Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

marcus001 · 15-08-2017 01:33PM

I think Cersei and Dany will both agree to a truce. Cersei needs a time to rebuild her army. Euron on the other hand is a wild card. I think they'll agree to a truce and then Euron will break it.

Pugzilla · 15-08-2017 01:36PM

Cersei mentioned to Jaime about defeating their enemies like their father did (Red Wedding).
That possibly implies setting up a trap when she meets Daenarys.
Euron could be involved in it.

expectationlost · 15-08-2017 01:47PM

Penn wrote: »

Dany's still not fully behind Jon's mission or the fight against the White Walkers. She's clearly willing to help him to an extent, even letting Jorah go off with him, but Dany's not going to risk riding a dragon north of the Wall. Not when full-blown war against Cersei is on the cards, and that's Dany's priority.

She believes Jon. But she's only looking as far as King's Landing, at least until some sort of truce with Cersei is agreed to. Otherwise, Dany wants to take the throne, and then deal with the White Walkers later.

but she is also fallling in love with him and is clearly concerned for his safety, she so concerned for safety for something she doesn't think is a threat?, if as Jon later says he has to convince both Queens surely he should say, fly up there it will only take you a few hours and have a look for yourself.

pickarooney · 15-08-2017 01:49PM

GBX wrote: »

Or Wun Wun

Beric will die and get resurrected by the night long but as he was already a zombie he'll become a human.

I just don't get this plan at all. Even if they are to pull it off, what is Cersei supposed to think? She has her own zombie maker so why would this impress her?

homerun_homer · 15-08-2017 01:51PM

What is the crack with the wights getting beyond the wall? Benjen couldn't pass because of the magic. In season 1 a reanimated corpse attacked Mormont and Jon.
So, if they capture a wight or a white walker, can it pass the wall while it is still standing and the magic unbroken, or would it get south and be actually dead?

Missandei · 15-08-2017 01:53PM

*SPOILERS*

People who have looked at the L+R=J theory will know what I'm talking about!!!

lawred2 · 15-08-2017 01:53PM

what's with the army of the dead travelling a glacial speeds?

Jon can traverse Westeros in moments... and these lads seem to get no closer to the wall.

flazio · 15-08-2017 01:54PM

GBX wrote: »

Or Wun Wun

Or Hodor

challengemaster · 15-08-2017 01:56PM

pickarooney wrote: »

I just don't get this plan at all. Even if they are to pull it off, what is Cersei supposed to think? She has her own zombie maker so why would this impress her?

It's not supposed to impress her, it's supposed to convince her that the army of the undead is real and not a fairytale just for kids. At the minute she doesn't believe its real. But with proof, Dany/Tyrion want to convince her to put the war for the throne on hold, send their resources north and commit fully to fighting the undead

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 01:56PM

lawred2 wrote: »

what's with the army of the dead travelling a glacial speeds?

Jon can traverse Westeros in moments... and these lads seem to get no closer to to wall.

They're in gathering mode is how I took it. The north is massive. Zombies are slow. Corpses are everywhere. Including animals as well.

Missandei · 15-08-2017 01:58PM

marcus001 wrote: »

I think Cersei and Dany will both agree to a truce. Cersei needs a time to rebuild her army. Euron on the other hand is a wild card. I think they'll agree to a truce and then Euron will break it.

Euron is out of control and all he wants is power. I agree with your theory but I'm not so sure that Cersei will keep her word either. She is her fathers daughter, after all.

Agricola · 15-08-2017 02:02PM

You have to feel sorry for Jorah. Seven seasons of history with Dany, he's been to hell and back for her and what's his reward when he finally gets back....... to see her drooling all over Jon Snow!

Pacing is ridiculous now. Really spoiling all the great building work that was done in previous years. No reason why this season can't be 10 episodes, theres plenty of headroom to slow things down a bit. For Jon to be at Dragonstone at the beginning of the ep and then heading beyond the wall at the end is just too rushed. Similarly Gendry. From nowhere to being part of the group going North in one episode??

Arya and Sansa conflict feels too contrived. Admittedly they weren't the closest sisters in S1 but after all has happened to them and their family, this cold, detached relationship after the reunion feels wrong. You'd have to hope that Arya will see through it and the storyline will lead to the downfall of Littlefinger, otherwise it will seem very forced.
Since things have diverged from the books, the writing is going awry definitely.

Knex* · 15-08-2017 02:05PM

lawred2 wrote: »

For me - that episode was ridiculous from start to finish.

It's clear now that the 'entertainment' industry has buried it's claws into GoT. The script writing is poor and the dialogue is seriously flat.

I know we've grown accustomed to teleportation being a thing in GoT. But the distances being travelled in minutes at this stage are becoming discombobulating.

And how did Jaime and Bronn surface about 5 miles from the battle site.. And Jaime still wearing armour. Did they walk along the bottom? I know this is fantasy but come on? Ludicrous escape acts were never a thing.

Going north to capture one of those dead lads to bring to Cersei who couldn't care less... Who is writing this stuff?

And Jon is north of the wall again.. Just like dat... It's all gone a bit Tommy Cooper.

And apparently the hound gets arrested without a fight now.

I'm worried for the rest of the show. I think the industry men are killing the golden goose.

I don't know what to make of the episode, and this season in general. I find myself rolling my eyes and muttering, "Oh for **** sake", whereas that never happened to me in previous seasons.

Show seems cheapened, or a lot more cheesy even in terms of its music, dialogue and scene structures. Like the music that belted out when Jon was looking at the dragon flying overhead. Some of the beauty about GoT is that it avoided all the cliched stuff, and yet this season it seems to be running headlong into it.

The pacing of the show is just all over the place. You can tell the directors want to just get the story done with.

Kirby · 15-08-2017 02:13PM

Missandei wrote: »

*SPOILERS*

People who have looked at the L+R=J theory will know what I'm talking about!!!

That stopped becoming a theory a long time ago. I don't know how more obvious the show could make it? I mean they literally told us.

Penn · 15-08-2017 02:19PM

homerun_homer wrote: »

What is the crack with the wights getting beyond the wall? Benjen couldn't pass because of the magic. In season 1 a reanimated corpse attacked Mormont and Jon.
So, if they capture a wight or a white walker, can it pass the wall while it is still standing and the magic unbroken, or would it get south and be actually dead?

I asked same earlier. It seems most likely that the wights can pass the wall, but the White Walkers (and Benjen due to whatever happened him) can't due to whatever magic was built into the Wall. So it's possible Jon et al could capture a wight and bring it through the wall.

It would also explain why the Night King hasn't launched his attack yet and is waiting North of the Wall. The wights might be able to get through, but he and the white walkers can't.

benny79 · 15-08-2017 02:40PM

Penn wrote: »

I asked same earlier. It seems most likely that the wights can pass the wall, but the White Walkers (and Benjen due to whatever happened him) can't due to whatever magic was built into the Wall. So it's possible Jon et al could capture a wight and bring it through the wall.

It would also explain why the Night King hasn't launched his attack yet and is waiting North of the Wall. The wights might be able to get through, but he and the white walkers can't.

My theory is if they can't pass the wall, who's to say they cant go around it as in the ocean! (sure how can there be a war with them if they cant pass the wall!) plus I feel the reason they are so slow is they are waiting for winter to come seems to me they can only travel in winter as I cant picture them strolling around Kings Langon on a summers evening! plus all the references to winter is coming throughout the whole thing!

Look I love GOT the only thing I thought that was ridiculous so far was the opening scene with jaime & bronn you mean to tell me they swam about 2 miles especially Jamie with all that armour! Thats ridiculous they jumped in right in front of Danny she didnt capture or chase them and hasn't evening mentioned it!

I've read over all 15 pages and can't believe that there's not much mentioned about it apart from 1 or 2. Considering it was the talk of last weeks episode!

Squeeonline · 15-08-2017 02:55PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I recognised the line straight away. It's one of little fingers best exchanges with another character. Why does everything need to be explained to people.

Isn't this because it was shown in the opening refresher bit? Otherwise I might not have caught it.

Ping Chow Chi · 15-08-2017 02:59PM

The dragons head did come between Danny and Jamie obscuring her view, but probably not Tyrion's, which is why he knew that they were alive. Maybe there is a deleted scene where Tyrion tells Danny that he saw Jamie leap into the water before the flames hit him, but by the time Tyrion mentions this to Danny, Jamie has long gone.

Missandei · 15-08-2017 03:01PM

Kirby wrote: »

That stopped becoming a theory a long time ago. I don't know how more obvious the show could make it? I mean they literally told us.

I know that, but now they have written proof and not just Brans information on it.

Missandei · 15-08-2017 03:04PM

Kirby wrote: »

That stopped becoming a theory a long time ago. I don't know how more obvious the show could make it? I mean they literally told us.

Also, I reckon that Martell girl Cersei poisoned will turn into a White Walker before Jon and the others return with one.

corkie · 15-08-2017 03:07PM

Penn wrote: »

I asked same earlier. It seems most likely that the wights can pass the wall, but the White Walkers (and Benjen due to whatever happened him) can't due to whatever magic was built into the Wall. So it's possible Jon et al could capture a wight and bring it through the wall.

It would also explain why the Night King hasn't launched his attack yet and is waiting North of the Wall. The wights might be able to get through, but he and the white walkers can't.

benny79 wrote: »

My theory is if they can't pass the wall, who's to say they cant go around it as in the ocean! (sure how can there be a war with them if they cant pass the wall!) plus I feel the reason they are so slow is they are waiting for winter to come seems to me they can only travel in winter as I cant picture them strolling around Kings Langon on a summers evening! plus all the references to winter is coming throughout the whole thing!

Look I love GOT the only thing I thought that was ridiculous so far was the opening scene with jaime & bronn you mean to tell me they swam about 2 miles especially Jamie with all that armour! Thats ridiculous they jumped in right in front of Danny she didnt capture or chase them and hasn't evening mentioned it!

I've read over all 15 pages and can't believe that there's not much mentioned about it apart from 1 or 2. Considering it was the talk of last weeks episode!

Read a theory some where that in the opening credits: -

..... there is a scene where the Ocean is frozen near eastwatch and once that happens, the army of the dead will be able to walk around the wall! Not frozen in the latest episode, but in prior episodes it was!

Mitch Connor · 15-08-2017 03:10PM

corkie wrote: »

Read a theory some where that in the opening credits: -
..... there is a scene where the Ocean is frozen near eastwatch and once that happens, the army of the dead will be able to walk around the wall!

That was shown to be fog, not forst/ice, i believe.

prawnsambo · 15-08-2017 03:10PM

corkie wrote: »

Read a theory some where that in the opening credits: -
..... there is a scene where the Ocean is frozen near eastwatch and once that happens, the army of the dead will be able to walk around the wall!

That's been dismissed as fog. Jon's ship wouldn't have got through if that were ice.

BetsyEllen · 15-08-2017 03:13PM

I have a question and it may be a stupid one.

BUT...Jon Snow always says to burn the dead. In case of it turning into an 'undead'.

There were people killed by the Dothraki that were not burnt by Drogon...would it not be easier to get hold of a body and let it 'turn' instead of travelling North to capture a walker?

prawnsambo · 15-08-2017 03:16PM

BetsyEllen wrote: »

I have a question and it may be a stupid one.

BUT...Jon Snow always says to burn the dead. In case of it turning into an 'undead'.

There were people killed by the Dothraki that were not burnt by Drogon...would it not be easier to get hold of a body and let it 'turn' instead of travelling North to capture a walker?

That's not how it works. They either have to be killed by a wight or resurrected by a white walker.

GavRedKing · 15-08-2017 03:17PM

BetsyEllen wrote: »

I have a question and it may be a stupid one.

BUT...Jon Snow always says to burn the dead. In case of it turning into an 'undead'.

There were people killed by the Dothraki that were not burnt by Drogon...would it not be easier to get hold of a body and let it 'turn' instead of travelling North to capture a walker?

That was only when Jon was at the Wall or north of it, the night king cant turn people from the south, when hes behind the wall, as far as we know.

OneOfThem Stumbled · 15-08-2017 03:18PM

Knex. wrote: »

I don't know what to make of the episode, and this season in general. I find myself rolling my eyes and muttering, "Oh for **** sake", whereas that never happened to me in previous seasons.

Show seems cheapened, or a lot more cheesy even in terms of its music, dialogue and scene structures. Like the music that belted out when Jon was looking at the dragon flying overhead. Some of the beauty about GoT is that it avoided all the cliched stuff, and yet this season it seems to be running headlong into it.

The pacing of the show is just all over the place. You can tell the directors want to just get the story done with.

Jon to be crowned in ruins of Red Keep in couple of episodes' time after marrying Dany, defeating the Nights King and everybody celebrating after Jamie kills Cersei, and Theon kills Euron. Also Sam marries Gilly and claims the Reach as the heir to both Tyrell and Tarly lands.

Some men take their writing more seriously than others

Oh btw, that's not spoilers, just my predictions, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's how it plays out. Yuck.

Missandei · 15-08-2017 03:20PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

as far as we know.

yep

AlmightyCushion · 15-08-2017 03:23PM

benny79 wrote: »

My theory is if they can't pass the wall, who's to say they cant go around it as in the ocean! (sure how can there be a war with them if they cant pass the wall!) plus I feel the reason they are so slow is they are waiting for winter to come seems to me they can only travel in winter as I cant picture them strolling around Kings Langon on a summers evening! plus all the references to winter is coming throughout the whole thing!

I really hope that doesn't happen. They built a big, fúck off wall made of ice and magic to keep them out and it turns out they can just walk around it. Seems a bit of a cheap way for the white walkers to overcome it.

Santan · 15-08-2017 03:27PM

They should have just had the hound say after walking through the gate " so what are we some kind of c##ting suicide squad

Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

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