Dairy chit chat II

Sam Kade · 13-08-2017 10:52AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Scanning Tues all going well. Will just re scan any not in calf in a month. Just want to know what I'll have early on. Not sure what I'll do yet numbers wise as culled a few already and good cows gone with tb. May yet ai any autumn maidens to aa if next springs spread is too stretched out

Had a cow come bulling yesterday last ai'd the fourth of June :mad:

milkprofit · 13-08-2017 09:17PM

This freed up the formidable Talbot to concentrate on Glanbia plc's high margin, sexier "performance nutrition" and lucrative infant formula products. But while the plc is flying high with group profits up nearly 5pc in the first half, a 200 basis point reduction in margin in Dairy Ireland - now Glanbia Ireland - drove a near-40pc EBITA decline compared with the prior half-year.
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RedPeppers · 13-08-2017 10:45PM

How much fert are people spreading after the cows at the moment? Growth has slowed down considerably in last week or so round here

pedigree 6 · 13-08-2017 11:59PM

RedPeppers wrote: »

How much fert are people spreading after the cows at the moment? Growth has slowed down considerably in last week or so round here

I'm sorry but growth shouldn't have slowed down.
Mineralisation of what you have in the soil or whatever you spread (limewise) should be kicking in now.
I could easily drop the fert here with growth atm.
But I won't because i'm taking out land for reseeding.
I'm spreading 50kgs/ac pasture sward behind the cows.
But mineralisation has kicked off in a big way here with increased growth rates in the last week and a half.

RedPeppers · 14-08-2017 06:57AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

RedPeppers wrote: »

How much fert are people spreading after the cows at the moment? Growth has slowed down considerably in last week or so round here

I'm sorry but growth shouldn't have slowed down.
Mineralisation of what you have in the soil or whatever you spread (limewise) should be kicking in now.
I could easily drop the fert here with growth atm.
But I won't because i'm taking out land for reseeding.
I'm spreading 50kgs/ac pasture sward behind the cows.
But mineralisation has kicked off in a big way here with increased growth rates in the last week and a half.

A bag of pasture sward to the acre soðŸ˜€

mahoney_j · 14-08-2017 07:35AM

RedPeppers wrote: »

How much fert are people spreading after the cows at the moment? Growth has slowed down considerably in last week or so round here

Blanket spreading 2*'18 6 12 then one final blanket spread of urea hopefully first few days September .growth def not slowing here anyway

oxjkqg · 14-08-2017 08:00AM

Growth has fallen off the cliff in west clare, the amount of rain we have got in the last 3 weeks is ridiculous... even with good soil indexs, very poor weather

pedigree 6 · 14-08-2017 08:05AM

oxjkqg wrote: »

Growth has fallen off the cliff in west clare, the amount of rain we have got in the last 3 weeks is ridiculous... even with good soil indexs, very poor weather

When is the last time you spread lime?

oxjkqg · 14-08-2017 08:09AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

When is the last time you spread lime?

it varies, got 2 tonne out on most of the milking platform 2 years ago, soil sampled last year and results were good, ground conditions are very wet underneath and we would have resonably dry ground! alot more rain got than the rest of the country

pedigree 6 · 14-08-2017 08:28AM

oxjkqg wrote: »

it varies, got 2 tonne out on most of the milking platform 2 years ago, soil sampled last year and results were good, ground conditions are very wet underneath and we would have resonably dry ground! alot more rain got than the rest of the country

The first thing people look at on the soil tests are is the pH.
But the calcium and magnesium levels are the most important thing for all plant growers.
Your pH could be ideal but every bite of grass is a bit of calcium leaving your farm.

We're spoilt in this part of the country with the weather.

oxjkqg · 14-08-2017 08:30AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

The first thing people look at on the soil tests are is the pH.
But the calcium and magnesium levels are the most important thing for all plant growers.
Your pH could be ideal but every bite of grass is a bit of calcium leaving your farm.

We're spoilt in this part of the country with the weather.

Thats very true. What do u recommend for calcium and magnesium, some class of soil conditioner?

whelan2 · 14-08-2017 08:33AM

Look at the growth rates in the journal last week. Big difference in areas. I would ask an advisor before taking advice off internet people who know nothing about your farm..... every farm is different

pedigree 6 · 14-08-2017 08:36AM

oxjkqg wrote: »

Thats very true. What do u recommend for calcium and magnesium, some class of soil conditioner?

Lime.

Calcite lime or dolomitic lime.
In farmers terms calcium lime or magnesium lime.
But even the calcium lime has a certain amount of magnesium in it.
But they have all other elements as well.

Lime and sulphur you can't beat it.

Keepgrowing · 14-08-2017 08:44AM

RedPeppers wrote: »

How much fert are people spreading after the cows at the moment? Growth has slowed down considerably in last week or so round here

Just blanketed the farm with 38 units of Urea. Will spread another bag the first week of sept.

I'll then put MoP on all the 1-3 index K paddocks

whelan2 · 14-08-2017 08:53AM

Last Autumn calvers dried off this morning. Year doesn't be long moving along

blackdog1 · 14-08-2017 10:04AM

I have my last 6 to dry I have one doing 2kg of ms ...I had her scanned Friday again just to be sure. Drying a cow doing 22l is tough.

Icelandicseige · 14-08-2017 12:43PM

Not sure if anyone can give me an answer to this but How much on average would a dairy farmer stocked at a cow/acre spend on fertiliser each year on grass based system?? Anyone?

Signpost · 14-08-2017 12:55PM

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Not sure if anyone can give me an answer to this but How much on average would a dairy farmer stocked at a cow/acre spend on fertiliser each year on grass based system?? Anyone?

What index soil does the farmer have? What land type do they have, as in are they 300 days at grass or 200 days at grass?

Icelandicseige · 14-08-2017 12:59PM

Signpost wrote: »

What index soil does the farmer have? What land type do they have, as in are they 300 days at grass or 200 days at grass?

Soil index of 4 last time tested. Ground was previously in Tillage. Looking for just a ball park figure

Signpost · 14-08-2017 01:15PM

Very ballpark guesstimate, alot smarter people here who will correct me but I'd think

1 bag to acre * 10 grazings = 500kg
Last week I paid:
1 ton of 27-2.5-5 = 340
1 ton CAN - 235 (CAN S + 10)
1 ton 10-10-20 - 380

So very roughly you could average it out to be 150 per acre?

Keepgrowing · 14-08-2017 01:16PM

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Soil index of 4 last time tested. Ground was previously in Tillage. Looking for just a ball park figure

€100 if all urea. That's 6 bags per acre. Extra N required to counteract low OM of former tillage land.

No P&k allotted in that figure. You can substitute as you wish.

Injuryprone · 14-08-2017 01:50PM

I'm not allowed buy compounds, spread can/urea only and spend about €100 per acre on fertiliser

Keepgrowing · 14-08-2017 02:12PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

I'm not allowed buy compounds, spread can/urea only and spend about €100 per acre on fertiliser

How are you maintaining index 4 without compound?

Signpost · 14-08-2017 02:14PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

I'm not allowed buy compounds, spread can/urea only and spend about €100 per acre on fertiliser

Seems like a weird condition of bail or something! Must be some land to sustain farming without any compounds!

freedominacup · 14-08-2017 02:19PM

Signpost wrote: »

Seems like a weird condition of bail or something! Must be some land to sustain farming without any compounds!

We didn't spread any compunds for 30 odd years. Large piggery close by so all the extra p&k we needed available in organic form. Indexes were always good.

Signpost · 14-08-2017 02:21PM

Jesus twould be some luxury to only buy CAN/UREA & still have proper indexes

Would love to have been farming when you could spread chicken dung, would have done the farm a great favour.

Keepgrowing · 14-08-2017 02:26PM

freedominacup wrote: »

We didn't spread any compunds for 30 odd years. Large piggery close by so all the extra p&k we needed available in organic form. Indexes were always good.

I presume you're not in derogation

visatorro · 14-08-2017 02:30PM

Signpost wrote: »

Jesus twould be some luxury to only buy CAN/UREA & still have proper indexes Would love to have been farming when you could spread chicken dung, would have done the farm a great favour.

Can you not still spread it? Just plough it in or get it from an establishment that removes deceased chickens.

freedominacup · 14-08-2017 02:31PM

Signpost wrote: »

Jesus twould be some luxury to only buy CAN/UREA & still have proper indexes Would love to have been farming when you could spread chicken dung, would have done the farm a great favour.

Pig slurry wasn't hauled for nothing. Used less N fertilisers also. The pig slurry was greater than the sum of its parts too. Far better than a compund fert esp in dry weather. Covered sulphur requirements too. Amazingly compound fert is apparently more environmentally friendly. We can spread it but not the pig slurry now.

freedominacup · 14-08-2017 02:34PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I presume you're not in derogation

We're closed out of there for the past four or five years now.

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