ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

end of the road · 17-08-2017 09:07PM

Divelment wrote: »

At least in the UK they had a national conversation on EU membership and they decided that seeing as they had lost all control of migration into the country, that they would be better off outside the EU and taking back control of their own borders.

except they hadn't lost control of migration and had full control of their borders. successive governments didn't want to pay for the staff to enforce them however, and that won't change. supporters of brexit were sold a pup, and many of them believe britain will return to some 1950s style past with all the industries and few to no brown or non-british people. not going to happen for them.

Divelment wrote: »

a Nigel Farage type political candidate in this country with a strong campaigning crew would get between 5-10 seats in this country in the next election.

farage couldn't get elected to the uk parliament. he didn't bother to turn up most of the time to the EU parliament dispite being elected. ukip only got a small few seats. sorry but you are delusianel if you think some ukip style joke will get 10 seats, even the most gullible are even beginning to see through the likes of farage now.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

People like Tommy Robinson must be sick and tired of repeating the same truths over and over

stephen lennen wouldn't know truth if it came out and bit him on the backside. for example, people were all ready talking about the paedophile gangs long before he started talking about them. maybe if he wasn't a violent thug and a racist people might be willing to listen to what he has to say. others seem to be able to discuss the same issues without problems.

GiftofGab wrote: »

If the IRA was carrying out the same attacks as these terriosts, I would support a similar ban.

did you not hear of the mainland bombing campaign?

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 09:08PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does anyone think any of the 3 big political parties in this country can deal with this threat? Let alone the many smaller parties (mainly left)

You need to get to the root of the problem, and the root of the problem is not any particular political party.

The real enemy is a particular mind-set, a frame of thinking that has been nourished and nurtured through mass media for too many years now. It is that of the socially liberal.

ISIS are a fly that could be squashed in a matter of weeks with concerted effort, but the root problem of social liberalism prevents any action.

It is an ideology that has little foundation in reality, but importantly it is easy to sell, and "sell" is the name of the game. Why steal from a person when you can convince them that its in their best interest to willingly hand it all over to you?

Its far more difficult to sell practicality because it comes across as dry and boring, especially to the extremely vulnerable youth of today. Blast them with soap operas, ads, nonsense reality tv and "laughing" and "happiness" through liberal-founded media and you've got them.

You don't miss things until their gone, like your identity, culture, country, home, history. Pesky things that stand in the way of making a profit.

You cant spell neoliberalism without liberalism, and we all know (wishful thinking?) how great neoliberalism is working out.

To return, these killings on the streets of Europe are easily dealt with. Just question who it is that's holding it up, the real enemies, if truth be told.

Professor Moriarty · 17-08-2017 09:09PM

Divelment wrote: »

I blame us, that's it, I blame you and I and the other 6 odd million people out there in this country who get a polling card every election time, who appear to be happy to allow our society to be unquestionably replanted by a highly connected joined up worldwide religious cult organisation, that is at least one thousand years behind the current times we live in. This is the thing, anyone remember "VOTE YES FOR JOBS!", the message behind the Lisbon Treaty I and II?!? We allowed yet again in this country, all substantive reasoning to be smothered when it came to discussing our continuing integration with the EU, anyone who said or even suggested that there were valid concerns around the subject of migration into our country, were literally labelled as lunatics or people who were actually mentally disturbed. Fast forward a few years and not just Ireland but the EU is in chaos, caused by uncontrolled migration into the EU and then uncontrolled travel within the EU once you get in.

6 million voters? The population of Ireland is 4.7 million of which approximately 3.5 million are eligible to vote.

Negative_G · 17-08-2017 09:09PM

end of the road wrote: »

the extremists may be deepening the divide, but so are the racists and extremists in our communities who are just as much to blame.

They do not bring the hostile reaction upon themselves, that is victim blaming. it is the extremists on our side using excuses for their own agenda and blaming everyone else for it.

no lets not stop blaming the extremists within our communities who use brown skin as a reason to have a go at innocent people. muslims aren't changing our laws.

You are like clockwork.

Do you not get sick of defending the indefensible every single time this happens?

One would imagine that after Paris, Brussels, Nice, Munich, Ansbach, Saint-Etienne, Berlin, Stockholm and Manchester perhaps they might change their tune a little bit.

You are consistent, I'll give you that much.

Spanish Eyes · 17-08-2017 09:10PM

Probably this will sound insensitive, very sorry if so, but is my opinion.

These attacks are reaching critical mass. Tomorrow it will be gone from the front page, and only those immediately affected (who are forgotten very soon), will grieve and be traumatised. The rest of us pontificate from our screens. Myself included. Mea culpa.

Anyway can anyone, without googling, say when and where the last say 10 attacks in Europe were. How many were killed/injured in each one. Name the terrorists and the deceased/injured.

Don't leave out anything now.

mahamageehad · 17-08-2017 09:10PM

Barcelona is my favourite European city, this really saddens me.
I watched this attack unfold on Twitter, and the immediate emergence of people to twist a terrible event to suit their agenda, and the like-whöres uploading videos of dead kids in the street sickens me. Not as much as it sickens me how commonplace these attacks have become, but for god sake can people not just be respectful and sad for half and second before immediately thinking how they can gain political points or social media validation from it?

Somewhere out there today is a mother, sister, uncle whatever that saw a family member or best friend mown down in cold blood on social media and news sites before they even knew what was happening. Where the hell is the humanity gone? As much as people bïtch about the #prayforwhatever statuses, at least they weren't immediately considering how they could twist a tragedy to benefit them.

Cian_ok · 17-08-2017 09:10PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Whilst people are getting all dramatic about today's incident they should realise that so far, exclding today in the whole of Europe that 34 people have been killed due to terrorism.

23 in Manchester and 11 in London.

Info here

There have been 99 people killed so far this year on the roads but people don't feel nervous about travelling in cars.

During the 'Troubles' in the 80s there were between 80 and 120 killed each year. In the 1972 it peaked at 479! 3 people every 2 days!

Nettle Soup · 17-08-2017 09:10PM

Sweet Prince wrote: »

You need to get to the root of the problem, and the root of the problem is not any particular political party.

The real enemy is a particular mind-set, a frame of thinking that has been nourished and nurtured through mass media for too many years now. It is that of the socially liberal.

ISIS are a fly that could be squashed in a matter of weeks with concerted effort, but the root problem of social liberalism prevents any action.

It is an ideology that has little foundation in reality, but importantly it is easy to sell, and "sell" is the name of the game. Why steal from a person when you can convince them that its in their best interest to willingly hand it all over to you?

Its far more difficult to sell practicality because it comes across as dry and boring, especially to the extremely vulnerable youth of today. Blast them with soap operas, ads, nonsense reality tv and "laughing" and "happiness" through liberal-founded media and you've got them.

You don't miss things until their gone, like your identity, culture, country, home, history. Pesky things that stand in the way of making a profit.

You cant spell neoliberalism without liberalism, and we all know (wishful thinking?) how great neoliberalism is working out.

To return, these killings on the streets of Europe are easily dealt with. Just question who it is that's holding it up, the real enemies, if truth be told.

You dont sound very stable. Is there an action plan here somewhere?

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 09:12PM

Bambi wrote: »

Note the various rants and arguments people will have made after Charlottesville about opposing fascism by all means and punching nazis and then note the total f**king radio silence from the same quarters that will follow this. Dicks will be quietly tucked in until Donnie says something stupid again

I often wonder how people manage to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance.

Its easy, most people don't think anymore, are not independently-minded anymore. Its all about "feelings" for a shockingly (disappointingly) large amount of people.

Anything that crosses their feelings, no matter how inescapable, no matter how blunt and no matter how obvious........that's where they go off the deep-end.

Very child-like, and you can, absolutely, blame mass media for that.

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 09:14PM

BBC saying there are now 13 killed and 80 people hopsitalized over this terror attack.

The area of Las Ramblas is now in lockdown by Spanish authorities.

2 people have been arrested.

People are now queuing up at hospitals in Barcelona to give blood donations to the injured.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 09:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

the extremists may be deepening the divide, but so are the racists and extremists in our communities who are just as much to blame.

They do not bring the hostile reaction upon themselves, that is victim blaming. it is the extremists on our side using excuses for their own agenda and blaming everyone else for it.

no lets not stop blaming the extremists within our communities who use brown skin as a reason to have a go at innocent people. muslims aren't changing our laws.

Go on out of that.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 09:14PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Has anyone ever noticed Grafton street and Mary/street? our 2 busiest streets primed for an attack by vehicle no bollards constantly delivery vans on them... it will happen eventually mark my words.

It won't make any difference, you could close off every street in the country, if these guys want to kill people they will do it, you close off the streets and they'll just get three or four of them to go buy 40 litres of petrol, split it up between them and they'll go into a packed pub and set fire to themselves and the petrol at the exact same time and create a fireball that will turn the entire pub up into an inferno before anyone has the chance to even get out of the place.

So then what do you do?!? Do you start body searching everyone who wishes to visit a public place, be it a busy city street or a museum or a busy pub in town?!? Do you start banning people wearing jackets or carrying backpacks, so that the risk of terror attacks is reduced by a small amount?!?

This is my whole point, this is the madness that we are being now not just asked to accept, but TOLD that we have to accept, in order to preserve these "core EU values" of multiculturism! Has anyone asked us to we want further multiculturalism?!? Has anyone asked us what further basic freedoms and fundamental civil rights we are prepared to surrender so that we can continue embracing something that we were never even asked did we want in the first place, this "multiculturalism"?!?

We are not allowed to discuss this for one reason and one reason only, the entire EU political class, including our own tossers, are terrified that people will start joining up the obvious dots and voting them out of power. It's like when Bishop Brennan got kicked up the arse, the strategy of dealing with the repercussions of the event was to pretend that the entire thing never happened!

17-08-2017 09:14PM

Negative_G wrote: »

You are like clockwork.

Do you not get sick of defending the indefensible every single time this happens?

One would imagine that after Paris, Brussels, Nice, Munich, Ansbach, Saint-Etienne, Berlin, Stockholm and Manchester perhaps they might change their tune a little bit.

You are consistent, I'll give you that much.

Its this type of "anyway to move the goalposts attitude" that is part of the main problem
It doesn't matter who said it in the public eye. At this stage anyone with any sense knows the reality of the situation by now

dublinman1990 · 17-08-2017 09:17PM

Contact number available to those who have relatives in Barcelona

+34 900400012

https://twitter.com/112/status/898267213404061697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Flive%2F40966524

deaddonkey15 · 17-08-2017 09:20PM

Bambi wrote: »

Note the various rants and arguments people will have made after Charlottesville about opposing fascism by all means and punching nazis and then note the total f**king radio silence from the same quarters that will follow this. Dicks will be quietly tucked in until Donnie says something stupid again

I often wonder how people manage to maintain that level of cognitive dissonance.

You see it with modern feminism too. Manspreading and mansplaining are serious problems.

Honour killings, forced marriages and jailing of rape victims though - don't want to know about it.

Aristotle145 · 17-08-2017 09:21PM

Someone probably stole their donkey.
So now they seek revenge
http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/teens-treated-for-rabies-after-alleged-sexual-contact-with-donkey/

end of the road · 17-08-2017 09:21PM

Doltanian wrote: »

I don't blame Islam or Muslims for this, its part of their religion and their culture to hate and kill non-beleivers as is written in the Koran and won't ever change. I blame the liberal leftwing cultural marxists and various leftwing political parties which are responsible for all this, Tony Blair and Angela Merkel and the Irish labour party also with their politically correct mantra. The enemy is within and the bloods of inncents are on the hands of the traitors leftwing troskyites who are determined for Europe to effectively commit racial and cultural suicide to appease their political correctness dogma.

nice inaccurate rant. when did you read the Koran? answer, never. the blood is on the hands of those who cary out attacks, nobody else.

Negative_G wrote: »

You are like clockwork.

Do you not get sick of defending the indefensible every single time this happens?

One would imagine that after Paris, Brussels, Nice, Munich, Ansbach, Saint-Etienne, Berlin, Stockholm and Manchester perhaps they might change their tune a little bit.

You are consistent, I'll give you that much.

can you provide proof of me "defending the indefensible"
thought not.
i condemn any attacks whoever they may be caried out by. there is no excuse to attack innocent people. ever.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 09:22PM

I am India
I am Charlie
I am Paris
I am Orlando
I am Brussels
I am Nice
I am Munich
I am Berlin
I am Westminster
I am Barcelona
I am tired

I want our political leaders to tackle this problem and to tackle it they must first admit we have one.

This shouldn't be "part and parcel of life in a major city" like that twit Sadiq Khan stated recently.

Sweet Prince · 17-08-2017 09:23PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

You dont sound very stable. Is there an action plan here somewhere?

Youre misinterpreting complete and utter frustration with "unstable".

In my opinion, I have identified the real problem. That's all it takes, is for people to actually fully comprehend the problem, and the most efficient/expedient route to answering the problem.

As long as people are arguing over what the problem even IS, then nothing will be done to solve the problem. Like everything in life.

The mechanisms and wheels necessary to turn in order to solve this problem are complex. Nobody on boards is going to make a 5 point list that solves this imported terrorism. But it isn't 'the complexity of the mechanism stalling everything, its the lack of resolve to start the machine.

A car is a complex machine too. But it needs only a push of the accelerator to get it all working. We, as in Europe, are just arguing over how complex a car is, what piston does what, 5 different people stabbing their feet down on all three pedals at once. No wonder nothing is happening.

United resolve, that's what we need. And if some just wont agree to the common good, then theres no need to entertain them forever.

AnneFrank · 17-08-2017 09:26PM

People worship mohammad ali, yet he was one of the first hate speakers for Islam, Muslims view is warped, even the ones who won't act violently

Spanish Eyes · 17-08-2017 09:32PM

Divelment wrote: »

It won't make any difference, you could close off every street in the country, if these guys want to kill people they will do it, you close off the streets and they'll just get three or four of them to go buy 40 litres of petrol, split it up between them and they'll go into a packed pub and set fire to themselves and the petrol at the exact same time and create a fireball that will turn the entire pub up into an inferno before anyone has the chance to even get out of the place.

So then what do you do?!? Do you start body searching everyone who wishes to visit a public place, be it a busy city street or a museum or a busy pub in town?!? Do you start banning people wearing jackets or carrying backpacks, so that the risk of terror attacks is reduced by a small amount?!?

This is my whole point, this is the madness that we are being now not just asked to accept, but TOLD that we have to accept, in order to preserve these "core EU values" of multiculturism! Has anyone asked us to we want further multiculturalism?!? Has anyone asked us what further basic freedoms and fundamental civil rights we are prepared to surrender so that we can continue embracing something that we were never even asked did we want in the first place, this "multiculturalism"?!?

We are not allowed to discuss this for one reason and one reason only, the entire EU political class, including our own tossers, are terrified that people will start joining up the obvious dots and voting them out of power. It's like when Bishop Brennan got kicked up the arse, the strategy of dealing with the repercussions of the event was to pretend that the entire thing never happened!

Worrying thoughts there, but not outside of anyone's radar either.

How do we continue to live in a free society without curtailing all free movement (sorry that was not a Brexit ref).

But at the ver least minimum precautions would be good. You just have to look at the Westminster Bridge atrocity. Right beside the Houses of Parliament, and no bollards to protect pedestrians at all.

There are ways to provide protection from battering rams, sorry vans, and it doesn't take too much to organise it either.

Danzy · 17-08-2017 09:33PM

These are just the early days of this escalating problem, just imagine the chaos when the push comes to start targeting School Kids or as AlQaeda recently called for derailing trains.

The potential for mayhem in Society that exists goes way beyond a Transit van on a crowded pathway.

As easy as that is, there are others that will prove more lethal, even harder to prevent.

BillyBobBS · 17-08-2017 09:37PM

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything"

~Albert Einstein.

Cian_ok · 17-08-2017 09:38PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I can't stand the IRA but even I can see that. The IRA goal was a United Ireland, they came to the table and negotiated terms for peace when it wasn't coming to anything. ISIS don't seem to stand for any political thing except Islam must rule over everyone and everything and dominate the very fabric of society.

Um. That last sentence is how the Unionists in NI feel about the IRA and a United Ireland. Except swap Catholic for Islam.

Will I Am Not · 17-08-2017 09:40PM

Keep talking about the IRA. It makes everything else ok...

AnneFrank · 17-08-2017 09:40PM

Cian_ok wrote: »

Um. That last sentence is how the Unionists in NI feel about the IRA and a United Ireland. Except swap Catholic for Islam.

Cian, give over, there is no comparison to the Ira, stop digging a hole for yourself

Danzy · 17-08-2017 09:41PM

murpho999 wrote: »

What you are saying is untrue and you know it.

Islam does not encourage killing non-believers.

Have you every been to an Islamic country?

I worked in Saudi Arabia for a bit, didn't see much as I was based outside Medina and as a non-believer I could not enter.

Probably one of the most deranged and oppressive societies that I have ever come across, the views there that are mainstream are as far right as you'll get anywhere on the world.

The views expressed on TV, calling for this group to be killed and that group should be killed, lots of different enemies and groups of sinners and if you say they should all be killed, you'll be as popular as a man buying rounds all night in Ireland.

Mr.Crinklewood · 17-08-2017 09:42PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Keep talking about the IRA. It makes everything else ok...

Those Irish bastards.

Will I Am Not · 17-08-2017 09:44PM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Those Irish bastards.

They're not real Irishmen.

Divelment · 17-08-2017 09:46PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Worrying thoughts there, but not outside of anyone's radar either.

How do we continue to live in a free society without curtailing all free movement (sorry that was not a Brexit ref).

But at the ver least minimum precautions would be good. You just have to look at the Westminster Bridge atrocity. Right beside the Houses of Parliament, and no bollards to protect pedestrians at all.

There are ways to provide protection from battering rams, sorry vans, and it doesn't take too much to organise it either.

There is another and much easier way of doing it, the way they are doing it in Poland and in Hungary. They have refused to accept ANYTHING on the long list of problems that comes with trying to integrate Muslims into their society and it's simply not up for negotiation.

So no need for security bollards on every street, no need to tell their citizens that they can't bring a backpack to a football game, no need for the likes of what is happening in Paris tonight where there are armed military personnel on every street, no need to pay 10,000 intelligence officers to try keep tabs on 3,000 extremists or people who may be carrying extremist views.

ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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