Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

marcus001 · 15-08-2017 01:25AM

CastorTroy wrote: »

So who thinks Cersei is lying about being pregnant because she thinks Jaime will side with the enemy? Of course that lie can only last so long. Unless she really is pregnant and did it just to keep Jaime. Either way it's out of selfishness and fear.

Considering the amount of fast travel being used in the latest episodes it's going to present a real glaring problem when Jon has travelled to the Wall and back and Cersei still isn't showing.

expectationlost · 15-08-2017 01:27AM

Dany's 'oh I don't want to lose you Jon' look was very unsublte.

marcus001 · 15-08-2017 01:28AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Another good episode for me. Loads in it.

Producers can't win. For years people have been complaining of slow pacing, filler dragging on etc.

Now it's zipping along and people are still not happy.

For me, the previous seasons have been been scene setters and character developments for what we're seeing now.

The Game of Thrones is in full swing and has begun. Less character development (have any major new characters been introduced this season?) and on with the plot.

As for time, I don't worry about it, I just take it that it's moving along and not all scenes are shown in chronological order.

Only think I struggle with is referencing back to items like Sansa's note to Robb Stark in Season 1. I can't remember them and need forums like this to refresh me. Do writers expect people to remember all the details?

It's almost as if we want a consistent pace as opposed to hours of useless filler and worthless characters before they give us the cliff notes of the important parts.

J. Marston · 15-08-2017 01:37AM

expectationlost wrote: »

Dany's 'oh I don't to lose you Jon' look was very unsublte.

She makes Tormund look subtle. Mad for nephew D she is.

Daledge · 15-08-2017 02:22AM

I can deal with the change of pace, in fact I'm actually enjoying it. But what really annoyed me about this episode is that no one even looked for Jaime. He would have been huge to have as a prisoner plus he just came meters away from taking out Dany. I want to see her reaction after Jaime and bronn end up in the water. For anyone that suggests plot armour I also have to disagree as I think it would have made for extremely entertaining dialogue plus it would be interest to see tyrions stance.

15-08-2017 02:51AM

That scene with Jon and Drogon, with Dany judging, was just like when myself and the OH were dating in the early days, and she first introduced me to her Pyrenean Mountain Dog. She observed as I was sniffed, sussed-out and chosen not to be killed right there on the spot.

Once the "magnificent beast" accepted me and I didn't move swiftly in its opposite direction, my days were made with the OH. Years later, by my own desire, we now have a second Pyrenean. Jon will become very fond of the dragons, mark my words!

So I can totally relate to that scene from GoT with Jon the Resurrected King, Dany the Unburnt Dragonqueen, and Drogon the jet-sized dragon. :pac:

All joking aside though, I think that was part the intention of that scene. Dany is warming to Jon, romantically IMO. His reaction to Drogon, and Drogon's reaction to Jon, are factors which contribute to those feelings. I think Jon would go there too, but as he said in a recent episode himself when Davos suggested it to him: "Who has time for that now?"

It will be interesting to see Jon and Dany's reaction when they finally find out that they are closely related. Thankfully, that's one myself and the OH didn't have to contend with.

LastLagoon · 15-08-2017 07:09AM

Gendry ,ugh,who let the throne cast audience into the writers room,lame fan service.
Hopefully he wont make it back over the wall

Mokuba · 15-08-2017 07:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It will be interesting to see Jon and Dany's reaction when they finally find out that they are closely related. Thankfully, that's one myself and the OH didn't have to contend with.

It's Targ tradition anyway to keep it in the family. I'm sure this will be pointed out by say Tyrion or someone similar. Sure Dany and Rhaegar are products of incest.

Digital Solitude · 15-08-2017 07:31AM

*Wrong thread, sorry

15-08-2017 07:44AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There's a whiff of misogyny about these sentiments. Too often female characters are derided for things that male characters would be lauded for.

Jesus christ, get a grip. Wight Knighting

lazybones32 · 15-08-2017 08:10AM

Pugzilla wrote: »

That's a too simplistic view.

It wasn't the rear of the army, the bulk of the Lannister army was smashed and routed. 10,000 lannister soldiers plus whatever force the Tarlys had commited. Randyll Tarly, probably their best general is dead. The Unsullied are now free to link up with the Dothraki. In a single stroke, Cersei has lost her hold on the Reach and Daenarys has free reign outside the Crownlands.

The number of soldiers who took shields and spears against the horde was nowhere near the amount shown against olenna. The gold, the reason for the battle, was safely into KL and the more important item will have a greater escort.
The dothraki card has been played; they won't be of much use now...unless they can build and operate siegeworks against KL. The unsullied will come back, less than went out, but they can't be replenished. Again, they are infantry, not fit for taking fixed positions in a frontal assault.

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 08:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus christ, get a grip. Wight Knighting

Touch a nerve?

Ann22 · 15-08-2017 08:39AM

Mokuba wrote:

It's Targ tradition anyway to keep it in the family. I'm sure this will be pointed out by say Tyrion or someone similar. Sure Dany and Rhaegar are products of incest.

Are they? Do you mean Dany and Viserys? Rhaegar was their brother. Who was their mother...was there any mention of her?

Penn · 15-08-2017 08:41AM

expectationlost wrote: »

ok capture a wight out of the army of the dead and white walkers wtf is their plan to do that?

Benjen said something abut there being magic built into the Wall which meant he couldn't pass through it. Even if they capture a wight, will it turn into a bunch of bones once they go trough the wall?

Or even worse, will dragging a wight through the Wall be the very thing that allows the Night King and his army to then pass through it themselves?

Mickeroo · 15-08-2017 08:44AM

Penn wrote: »

Benjen said something abut there being magic built into the Wall which meant he couldn't pass through it. Even if they capture a wight, will it turn into a bunch of bones once they go trough the wall?

Or even worse, will dragging a wight through the Wall be the very thing that allows the Night King and his army to then pass through it themselves?

A wight already came through the wall in season one (or was it two?), when it attacked Jon and Commander Mormont. Benjen is a good bit different to the wights from what we've seen anyway in that he's sentient at least, maybe he's closer to an actual white walker and they're the ones who can't get through rather than the garden variety zombie/wights.

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 08:48AM

Ann22 wrote: »

Are they? Do you mean Dany and Viserys? Rhaegar was their brother. Who was their mother...was there any mention of her?

The last Targaryen to marry outside the family was Dany's great-grandfather. Maester Aemon's brother to be exact. Her grandfather married his sister and so did her father Aerys.

super_furry · 15-08-2017 08:53AM

I think they'll be bringing a wight back alright but it'll be one of their own. The Jorah redemption story arc seems to have been completed and I reckon he'll 'die' over that side of the wall and be brought back to rise as a white walker.

Ping Chow Chi · 15-08-2017 08:54AM

man, that would be a cold thing to do to Jorah!

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 08:54AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

A wight already came through the wall in season one (or was it two?), when it attacked Jon and Commander Mormont. Benjen is a good bit different to the wights from what we've seem anyway in that he's sentient at least, maybe he's closer to an actual white walker and they're the ones who can't get through rather than the garden variety zombie/wights.

They brought it through though, didn't they? I think it was a couple of night's watchmen that had been killed by wights and they found their bodies and brought them back.

murpho999 · 15-08-2017 08:55AM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I recognised the line straight away. It's one of little fingers best exchanges with another character. Why does everything need to be explained to people.

Good for you but not everybody has the memory of an elephant. A lot of conversations have happened in this show over 6 previous seasons and it's impossible to remember them all.

The explanation of "chaos is a ladder" was also given on last week's "Thronecast" on Sky and many people including cast members did not spot it or remember the conversation between Littlefinger and Varys. It's completely normal to be that way.

Mickeroo · 15-08-2017 08:56AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The last Targaryen to marry outside the family was Dany's great-grandfather. Maester Aemon's brother to be exact. Her grandfather married his sister and so did her father Aerys.

Not if yerman who recorded all his poops is to be believed :pac:

Mokuba · 15-08-2017 08:59AM

Ann22 wrote: »

Are they? Do you mean Dany and Viserys? Rhaegar was their brother. Who was their mother...was there any mention of her?

All 3.

Dany, Rhaegar and Viserys parents (Mad King Aerys and Rhaella) were also brother and sister. I didn't mention Viserys earlier as he isn't relevant to the story anymore.

They have been inbreeding for generations to preserve the bloodline.

So it's pretty much custom and I'm sure there'll be somebody to point it out should the simmering between Jon and Dany boil over before the series end.

Edit - Didn't see your question about what happened to Rhaella. She died giving birth to Dany on Dragonstone.

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 09:00AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Not if yerman who recorded all his poops is to be believed :pac:

Well that was only a change of horse in mid race

. His first wife was a Martell. In a direct line to Dany and Rhaegar, Aegon V was the last one.

brevity · 15-08-2017 09:08AM

I'd love if the next episode just focused on the lads beyond the wall.

murpho999 · 15-08-2017 09:09AM

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

You're just making up stuff to suit your POV.

Iirc there were very little complaints from S1-4.

People rightfully complained about the huge drop off in quality in S5 (until the last 2/3 episodes).

People rightfully complained about the continued drop off in quality in S6 (first half of season at least).

And people are rightfully complaining about the ridiculous pick-up in pace and incredible inconsistencies in S7, many of which are pointed out in this thread and threads that come before them, some of which are not.

And the only counter argument seems to be along the lines of "just get on with it ffs," which quite frankly is a load of bollocks. People are entitled to point out the glaring inconsistencies and debate them on this board, it's whole f*cking point of the place.

Plenty of times people have complained about the pacing of the show. You only have to look at the comments for Episode 1 of this season to see this.

Would also disagree about Season 5 which is one of my favourite seasons and also one of the most universally critically acclaimed so you are also twisting things to suit your POV.

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 09:11AM

brevity wrote: »

I'd love if the next episode just focused on the lads beyond the wall.

Well

if the trailer is to be believed, you'll get your wish.

murpho999 · 15-08-2017 09:25AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Well
if the trailer is to be believed, you'll get your wish.

Won't next week's be the equivalent of an Episode 9?

Thus an epic penultimate episode?

CMOTDibbler · 15-08-2017 09:39AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Won't next week's be the equivalent of an Episode 9.

Thus an epic penultimate episode?

It probably won't be a

Battle of the Bastards; almost one location episode. But I would say most of the action will be north of the wall.

5star02707 · 15-08-2017 09:40AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Won't next week's be the equivalent of an Episode 9.

Thus an epic penultimate episode?

That's right, penultimate episode which means something "interesting" will happen i think it is given someone WILL die on episode 6.

Penn · 15-08-2017 09:59AM

5star02707 wrote: »

That's right, penultimate episode which means something "interesting" will happen i think it is given someone WILL die on episode 6.

Yeah unfortunately I don't see all of Jon's Bastardhood Without Banners making it back alive. Like someone else said, it's possible the wight they bring back will be one of them who was turned. Could have more of an impact on Cersei being able to recognise the person who was turned into a wight.

Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Non book readers"

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