Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Jelle1880 · 13-08-2017 10:59PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

What are you blathering about? The abuse towards him was constant from the Rangers fans. It was expected, he was expecting it.

Yeah no ****, but you're the one claiming it was racial and/or sectarian. That's a bit different than just calling him a ****. And apparently you can't back up your claim (again).
I'm also still waiting to see who in this thread is apologising for sectarianism.

You seem to have absolutely no problem with accusing everyone in here of whatever the hell you think it is they do, so at least have the balls to prove it.

TheCitizen · 13-08-2017 11:09PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yeah no ****, but you're the one claiming it was racial and/or sectarian. That's a bit difference than just calling him a ****. And apparently you can't back up your claim.

Still waiting to see who in this thread is also apologising for sectarianism.

You seem to have absolutely no problem with accusing everyone in here of whatever the hell you think it is they do, so at least have the balls to back up your claims.

Such anger.

I asked you a question in relation to the Rangers fans chanting at Lenny yesterday, you dodged the question, I take that as you apologising for sectarian behaviour.

Lennon got the better of the bigots in the support of the club you support yesterday and he did so most of his time up there in Scotland as a player and manager. I guess that's difficult for you, but you're just going to have to take it.

Jelle1880 · 13-08-2017 11:14PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Such anger.

I asked you a question in relation to the Rangers fans chanting at Lenny yesterday, you dodged the question, I take that as you apologising for sectarian behaviour.

Lennon got the better of the bigots in the support of the club you support yesterday and he did so most of his time up there in Scotland as a player and manager. I guess that's difficult for you, but you're just going to have to take it.

What the actual **** are you talking about

You're the one who claimed Lennon was racially and/or sectarian abused. I asked you to back up your claim, you then started waffling on about how we are all apologists for sectarianism in this thread.
If you think that is 'anger' then so be it.

TheCitizen · 13-08-2017 11:24PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What the actual **** are you talking about

You're the one who claimed Lennon was racially and/or sectarian abused. I asked you to back up your claim, you then started waffling on about how we are all apologists for sectarianism in this thread.

I was talking about you in particular.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I can see why you love him so much, you both seem to be able to start a fight in an empty house:D

When he was manager of Celtic that time there was a concerted effort made to prevent him from plying his trade. He stood up to it. He is to be admired for that. It was shameful behaviour from the bigots. His time as Celtic manager probably ended prematurely in part to that behaviour, he's on record saying that.

I love him, 'cos he sticks it to you lot time and again, and after all the abuse your club's supporters have showered on him, fair play to him for coming back with a different and smaller team and sticking it to you again.

Jelle1880 · 13-08-2017 11:25PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

I was talking about you in particular.

Yeah, I figured as much since you couldn't prove your point. No other option than to get personal then.

You're wrong (again) of course, but that's not really a shock to anyone anymore.

TheCitizen · 13-08-2017 11:29PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yeah, I figured as much since you couldn't prove your point. No other option than to get personal then.

You're wrong (again) of course, but that's not really a shock to anyone anymore.

No I'm not wrong. There was sectarian abuse shouted at him yesterday. You will seek to deny that, that makes you an apologist for that behaviour.

Jelle1880 · 13-08-2017 11:53PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

No I'm not wrong. There was sectarian abuse shouted at him yesterday. You will seek to deny that, that makes you an apologist for that behaviour.

I'm asking you to prove what you're claiming, that doesn't make me anything special.

If you can't do that maybe you shouldn't say it. And definitely not turn it around by saying that it's the Rangers fans on here who are apologists for whatever you think happened.

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 12:06AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm asking you to prove what you're claiming, that doesn't make me anything special.

If you can't do that maybe you shouldn't say it. And definitely not turn it around by saying that it's the Rangers fans on here who are apologists for whatever you think happened.

You have some cheek. The abuse towards him was sectarian. It always has been.

Jelle1880 · 14-08-2017 12:11AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

You have some cheek. The abuse towards him was sectarian. It always has been.

Then prove it. Show a video, and I'll gladly accept he was abused in a sectarian way and definitely condemn it.

But until you do so (I suspect you'll probably change the subject soon) I think I'll stand by my point that you're talking nonsense.

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 12:34AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Then prove it. Show a video, and I'll gladly accept he was abused in a sectarian way and definitely condemn it.

But until you do so (I suspect you'll probably change the subject soon) I think I'll stand by my point that you're talking nonsense.

You have no point, no leg to stand on.

The abuse against him was sectarian, always was. I don't have access to video of the match the other day, but the abuse towards him was certainly sectarian.

As Celtic manager he was sent bullets in the post, had threats issued against his life, some of his players from Nationalist backgrounds from The North were also subjected to such threats, McCourt and McGinn.

Could you imagine Rangers players or manager being subjected to such abuse, could you imagine the reaction?

You have some cheek to attempt to moralise about Neil Lennon given the bile he has had to put up with and a lot of it from supporters of the club you support.

He had the last laugh on your lot yesterday as he got the better of your lot again. Fair play to him.

Jelle1880 · 14-08-2017 12:44AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

(I suspect you'll probably change the subject soon)

Heh. Imagine my surprise.

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 01:11AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Heh. Imagine my surprise.

The abuse towards him was sectarian, there's no question about it. It reflects poorly on you that you try to deflect away from that and quite typical. No surprise there.

Savage Tyrant · 14-08-2017 01:17AM

This is hilarious. The man has been the victim of sectarian abuse for the last 17 years in Scotland, and Jelle wants video evidence that it happened YESTERDAY.

PauloMN · 14-08-2017 09:09AM

Much as I admire Lennon, he should not react to taunts from fans - whether that is sectarian abuse or general abuse. I appreciate that's easier said than done, and his situation has been quite unique in the levels of abuse he received from Rangers fans, but still at this stage he should know better. Hibs left with the 3 points, that should be enough to rub their faces in it without giving the usual suspects excuses to go crawling to the police to complain about big bad Lennon.

The focus is now on Lennon rather than the lowlifes in the Rangers support who were abusing him, and he has played right into their hands.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2017 09:55AM

PauloMN wrote: »

Much as I admire Lennon, he should not react to taunts from fans - whether that is sectarian abuse or general abuse. I appreciate that's easier said than done, and his situation has been quite unique in the levels of abuse he received from Rangers fans, but still at this stage he should know better. Hibs left with the 3 points, that should be enough to rub their faces in it without giving the usual suspects excuses to go crawling to the police to complain about big bad Lennon.

The focus is now on Lennon rather than the lowlifes in the Rangers support who were abusing him, and he has played right into their hands.

Thats the thing, the focus is never on them. They've been given carte blanche to abuse anyone they see fit to, and then cry foul when someone stands up to them.

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 10:15AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thats the thing, the focus is never on them. They've been given carte blanche to abuse anyone they see fit to, and then cry foul when someone stands up to them.

This is the central point in this issue. The rangers fans who unleash bile and abuse don't get pulled up for it. Lenny perhaps takes the view that he may as well stand up to it himself because noone else thus far in authority in Scotland has faced the bigots down.

PauloMN · 14-08-2017 10:33AM

A manager should always avoid negative interactions with fans, period. It will only ever end up coming down on the manager, regardless of whether he was being dished plenty of abuse (which there is no doubt he was). Sectarian abuse should be reported by Lennon if he was getting any, but I haven't heard him say he was getting that sort of abuse. The "w**ker" type stuff just goes with the territory unfortunately.

Like I said, I have great admiration for him as a former player, as a manger and in general as a bloke who has personal baggage to deal with. But Lennon is old enough and experienced enough not to be letting himself or his club down by responding to fan abuse. He also knows as well as anyone that Rangers fans have form for running to the police. If he chooses to react, that's his call, but he then has to be prepared to face the consequences of match bans/fines etc.. That's his call and it'll only be him and Hibs that will suffer.

If he experienced sectarian abuse at Ibrox, then he has to make that known to the authorities (including the police) as that is illegal as well as being plain wrong. If he makes a complaint, it will have to be investigated.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2017 11:36AM

PauloMN wrote: »

A manager should always avoid negative interactions with fans, period. It will only ever end up coming down on the manager, regardless of whether he was being dished plenty of abuse (which there is no doubt he was). Sectarian abuse should be reported by Lennon if he was getting any, but I haven't heard him say he was getting that sort of abuse. The "w**ker" type stuff just goes with the territory unfortunately.

Like I said, I have great admiration for him as a former player, as a manger and in general as a bloke who has personal baggage to deal with. But Lennon is old enough and experienced enough not to be letting himself or his club down by responding to fan abuse. He also knows as well as anyone that Rangers fans have form for running to the police. If he chooses to react, that's his call, but he then has to be prepared to face the consequences of match bans/fines etc.. That's his call and it'll only be him and Hibs that will suffer.

If he experienced sectarian abuse at Ibrox, then he has to make that known to the authorities (including the police) as that is illegal as well as being plain wrong. If he makes a complaint, it will have to be investigated.

He cupped his ears, and celebrated his team scoring. Is that a "negative interaction" now??

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-08-2017 11:43AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nothing to do with this of course.

Guy's a classless ****. Well suited to those that love him.
No need for a statement though.

weldoninhio wrote: »

He cupped his ears, and celebrated his team scoring. Is that a "negative interaction" now??

Did you miss Jelle posting this. Which he says was to his own fans no it wasn't it clear as to the main stand at Ibrox.
Just to be clear I dont care what he does the man can give out sectarian abuse when it suits him. I think the statement was ludicrous and those fans who reported him should take a hard look at themselves

super_furry · 14-08-2017 11:58AM

No dog in the fight either way, but when I saw that there were complaints to polices, well Rangers fans are just making themselves look pathetic.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-08-2017 12:05PM

super_furry wrote: »

No dog in the fight either way, but when I saw that there were complaints to polices, well Rangers fans are just making themselves look pathetic.

Agreed but it was 30 out of many thousands so far from all Rangers fans. Not saying you are saying it was just making it clear

PauloMN · 14-08-2017 12:25PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He cupped his ears, and celebrated his team scoring. Is that a "negative interaction" now??

If he gestured at opposition fans after his own team scoring, then yes. You can try and dodge around it all you want, but managers in football have responsibilities and one of those is to remain professional and avoid antagonising opposition fans, regardless of what is happening on the pitch, and regardless of what abuse is being given by fans.

Could you imagine Brendan Rodgers doing any of that carry on Lenny involves himself in? No, I can't either.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2017 12:28PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Did you miss Jelle posting this. Which he says was to his own fans no it wasn't it clear as to the main stand at Ibrox.
Just to be clear I dont care what he does the man can give out sectarian abuse when it suits him. I think the statement was ludicrous and those fans who reported him should take a hard look at themselves

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Graeme Dorrans make the same gesture two/three times after he scored against Motherwell???

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 12:34PM

PauloMN wrote: »

A manager should always avoid negative interactions with fans, period. It will only ever end up coming down on the manager, regardless of whether he was being dished plenty of abuse (which there is no doubt he was). Sectarian abuse should be reported by Lennon if he was getting any, but I haven't heard him say he was getting that sort of abuse. The "w**ker" type stuff just goes with the territory unfortunately.

Like I said, I have great admiration for him as a former player, as a manger and in general as a bloke who has personal baggage to deal with. But Lennon is old enough and experienced enough not to be letting himself or his club down by responding to fan abuse. He also knows as well as anyone that Rangers fans have form for running to the police. If he chooses to react, that's his call, but he then has to be prepared to face the consequences of match bans/fines etc.. That's his call and it'll only be him and Hibs that will suffer.

If he experienced sectarian abuse at Ibrox, then he has to make that known to the authorities (including the police) as that is illegal as well as being plain wrong. If he makes a complaint, it will have to be investigated.

See normally I'd agree that a manager shouldn't bother engaging with opposition fans. However in this instance I think Neil Lennon knows exactly what he's doing.

The bigotry and bile that he had to put up with during his career in Scotland was vile and dangerous. Also it wouldn't have been tolerated in England or other countries for example.

So if Lennon just ignores it, then it's simply swept under the carpet. By facing it down he's deliberately drawing attention to it and he's letting the bigots know that not only that they won't stop him plying his trade in Scotland but that he will turn their bile against them and use it as a motivational tool for himself and his team.

Lennon is a clever and courageous man, and all right thinking people should and will be at his back supporting him. He's fighting the good fight, more power to him.

Jelle1880 · 14-08-2017 01:03PM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

This is hilarious. The man has been the victim of sectarian abuse for the last 17 years in Scotland, and Jelle wants video evidence that it happened YESTERDAY.

Nothing hilarious in wanting proof of claims made.

In fact, it's completely normal. Unless it's you or TheCitizen apparently.You can't just shout 'FACT!' and then want people to just believe whatever you come up with. In this day and age it shouldn't be hard to come up with video evidence, surely. God knows you lot watch every game of ours anyway

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-08-2017 01:14PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Graeme Dorrans make the same gesture two/three times after he scored against Motherwell???

Difference being he made it in front of his own fans

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 01:18PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nothing hilarious in wanting proof of claims made.

In fact, it's completely normal. Unless it's you or TheCitizen apparently.You can't just shout 'FACT!' and then want people to just believe whatever you come up with. In this day and age it shouldn't be hard to come up with video evidence, surely. God knows you lot watch every game of ours anyway

At the heart of this matter is a workers rights issue. Where someone should be allowed to ply their trade without fear of naked sectarian prejudice and threats simply because they come from a certain religious or cultural background. It's sad for you that you allow your tribalism to blind you from that crucial issue. It makes you no better than the bigots.

Lennon fair play to him is not afraid of the bigots. Your club has failed spectacularly to address this issue with those within their support. It's long past the time that they step up and take responsibility for their part in these matters.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-08-2017 01:22PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

At the heart of this matter is a workers rights issue. Where someone should be allowed to ply their trade without fear of naked sectarian prejudice and threats simply because they come from a certain religious or cultural background. It's sad for you that you allow your tribalism to blind you from that crucial issue. It makes you no better than the bigots.

Lennon fair play to him is not afraid of the bigots. Your club has failed spectacularly to address this issue with those within their support. It's long past the time that they step up and take responsibility for their part in these matters.

Utter nonsense I suggest you research how many have been banned from Ibrox because of sectarian behaviour unlike your own club who happily employed the racist who subjected Diouf to disgusting taunts

14-08-2017 01:31PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nothing to do with this of course.

Guy's a classless ****. Well suited to those that love him.
No need for a statement though.

Classless as well my sensitive friend. The following wouldn't be the first time either.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/somebody-needs-shoot-f-death-10986122

TheCitizen · 14-08-2017 01:32PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Utter nonsense I suggest you research how many have been banned from Ibrox because of sectarian behaviour unlike your own club who happily employed the racist who subjected Diouf to disgusting taunts

Typical. Deflect and engage in whataboutery but never acknowledge the central issue. A day will come perhaps when the powers that be in Scotland instruct your club to live up to their responsibilities, they don't appear to be capable of doing it on their own.

Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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