All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Motivator · 14-08-2017 11:04PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Whoever loses the final could set them back a few years before they have another crack.

Thats why I think this is a intriguing final, cause whoever loses will find it very tough to come back from it.

I always heard some stories about Waterford in 1963 and that some members of that team took bribes. I heard that from Waterford people and where im from as one of those alleged player's lived and died in North Cork. Of course nothing beats a good GAA stories.

Always heard some stories? I've never once heard that story from anyone - from any county.

Wouldn't have thought mad rumours would have been popular back in '63.

The_Kew_Tour · 14-08-2017 11:08PM

Motivator wrote: »

Always heard some stories? I've never once heard that story from anyone - from any county.

Wouldn't have thought mad rumours would have been popular back in '63.

Of course nothing beats good story but growing up heard that one few times. Again could be just a nice spin to it. Once Cork did not do it don't care:P

mezzz · 14-08-2017 11:12PM

it's gonna be an easy day out for galway,

game over by half-time

galway by 10

joe canning 2-4

jelutong · 14-08-2017 11:12PM

skytl wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0813/897163-gleeson-helmet-incident/
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/eddie-brennan-doesnt-believe-brian-10772418
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0724/892714-brennan/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/henry-shefflin-sweeper-system-is-limited-and-will-not-deliver-september-silverware-360299.html
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0811/896636-richie-power-column/
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/elark...ntenders/#umn/
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gae...them-1.3121405
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/kdaly...ting-kilkenny/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/g...ls-444543.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gael...-34888280.html

Nonsense and anti Waterford punditry from ex Kilkenny players

Could you ask some ex Waterford county players for their views on Austin Gleesons behaviour yesterday in the interest of balanced punditry?

road_high · 14-08-2017 11:13PM

mezzz wrote: »

it's gonna be an easy day out for galway,

game over by half-time

galway by 10

I don't think it'll be that easy, somehow :pac:

The_Kew_Tour · 14-08-2017 11:15PM

Galway by 2 if a gun was put to my head, but if Waterford have fully fit team it might be their year.

threeball · 14-08-2017 11:18PM

Robson99 wrote: »

He ccould have taken the eye out of his head. Why did he need to do it. It was deliberate, malicious and cowardly
The rule should be for pulling on the guard. Its the eyes and mouth you need to protect.
If Gleeson gets away with this they would be as well to forget about wearing helmets altogether

Its the most cut and dry one I've probably ever seen and could have been exceptionally dangerous. I think if it was any other game bar the semi final there is no way its overlooked. Gaa politics being what it is, its a pure guessing game as to how this will go.

Motivator · 14-08-2017 11:18PM

jelutong wrote: »

Could you ask some ex Waterford county players for their views on Austin Gleesons behaviour yesterday in the interest of balanced punditry?

I think you'll find they'll all agree he had a poor game in the first half. But like any true genius he got his moment with his awesome point and then he just took control of the game in the last 20 minutes.

Great hurler.

skytl · 14-08-2017 11:26PM

jelutong wrote: »

Could you ask some ex Waterford county players for their views on Austin Gleesons behaviour yesterday in the interest of balanced punditry?

What behaviour?

He pulled a helmet, something that happened quickly over a split second.

To slow it down into slow motion, freeze the image etc in an effort to prove that Austin Gleeson should be suspended for an All Ireland final is an absolute disgrace.

Is this what the GAA has come to?

Not only trying to get a player banned from an All Ireland but, as many are, taking pleasure in it?

The bitterness is becoming more and more like the keyboard warriors who follow Premier League soccer.

The only thing they forget is that Austin doesn't get a big wage packet at the end of every week.

The abuse that he has got on social media over the last 24 hours is shameful to read.

Anyone who knows Austin knows he's as dedicated to hurling and this team as can be.

Often up in the school with the kids encouraging them and helping them with their hurling.

And then clowns who have nothing better to do flippantly give his abuse and call for him to be banned from an All Ireland, over something minor, on the internet.

Then, ex players twist the knife in live on national television.

The only kind of person who would like to see Austin banned is someone who is jealous or bitter.

Robson99 · 14-08-2017 11:26PM

threeball wrote: »

Its the most cut and dry one I've probably ever seen and could have been exceptionally dangerous. I think if it was any other game bar the semi final there is no way its overlooked. Gaa politics being what it is, its a pure guessing game as to how this will go.

I think Galway will win and I would rather the two Gleesons be playing. The reaction of the Waterford fans now I would hate to be listening to all the if Austin was playing and if Conor was playing and if Touhy was banned.
Best 15 on 15 and Galway still win

Robson99 · 14-08-2017 11:29PM

skytl wrote: »

What behaviour?

He pulled a helmet, something that happened quickly over a split second.

To slow it down into slow motion, freeze the image etc in an effort to prove that Austin Gleeson should be suspended for an All Ireland final is an absolute disgrace.

Is this what the GAA has come to?

Not only trying to get a player banned from an All Ireland but, as many are, taking pleasure in it?

The bitterness is becoming more and more like the keyboard warriors who follow Premier League soccer.

The only thing they forget is that Austin doesn't get a big wage packet at the end of every week.

The abuse that he has got on social media over the last 24 hours is shameful to read.

Anyone who knows Austin knows he's as dedicated to hurling and this team as can be.

Often up in the school with the kids encouraging them and helping them with their hurling.

And then clowns who have nothing better to do flippantly give his abuse and call for him to be banned from an All Ireland, over something minor, on the internet.

Then, ex players twist the knife in live on national television.

The only kind of person who would like to see Austin banned is someone who is jealous or bitter.

One rule for Waterford and another for the rest of the country. We get it

road_high · 14-08-2017 11:33PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I think Galway will win and I would rather the two Gleesons be playing. The reaction of the Waterford fans now I would hate to be listening to all the if Austin was playing and if Conor was playing and if Touchy was banned.
Best 15 on 15 and Galway still win

Yes I agree. Beat them full on and without the incessant what-ifs. They're bad enough as it, can't imagine what it'd be like if they lose and Gleeson had been banned. The "poor us" will go into overdrive :eek: It's already at insufferable levels as it is.

The_Kew_Tour · 14-08-2017 11:55PM

Let it out lads:pac:

Realt Dearg Sec · 15-08-2017 12:30AM

skytl wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0813/897163-gleeson-helmet-incident/
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/eddie-brennan-doesnt-believe-brian-10772418
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0724/892714-brennan/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/henry-shefflin-sweeper-system-is-limited-and-will-not-deliver-september-silverware-360299.html
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0811/896636-richie-power-column/
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/elark...ntenders/#umn/
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gae...them-1.3121405
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/kdaly...ting-kilkenny/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/g...ls-444543.html
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gael...-34888280.html

Nonsense and anti Waterford punditry from ex Kilkenny players

Yeah those Kilkenny lads just love cork.

Waterford people seem to be obsessed with Kilkenny, and convinced that Kilkenny folks are just as obsessed with them. There is no anti Waterford agenda, there never has been. It's in your heads. Every one of the lads you linked would rather Waterford won ten all Irelands on the trot than see diarmuid o Sullivan smiling on a sideline.

road_high · 15-08-2017 12:38AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah those Kilkenny lads just love cork.

Waterford people seem to be obsessed with Kilkenny, and convinced that Kilkenny folks are just as obsessed with them. There is no anti Waterford agenda, there never has been. It's in your heads. Every one of the lads you linked would rather Waterford won ten all Irelands on the trot than see diarmuid o Sullivan smiling on a sideline.

Watching it yesterday with 2 kilkenny people they were firmly behind Waterford- I'd say that was a pretty common view. Kilkenny see Tipp and Cork as the traditional arch rivals and the basic big-bad wolf's to be feared. The Cork-Kilkenny rivalry of the 2000's was as deep and probably bitter as you'd get anywhere!
Waterford provide more bemused bewilderment most of the time. The linked articles are more critical of the Waterford style of play and system, I don't see any personal vendetta- not against a team that hasn't won anything as such yet at any rate.

Bonniedog · 15-08-2017 12:38AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Whoever loses the final could set them back a few years before they have another crack.

Thats why I think this is a intriguing final, cause whoever loses will find it very tough to come back from it.

I always heard some stories about Waterford in 1963 and that some members of that team took bribes for that AI. I heard that from Waterford people and where im from as one of those alleged player's lived and died in North Cork. Of course nothing beats a good GAA stories.

That's a pretty outrageous allegation. Never heard it before and not even sure that it was possible to be on GAA in those times.

Which I assume would be motive.

conor05 · 15-08-2017 12:44AM

''Also how did diarmuid Connolly get off, at his dra hearing two years ago.[/quote]

Connolly got off because Dublin secretary John Costello is one powerful man and Croke Park/DRA would never ruffle Dublin's feathers too much (Croke Parks Cash Cow).
Connolly just didn't bother appealing this summer because he is back for the semi-final anyway.
Waterford do not have the same power within GAA as Dublin, De Burca case is an example of this.

littlevillage · 15-08-2017 12:44AM

and then there were 2.

its going to be a different All Ireland winner than last year and one of the two will be bridging a long gap. It also means that 4 different teams will have won Liam McCarthy in the last 5 years. Hurling is now clearly more democratic than Football...... although back in the early part of this century Hurling was practically on its death bed owing to the sheer dominanace of Kilkenny.

So who's going to win??

I think Galway will sneak it. These are my reasons.

1). Galway Forwards are big men who are good in the air and will not be bullied as easily as Cork were and this will allow them to to rack up a winning tally

2). Galway easily defeated Wexfords packed defensive gameplan & Sweeper system by scoring from distance...They will do the same to Waterford

3). At the start of the year most people thought Tipp were going to retain the Liam McCarthy ... and if they had made it to the final they would be hot favourites to retain it against Waterford. They are not however in the final as Galway beat Tipp twice this year (League Final and Championship Semi Final)

4). Tipp have the most dangerous forwards in the country ... Galway defense contained them, Waterford haven't got anything like Tipps' firepower so I expect Galway will limit Waterford to a small scoreline.

5). Galway have the most influential player in the country this season (Joe Canning) who can do things that few other players around are capable of and who can change a games trajectory if its not going according to plan. Galway also have maybe the country's most improved player this year in corner forward Conor Whelan.

6). Practically every Galway player who will be in Croke park on 3rd Sept has already played in (and lost) an All Ireland final (2005, 2012, 2015) only 2 Waterford players have played in an All Ireland final (Brick & Kevin Moran in 2008), might possibly feed into the preparations and nerves etc. and the theory that you have to lose a few to win one.

7). Waterford preparations are going to be hampered by the suspension of at least one player.

The only thing that might blow a hole in my above ascertains is the fact that Galway have never actually beaten Waterford in a Championship game despite usually going in as favourites and if Waterford were to build up any kind of a lead, say 5 or 6 points they might just spook Galway. Waterford temporarily threatened to wipe the floor with Galway in the League QF they were 11 points up and cruising...Galway were shell shocked... but then Waterford inexplictly took their foot of the gas and allowed Galway back into the game which they eventually won by a couple of points. This just shows that Waterford are capable of spooking Galway and racing into a big lead.

Shurimgreat · 15-08-2017 12:46AM

As a relative neutral with regards hurling, I would be delighted if either Galway or Waterford won the AI this year. It will be refreshing to see either win Liam McCarthy.

BonnieSituation · 15-08-2017 12:56AM

I'm leaning towards wanting Waterford to win. Simply because I can see Galway coming back again... but not hte blaas. It's set up to be some day out and defo one to savour.

spideyman92 · 15-08-2017 01:32AM

Munster98 wrote: »

Hi lads,
My local GAA club has partnered with a Global pharma company to help fundraise. They are offering 50 cent for every one euro spent on a ticket. All we need is the numbers under the barcode on the bottom right hand corner of the ticket. If any could help please private message me any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks john.

Sounds more like you're trying to chance a few barcodes for a few GRMA points.

IanVW · 15-08-2017 07:29AM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/austin-gleeson-to-get-green-light-for-final-as-ref-makes-no-issue-over-helmet-tug-457074.html

djPSB · 15-08-2017 07:58AM

Actually think the whole suspension gate could somewhat benefit Waterford in the build up.

Takes all the pressure off them, develops a siege mentality and the big under dog tag will suit them. Makes McGraths team talk very easy. Takes the emphasis off bridging the 50+ plus gap and puts it on 'Do it for Gleeson'.

Takes all the pressure and lime light off the rest of the players.

Obviously Gleeson would be a huge loss.

tomwaterford · 15-08-2017 08:03AM

djPSB wrote: »

Actually think the whole suspension gate could somewhat benefit Waterford in the build up.

Takes all the pressure off them, develops a siege mentality and the big under dog tag will suit them. Makes McGraths team talk very easy. Takes the emphasis off bridging the 50+ plus gap and puts it on 'Do it for Gleeson'.

Takes all the pressure and lime light off the rest of the players.

Obviously Gleeson would be a huge loss.

If there is to be 1 advantage is...

It limited the back slapping/self congratulating from within waterford and brought the next game into immediate focus

The quality of waterfords passing is nearly forgotten by now :-/

terryrogers · 15-08-2017 08:04AM

skytl wrote: »

What behaviour?

He pulled a helmet, something that happened quickly over a split second.

To slow it down into slow motion, freeze the image etc in an effort to prove that Austin Gleeson should be suspended for an All Ireland final is an absolute disgrace.

Is this what the GAA has come to?

Not only trying to get a player banned from an All Ireland but, as many are, taking pleasure in it?

The bitterness is becoming more and more like the keyboard warriors who follow Premier League soccer.

The only thing they forget is that Austin doesn't get a big wage packet at the end of every week.

The abuse that he has got on social media over the last 24 hours is shameful to read.

Anyone who knows Austin knows he's as dedicated to hurling and this team as can be.

Often up in the school with the kids encouraging them and helping them with their hurling.

And then clowns who have nothing better to do flippantly give his abuse and call for him to be banned from an All Ireland, over something minor, on the internet.

Then, ex players twist the knife in live on national television.

The only kind of person who would like to see Austin banned is someone who is jealous or bitter.

Very much an us vs them attitude here. Most people I've spoken to on this seem be in the mindset that gleeson broke the rule but nobody wants to see him banned. TV pundits illicited the same, hate to see him banned but he stupidly broke the rule.

It's a bit unfair to demonise pundits for calling it as it is and not sitting on the fence. I've yet to hear any knowledgeable person outside of Waterford say that he didn't break the rule and put himself in the firing line. It was an unbelievably stupid decision out of the player and if he does get banned then your ire should be directed at gleeson for letting his team down.

For what it's worth though I think he will get off. It was a harmless incident for me and when you look at it in isolation ignoring the other helmetgate controversies there wasn't much in it and no major complaint from Meade. Brian Gavin was closest to it and he may have a major say in the outcome, and he's the most sensible ref out there so he'll likely side with gleeson.

paddy13 · 15-08-2017 08:18AM

littlevillage wrote: »

and then there were 2.

its going to be a different All Ireland winner than last year and one of the two will be bridging a long gap. It also means that 4 different teams will have won Liam McCarthy in the last 5 years. Hurling is now clearly more democratic than Football...... although back in the early part of this century Hurling was practically on its death bed owing to the sheer dominanace of Kilkenny.

So who's going to win??

I think Galway will sneak it. These are my reasons.

1). Galway Forwards are big men who are good in the air and will not be bullied as easily as Cork were and this will allow them to to rack up a winning tally

2). Galway easily defeated Wexfords packed defensive gameplan & Sweeper system by scoring from distance...They will do the same to Waterford

3). At the start of the year most people thought Tipp were going to retain the Liam McCarthy ... and if they had made it to the final they would be hot favourites to retain it against Waterford. They are not however in the final as Galway beat Tipp twice this year (League Final and Championship Semi Final)

4). Tipp have the most dangerous forwards in the country ... Galway defense contained them, Waterford haven't got anything like Tipps' firepower so I expect Galway will limit Waterford to a small scoreline.

5). Galway have the most influential player in the country this season (Joe Canning) who can do things that few other players around are capable of and who can change a games trajectory if its not going according to plan. Galway also have maybe the country's most improved player this year in corner forward Conor Whelan.

6). Practically every Galway player who will be in Croke park on 3rd Sept has already played in (and lost) an All Ireland final (2005, 2012, 2015) only 2 Waterford players have played in an All Ireland final (Brick & Kevin Moran in 2008), might possibly feed into the preparations and nerves etc. and the theory that you have to lose a few to win one.

7). Waterford preparations are going to be hampered by the suspension of at least one player.

The only thing that might blow a hole in my above ascertains is the fact that Galway have never actually beaten Waterford in a Championship game despite usually going in as favourites and if Waterford were to build up any kind of a lead, say 5 or 6 points they might just spook Galway. Waterford temporarily threatened to wipe the floor with Galway in the League QF they were 11 points up and cruising...Galway were shell shocked... but then Waterford inexplictly took their foot of the gas and allowed Galway back into the game which they eventually won by a couple of points. This just shows that Waterford are capable of spooking Galway and racing into a big lead.[/quoteI'd

Very good post. Before I start, I'm from Waterford. I'd have to agree with almost all the above. But the fact with we dealt with the distraction of Tadgh's appeal process. I'd hope it will help the squad get on on with whatever happens.

Looking at two teams side by side you'd have install Galway as favourites. I'm hopeful we'll but in a big performance. We'll have to wait if it'll be good enough. If not I will be delighted for Galway especially Canning.
Looking forward to build up and game.
Come on the Deise!!!

Hitchens · 15-08-2017 08:57AM

Robson99 wrote: »

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If Gleeson gets away with this they would be as well to forget about wearing helmets altogether

Yeah, nothing to beat seeing your hero spitting out his front teeth

conor05 · 15-08-2017 09:12AM

Gleeson is 100% going to get away with this. He is the next big thing in hurling, and the powers that be in Croke Park will want a Gleeson v Canning build up to the All Ireland.
What he done was wrong, but James Owens has said yesterday when contacted by the CCCC that he was happy how he officiated the game.
That's more or less Gleeson off the hook.
It was all done a bit hush, hush, wink, wink id imagine to make sure he got off!

PTH2009 · 15-08-2017 09:14AM

Fergal Horgan or Colm Lyons (Cork) shortlisted to ref the final ???

Waterford should object if it's Horgan

tomwaterford · 15-08-2017 09:20AM

Hitchens wrote: »

Yeah, nothing to beat seeing your hero spitting out his front teeth

Didn't save seamie callinan?

All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

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