Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

gilmour · 09-08-2017 08:43PM

Floyd via DQ

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wouldn't blame him, three men with shorter reaches than him.

Interesting point. Here's a spin though, other than Nate Diaz, who has had a +70inch reach that Conor has faced?

I seen Chad Mendes light him up with combinations and he has a 66" reach.

Now imagine a boxer with a 72" reach with a world class jab and a straight right with laser accuracy.

Nate had him on queer street with a straight one two down the pipe. Watch Conors face be recreated after 6 rounds of peppering from Mayweather. He is going to Gatti him.

Frank Bullitt · 09-08-2017 08:43PM

Floyd via DQ

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wouldn't blame him, three men with shorter reaches than him.

Yeah, he would be terrified of beating them AGAIN I am sure.

StringerBell · 09-08-2017 09:34PM

Floyd via DQ

DellyBelly wrote: »

I reckon if McGregor lands 10 he knocks floyd out...I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

Danzy · 09-08-2017 10:13PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

If people honestly believe that McGregor will hit harder than people like De La Hoya or Manny, men who were working a punch bag since they were 6 years of age and doing nothing but for decades, but practice technique, speed, power delivery etc etc with their hands.

Serious to fook folks.

I still have no doubt that in a straight, no holds fight that McGregor would have Floyd out cold in 90 seconds.

If anyone could oull it out of the blue and win this it is McGregor but the power and accuracy he has will not be something that Floyd hasn't experienced before.

Frank Bullitt · 09-08-2017 10:17PM

Floyd via DQ

I mean...what power does Canelo REALLY have...

Gamebred · 09-08-2017 10:27PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Using Khan as a measure of someones power.... ok

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 09-08-2017 10:30PM

Conor via DQ

Wonder how big of a shock McGregor beating MW would be vs Aldo.

Before anyone jumps in, I know it would be a bigger shock just wanted to see peoples thoughts

Frank Bullitt · 09-08-2017 10:32PM

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

Using Khan as a measure of someones power.... ok

Im using Canelo...jaysis.

Gamebred · 09-08-2017 10:36PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Gintonious wrote: »

Im using Canelo...jaysis.

I know he hits hard but a right hand on Khans chin isnt a great example, does that sleep everyone in the weight class probably not,

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This is probably a better example.

Burial. · 09-08-2017 10:37PM

Floyd via DQ

There's a myth going around that Khan has a pure glass chin. The KO shots he took off Canelo and Garcia would have knocked the heads off elephants. Khan took a lot of leather off Maidana and didn't get dropped.

Outlaw Pete · 09-08-2017 10:40PM

Floyd via DQ

gilmour wrote: »

Nate had him on queer street.........

With a staph and 10 day prep, sure........... but he did nothing with his reach second time out, did he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpceKKWP9Ew

Oh and Diaz has a 76" reach by the way.

Incoming strawman argument in 5,4,3,2.....................

Gamebred · 09-08-2017 10:42PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Burial. wrote: »

There's a myth going around that Khan has a pure glass chin. The KO shots he took off Canelo and Garcia would have knocked the heads off elephants. Khan took a lot of leather off Maidana and didn't get dropped.

Ah would you stop, its not as bad as people go on like but he has a glass chin for definte not even in them ko's hes lost by, other fights hes done the chicken dance.

Burial. · 09-08-2017 10:43PM

Floyd via DQ

Getting rocked once by pillow fists Diaz is a massively alarming matter. Diaz can't even punch properly, his technique is like a slut outside a club throwing slaps at another aul doll for stealing her man.

Frank Bullitt · 09-08-2017 10:47PM

Floyd via DQ

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

With a staph and 10 day prep, sure........... but he did nothing with his reach second time out, did he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpceKKWP9Ew

Oh and Diaz has a 76" reach by the way.

Incoming strawman argument in 5,4,3,2.....................

So does this not negate your previous points about the reach advantage then?

walshb · 09-08-2017 10:52PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Wonder how big of a shock McGregor beating MW would be vs Aldo.

Before anyone jumps in, I know it would be a bigger shock just wanted to see peoples thoughts

Well, for starters Conor beating Aldo wasn't a shock..

Maybe the way he did was..

Like Madrid (Conor) beating Barca (Aldo) and then beating the All Blacks (Mayweather) in Rugby.

Frank Bullitt · 09-08-2017 10:55PM

Floyd via DQ

Gamebred wrote: »

I know he hits hard but a right hand on Khans chin isnt a great example, does that sleep everyone in the weight class probably not,

This is probably a better example.

Wince material.

mfceiling · 09-08-2017 10:58PM

Lads you may stop with this reach nonsense. You could have a 98 inch reach...not much good if you haven't the skills to use it against probably the greatest defensive boxer of all time.

Danonino. · 09-08-2017 11:10PM

I dunno, I figure if your full time job is learning how to punch someone in the head whilst avoiding being punched. Then you've managed to not only be good at it but good enough to organise a fight with the arguably greatest boxer of our generation....
You must be doing your job to a purty admirable level.

Just saying.

Outlaw Pete · 09-08-2017 11:49PM

Floyd via DQ

Gintonious wrote: »

So does this not negate your previous points about the reach advantage then?

So, because Nate's reach advantage wasn't of use to him..... it should then follow that McGregor's won't be either when he faces Floyd?? Ha!

The answer is no, it doesn't negate my point...... laughable that you would suggest it does.

McGregor has the raw natural talent to be able to exploit his reach advantage... especially given how precise his punching is. You would need an example of Floyd fighting someone (within the last ten to fifteen years) who had a reach advantage on him (and which didn't help them) in order for my point to be negated.

And to cut the strawman arguments off at the pass......... I am not suggesting that McGregor will beat Floyd but his reach advantage is without question advantageous to him and without doubt one of the things which Floyd could struggle with and which therefore gives Conor a chance in this fight........ all be it a slim one.

Muahahaha · 10-08-2017 12:23AM

Conor via DQ

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

What odds will you give me on McGregor landing less that 50 punches?

Well at least this thread is showing signs of progress, a few weeks ago some posters on here were claiming that Conor wouldnt land a single punch on Floyd and odds of 500-1 were being bandied about. Now after the sparring with Paulie we are up to 50 punches.

Donald Trump · 10-08-2017 12:35AM

Floyd via DQ

Genuine question. I hear a lot of people talking about McGregor's punches being precise or accurate. They may very well be. Can someone direct me towards the evidence though? I am genuinely asking.

He did have lovely timing to catch that Brazilian lovely but from my memory when I saw a clip of it the Brazilian was "falling in". I think I remember McGregor knocking out some other fella cleanly but that fella was walking back and turning away, or trying to get away, and was bollixed and had his chin up.

I mean, has he only been punching MMA fellas who are probably more focused on not getting kicked or wrestled to the ground? Or are there any of them that would have movement of combinations. Are there any examples of him winning an exchange of punches where both were trying to simultaneously throw combinations

Will he just be hitting fresh air on the night? My money would be on that

wonderfullife · 10-08-2017 02:52AM

Conor via KO-TKO

walshb wrote: »

Kind of implying that he has to be or needs to be phenomenal to beat Conor?

Will you really be surprised if it's a very dominant and easy win for Floyd?

I'll be surprised if Conor doesn't win and shocked if it's a one-sided dominant win.... but I've been wrong before.

gilmour wrote: »

Interesting point. Here's a spin though, other than Nate Diaz, who has had a +70inch reach that Conor has faced?

Eddie Alvarez (69in)
Max Holloway (69in)
Jose Aldo (70in)
Dennis Siver (70in)
Steve O' Keefe (71in)
Aaron Jahnsen (71in)
Dustin Poirier (72in)
Joe Duffy (73in)
Nate Diaz (76in)

Regardless of reach, Conor has never been stopped by strikes in a fight - he has lost by submission 3 times. People can say what they want about the first Nate fight but the punches weren't the reason he lost. He was FINE after Nate landed the 1-2, he was rocked, took 3 steps back and started returning fire.

The reason he lost is he was running on fumes and shot for a takedown to try see out the round in top control.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Genuine question. I hear a lot of people talking about McGregor's punches being precise or accurate. They may very well be. Can someone direct me towards the evidence though? I am genuinely asking.

What?

Conor has 21 victories in MMA, 18 of them are by KO/TKO.

There's your evidence of his accuracy. Conor isn't even the hardest puncher at 155lb's in the UFC, it's his punch placement that causes havoc. He's consistently landing punches on the button and when he does, his opponents tend to fall over.

Most of them also tend to get up again, so that's the question really. Floyd has a great chin so for Conor to KO him clean will be a tall order.

I think it's more likely Conor drops him multiple times in quick succession than a flash KO.

Subcomandante Marcos · 10-08-2017 03:14AM

Floyd via DQ

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The reason he lost is he was running on fumes and shot for a takedown to try see out the round in top control.

He shot because he was getting beat up on the feet and wanted out of the fight, no other reason.
He shot a bull**** attempt at a double with no conviction and ten tried to pull guard as Diaz sprawled and when he ended up getting swept and mounted he gave his back and gave his neck because he wanted out.

He knew shooting was the only way he didn't get knocked out, there's no way in hell he thought he was going to get the better of a Cesar Gracie black belt with 8 submissions wins in the UFC while running on fumes, that shot was Conor taking the easy out.

After the first 1-2 he got driven around the ring getting picked apart, was mashed against the cage getting lit up, and connected about 8 shots total until the second 1-2 that rocked him just before he shot.

Diaz hurt him, he knew the round was too long for him to make it out so rather than go out from a TKO he did what everyone does with Nate when they can't take his volume punching anymore and picked their poison and decided to let him choke them out rather than knock them out.

People will wrongly say McGregor "quit" when he didn't fight the hands in the RNC, that's stupid, he quit long before that.
He quit when the shot a bullsh*t double, he quit when he allowed Diaz mount him and he quit when he literally rolled over onto his belly, the RNC was inconsequential, the fight was already over, it was just a matter of whether Nate decided to pound him out or choke him out, so he gave him his back and gave him his neck and took the easy out.

Donald Trump · 10-08-2017 03:56AM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

What?

Conor has 21 victories in MMA, 18 of them are by KO/TKO.

There's your evidence of his accuracy. Conor isn't even the hardest puncher at 155lb's in the UFC, it's his punch placement that causes havoc. He's consistently landing punches on the button and when he does, his opponents tend to fall over.

Like this?

The fella is turning is head away and walking away. Hands down. I mean you'd bawl a novice boxer out of it for that if you were his coach. He's knackered. He's basically giving up. And he's a slow moving heavy bag at that point.

I'm not criticizing the other fella. They need different skills for MMA, but it's not difficult to land against someone in that state.

I'm not saying McGregor isn't accurate. I'm just saying show me the evidence against an opponent who can move.

There is a huge difference between fighting someone who knows their way around a ring and those that don't. There's the boxer that is just trying to watch your punches come in and land his punches on you and there is the one who knows his back leg is going to hit the rope when he takes one more step back so he already knows what he's going to throw and what way he's going to slide out of there and turn you when it does. The second one is far far harder to hit.

gilmour · 10-08-2017 04:30AM

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

People can say what they want about the first Nate fight but the punches weren't the reason he lost. He was FINE after Nate landed the 1-2, he was rocked, took 3 steps back and started returning fire.

The reason he lost is he was running on fumes and shot for a takedown to try see out the round in top control.

:eek::D

Come on now Wonder, he looked like he just staggered out of a pub with 12 pints in him and started windmilling

gilmour · 10-08-2017 04:39AM

Floyd via DQ

Donald Trump wrote: »

Like this?

The fella is turning is head away and walking away. Hands down. I mean you'd bawl a novice boxer out of it for that if you were his coach. He's knackered. He's basically giving up. And he's a slow moving heavy bag at that point.

I'm not criticizing the other fella. They need different skills for MMA, but it's not difficult to land against someone in that state.

I'm not saying McGregor isn't accurate. I'm just saying show me the evidence against an opponent who can move.

There is a huge difference between fighting someone who knows their way around a ring and those that don't. There's the boxer that is just trying to watch your punches come in and land his punches on you and there is the one who knows his back leg is going to hit the rope when he takes one more step back so he already knows what he's going to throw and what way he's going to slide out of there and turn you when it does. The second one is far far harder to hit.

Yeah i see what you're saying. Mendes was completely gassed, Aldo wild, and the less said about Eddie Alvarez's defence/movement the better. Was impressive against Nate in the rematch, but i think the leg kicks played a huge role in that.

His precision though is his best weapon, and he really does look classy with it in MMA, but because of the multiple facets of MMA the opponents are constantly ready to defend leg kicks etc which set the left hand up lovely.
My big worry for Conor is he has no jab. In MMA he uses his right hand like a paw to distract and gauge distance but he rarely throws it in a traditional boxing description of a jab.
Now i'm sure hes working on his jab in camp, maybe he does have one that he just didnt feel was right for MMA, but in order to get Floyds respect the first absolute requirement is a world class jab, doubled up for good measure. I think the lack of it will end up getting him walloped.

Sweet Science · 10-08-2017 08:43AM

Conor on points

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

So, because Nate's reach advantage wasn't of use to him..... it should then follow that McGregor's won't be either when he faces Floyd?? Ha!

The answer is no, it doesn't negate my point...... laughable that you would suggest it does.

McGregor has the raw natural talent to be able to exploit his reach advantage... especially given how precise his punching is. You would need an example of Floyd fighting someone (within the last ten to fifteen years) who had a reach advantage on him (and which didn't help them) in order for my point to be negated.

And to cut the strawman arguments off at the pass......... I am not suggesting that McGregor will beat Floyd but his reach advantage is without question advantageous to him and without doubt one of the things which Floyd could struggle with and which therefore gives Conor a chance in this fight........ all be it a slim one.

Im starting to think you actually believe this stuff and arent trolling

walshb · 10-08-2017 09:15AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well at least this thread is showing signs of progress, a few weeks ago some posters on here were claiming that Conor wouldnt land a single punch on Floyd and odds of 500-1 were being bandied about. Now after the sparring with Paulie we are up to 50 punches.

You are exaggerating..Conor will land some punches. Very very few that will be impacting and-or damaging..

But I am sure the fan boys will be pressing buttons like mad..

Coming up with numbers like 250 landed, and failing or refusing to call about 240 of them hitting arms and shoulders..

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 10-08-2017 09:20AM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

You are exaggerating..Conor will land some punches. Very very few that will be impacting and-or damaging..

But I am sure the fan boys will be pressing buttons like mad..

Coming up with numbers like 250 landed, and failing or refusing to call about 240 of them hitting arms and shoulders..

That's what compubox is for.

I don't see any McGregor fans stepping up to take my money on the under 50 punches landed bet either way.

Sweet Science · 10-08-2017 09:27AM

Conor on points

Paddys are offering under 10 punches at 10/1.

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