling.

    A few bollards at vulnerable spots would cost little or nothing compared with the police presence and all that.

    So why not? I doubt any non car/van driver would care.

    But it is all down to mass immigration, clashing cultural values, ideological "wars" etc.

    The idea that certain people happened to be born in a certain country does not mean that they are "of that nationality". They are obviously, generally speaking, the result of a precious wave of immigration, cultural difference included.

    Talking about bollards and such is like closing the barn doors after the horse has bolted.

    Its akin, in some way, to letting a lunatic live in your house, and THEN putting an extra lock on the door. Address problems at their root source, and do what YOU can do about the current problem. We could all wait to see what America is going to screw up next in the middle east, or take ownership of our part of the problem.


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  • #541
    drdeadlift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Aristotle145 wrote: »
    I am the opposite of you,but id say i am well intregrated after 20 years.
    You cant compare the IRA to Islamic terror.IRA wasnt driven by a religious ideology.
    Stavanger er mitt andre hjem.

    Hold on,i was only commenting on the nature of how some people think the Irish do not integrate.
    The IRA comparison is complete horse ****e.We are dealing with something different here,in a different time etc.


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