Working life

tastyt · 07-08-2017 01:34AM

The secret is to have a job you dont hate, gives you plenty of time with friends and family and pays the bills.

If you can find this your doing alright, a tiny percentage of people love what they do and it takes a lot of luck too.

Just dont fall into the trap of being one of those people who waste their lives living for their job for a few hundred extra quid a month in their paycheque, bringing their work home, working 70/80 hours a week to try to climb some corporate ladder that just leads to even more stress and bull****.

Live your own real life with the people who miss you when your not there, your only a number, easily replaced at work.

Best advice I ever got, nobody lies on their deathbed wishing they had spent more days of their lives working in the office

Johngoose · 07-08-2017 01:38AM

I don't work in an office job myself, but know people who do. It seems as people have alluded to here, that basically the office work could be done in most cases in three days rather than five.Working in an office seems to entail looking busy, trying to keep yourself occupied, when sometimes you just have fcuk all to do. I don't get why office jobs have to be 9-5, five days a week, when the reality is office workers are twiddling there thumbs for half that time?

timthumbni · 07-08-2017 01:38AM

tastyt wrote: »

The secret is to have a job you dont hate, gives you plenty of time with friends and family and pays the bills.

If you can find this your doing alright, a tiny percentage of people love what they do and it takes a lot of luck too.

Just dont fall into the trap of being one of those people who waste their lives living for their job for a few hundred extra quid a month in their paycheque, bringing their work home, working 70/80 hours a week to try to climb some corporate ladder that just leads to even more stress and bull****.

Live your own real life with the people who miss you when your not there, your only a number, easily replaced at work.

Best advice I ever got, nobody lies on their deathbed wishing they had spent more days of their lives working in the office

I agree with this poster 2 million percent..... in the end we are all just dirt. I just look at some in my work that are on the kiss arse treadmill for the bosses and think "you silly ****er"

Django99 · 07-08-2017 01:39AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Shorter working hours, only working 4 days per week.

I know every working environment may differ but I certainly could do my 5 days work in 4 and possibly 3 even. Most people zone out on a Monday morning and Friday afternoon for example. Would it really hurt to go 4 days a week for example???

The amount of hours we work is steadily declining already. It would be a big jump to go from 5 days to 4 days. There would be a lot of lost productivity in a very short space of time. If for example, we dropped Friday from the working week, then Thursday afternoons would become a period when people zone out as you say.

100 years ago people worked far more hours than they do now. In 100 years people will work less. Unfortunately you were born whenever you were born, and you live at a time when 9-5 5 days a week is the norm. In your lifetime that may decrease even further, but there's not a whole lot you can do about it either way.

Danonino. · 07-08-2017 01:41AM

A four day working week would be my pick.

8 hours 5 days a week just.... uurrrgghh... it gets to ya. Money is essential but not everything, I would and have gladly taken a hit in pay to gain more free time, in saying that I have a lot of hobbies and pastimes that I can keep myself busy with.

The dole, now that's a different beast altogether, a lot of posters don't really understand what a horrible pit the dole is. The examples that get thrown around are the extremes.

Sofiztikated · 07-08-2017 01:44AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Shorter working hours, only working 4 days per week.

I know every working environment may differ but I certainly could do my 5 days work in 4 and possibly 3 even. Most people zone out on a Monday morning and Friday afternoon for example. Would it really hurt to go 4 days a week for example???

Not really, but do you get the same pay for 4 days as 5? Or do you get paid less, because you didn't work as much?

So if you get the same pay, grand. But what if you need a bit of extra cash for, say, Christmas. So you think "**** it, an extra 8/10 hours, bit of extra cash, happy days."

Or if you get paid less, do you think "****, I need some extra cash to go on that walking holiday. Few extra hours, happy days."

Johngoose · 07-08-2017 01:46AM

Danonino. wrote: »

A four day working week would be my pick.

8 hours 5 days a week just.... uurrrgghh... it gets to ya. Money is essential but not everything, I would and have gladly taken a hit in pay to gain more free time, in saying that I have a lot of hobbies and pastimes that I can keep myself busy with.

The dole, now that's a different beast altogether, a lot of posters don't really understand what a horrible pit the dole is. The examples that get thrown around are the extremes.

Ya the dole would be miserable enough to live on. Council estates nowadays can be hellholes too, where gangs have people living in terror.

Filmer Paradise · 07-08-2017 01:47AM

It really depends on how you use your spare time.

Most of us get jobs that enable us to have a certain lifestyle.

Oh yeah some click into something they like early on, but for most their jobs are a means to an end.

I'm in my job a long time. In my 20s it enabled me to have a nice car, holidays, endless pub,etc..

In my 30, it enabled me to buy my own house & just after it enabled me to get married & have a family of my own.

My job does in no way reflect my ambition when I was younger but on a lot of levels it fitted the bill. Now Pushing 50 I sometimes reflect on how things worked out.

Things could have been better. But hey it could have been a whole lot worse too.

Don't overthink things & try to look after your health at some point around 40 and you should be okay in the long run.

Smurfette principle · 07-08-2017 01:49AM

timthumbni wrote: »

I agree with this poster 2 million percent..... in the end we are all just dirt. I just look at some in my work that are on the kiss arse treadmill for the bosses and think "you silly ****er"

lol not everyone who is good at their job does it to be a lickarse, as hard as it might be for you to understand a lot of people work hard because they enjoy what they do, Personally I think you are the silly ****er because you are on here bitching about a job you obviously hate but haven't got the balls to quit so would rather complain and put everyone else down just because they are happier in their job than you are. If all you want to do in your job is bare minimum than that's fair enough, it's no one else's business, but don't criticize others just because just because you can't be arsed to take your finger out of your hole and try improve your situation.

timthumbni · 07-08-2017 01:50AM

Danonino. wrote: »

A four day working week would be my pick.

8 hours 5 days a week just.... uurrrgghh... it gets to ya. Money is essential but not everything, I would and have gladly taken a hit in pay to gain more free time, in saying that I have a lot of hobbies and pastimes that I can keep myself busy with.

The dole, now that's a different beast altogether, a lot of posters don't really understand what a horrible pit the dole is. The examples that get thrown around are the extremes.

Aye the dole certainly isn't good. However I often think that the lower working class (which I would really probably fall under myself ) really gets shafted. If you take into account housing benefit (I'm from ni so not sure what you call it down south) and the costs associated with working (travel etc) then I probably have little more than someone on welfare. That is very depressing for me tbh.

Ubbquittious · 07-08-2017 01:52AM

Django99 wrote: »

The amount of hours we work is steadily declining already. It would be a big jump to go from 5 days to 4 days. There would be a lot of lost productivity in a very short space of time. If for example, we dropped Friday from the working week, then Thursday afternoons would become a period when people zone out as you say.

100 years ago people worked far more hours than they do now. In 100 years people will work less. Unfortunately you were born whenever you were born, and you live at a time when 9-5 5 days a week is the norm. In your lifetime that may decrease even further, but there's not a whole lot you can do about it either way.

Depends on where you lived and what you did. Some people worked far less and not just elite white horse riding types

scudzilla · 07-08-2017 01:54AM

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I'm a college student but this is something that has really been bothering me over the last year or so.

When I graduate it'll probably be in some kind of office job (if I get a job) where I'll probably be working for some manager who I quite dislike but I'll probably become similar to over the next 40 years. Anyway, work your life away while the founder becomes rich and you earn a wage which is sufficient for survival but not really sufficient for growth and self actualisation.

Perhaps this is just me being slightly anti capitalist as it seems to be the done thing. I view it as working your life away and I would imagine it could become my greatest regret.

I'm still in college though, studying to gain one of these jobs so I do feel very hypocritical at times.

Entrepreneurship is honestly the only viable solution that I can see as I don't see a life on social welfare as particularly fulfilling either.

You're lucky that you've twigged this while you're still young and have no ties, i'd love to drop hours but have a family to support

timthumbni · 07-08-2017 01:55AM

Smurfette principle wrote: »

lol not everyone who is good at their job does it to be a lickarse, as hard as it might be for you to understand a lot of people work hard because they enjoy what they do, Personally I think you are the silly ****er because you are on here bitching about a job you obviously hate but haven't got the balls to quit so would rather complain and put everyone else down just because they are happier in their job than you are. If all you want to do in your job is bare minimum than that's fair enough, it's no one else's business, but don't criticize others just because just because you can't be arsed to take your finger out of your hole and try improve your situation.

I'm talking about working practises in general in the uk/Ireland as first world countries. Though you do sound like one of those brown nosing "silly ****ers" to coin your own delightful phrase.

eeguy · 07-08-2017 01:58AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Aye the dole certainly isn't good. However I often think that the lower working class (which I would really probably fall under myself ) really gets shafted. If you take into account housing benefit (I'm from ni so not sure what you call it down south) and the costs associated with working (travel etc) then I probably have little more than someone on welfare. That is very depressing for me tbh.

Its a funny paradigm that people feel the need to get a good job to pay for a mortgage on a house they only need to be close to their good job.

Friends of mine are breaking their balls working to pay for a mortgage on a house in London and have no disposable income to speak of.
This will continue for at least 20 years.
They could just as easy buy a cheap house in the country, get less well paid jobs and have more disposable income as a result.

I had a chat with a coworker recently. I work just outside Dublin. My coworker bought a house for 300k in the city. I'm looking at ones for 200k well outside the city.
We'd have a similar commute. He thought I was mad. Sure you can't go out in Dublin, you're away from the nightlife, the gigs, the convenience etc. My reply was that he's essentially paying 100k plus interest for that convenience. an extra 10 years of mortgage payments. Personally its not worth it.

Django99 · 07-08-2017 02:00AM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Depends on where you lived and what you did. Some people worked far less and not just elite white horse riding types

True, but the exact same can be said for today, and probably to a larger degree. But if we talk about the working class, or the majority, working hours are down.

Danonino. · 07-08-2017 02:08AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Aye the dole certainly isn't good. However I often think that the lower working class (which I would really probably fall under myself ) really gets shafted. If you take into account housing benefit (I'm from ni so not sure what you call it down south) and the costs associated with working (travel etc) then I probably have little more than someone on welfare. That is very depressing for me tbh.

Dole works out at under 10k a year. You are 10000% better off with a job and definitely have far more than someone on welfare besides a little spending money (like a purpose to get up and seize a day

)

The dole is a pit, it's doable for a year maybe two tops, then you're week to week, no car, no luxuries, no freedom and very hard to crawl back out and onto your feet. Like the average wage is around 30k if I remember correctly.

Then again, like everything there are plenty of stories both ways.

Speaking of houses and mortgages, that is a topic that depresses me. Im old enough to have seen prices go from approx 70k to 200k+ and dont see a way of ever affording my own outside of crippling tortuous debt or inheritance. That's sad.

I could have grabbed a mortgage in 2003, my bank practically hounded me, part of me is absolutely delighted I didnt, I'm early 30s and completely debt free, outside of €40 I haven't paid on the esb ha ha ha. Another part is thinking I'm a fool for not being part of the problem. The amount of rent I've paid the last 15 years gives me nightmares.

B.A._Baracus · 07-08-2017 05:04AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Does anyone else think that working is one of the biggest cons ever pulled?

Working 5/6 days a week in the year 2017 seems absurd to me.

Also the fact that those on welfare seem to be better or as well off than those of us who actually are working makes no sense at all.

We are here for a short time. I understand the need for money to live etc but do we really need to work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 etc?

Sorry to have a go at you op

But if being on the dole is better off then why aren't you on it? I mean this better life style.... all the perks.

or could it just be that you know being on the dole isn't as great as you make it and you are talking through your a$s :pac:

As for working a shorter week and making the same if not more money? that's why people chance their arm and work for themselves.
Like, working in Tesco 9am to 5pm well that's it. You get paid by the hour. But what about working for yourself? It comes with a mountain of it's own issues. But you get to charge what you think is best. You can take a friday off. You can do whatever you want. You are your own boss.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-08-2017 07:55AM

OP you should try Venezuela.

They have all anti capitalist beliefs and I believe the country is thriving and people are delighted with like altogether.

pickarooney · 07-08-2017 08:17AM

Patww79 wrote: »

I'd actually have nothing I'd want to do if I didn't work (hence I do zero at the weekends), so at least work breaks the monotony.

Full time job, no hobbies and too poor to pay for the bins. That's a fierce way to be.

pickarooney · 07-08-2017 08:18AM

SwD wrote: »

As my grandmother used to say:

Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

Find a job that gives you purpose.

So should we all become prostitutes, Father?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-08-2017 09:07AM

Actually nearly died there.

Finally fell asleep but flat down on the back. My cat climbed up on me and went to sleep on my face. I began puking while in a dream, It was like I was drowning.

Finally managed to wake and turn on my side. My bitch of a cat then freaked out and extended her claws into my face.

ToddyDoody · 07-08-2017 10:57AM

I'm not do sure about this one.

Statistics show that lottery winners who don't have to work are, in the long run, more likely to commit suicide than people who have lost a close family member.

Having it easy with no conflicts at all is terrible for psychic health, believe it or not. It's a bit like letting a battery go out of date and die of its own accord where you're better off putting it in a circuit and letting the charge jump hoops through the system to make it work.

Ulysses Gaze · 07-08-2017 12:20PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I'm not do sure about this one.

Statistics show that lottery winners who don't have to work are, in the long run, more likely to commit suicide than people who have lost a close family member.

Having it easy with no conflicts at all is terrible for psychic health, believe it or not. It's a bit like letting a battery go out of date and die of its own accord where you're better off putting it in a circuit and letting the charge jump hoops through the system to make it work.

Saw a programme that showed similar.

No harm going from full time work to part time work and study.

Or full time study for a masters or PhD

Permabear · 07-08-2017 12:33PM

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donegaLroad · 07-08-2017 12:45PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Does anyone else think that working is one of the biggest cons ever pulled?

Working 5/6 days a week in the year 2017 seems absurd to me.

Also the fact that those on welfare seem to be better or as well off than those of us who actually are working makes no sense at all.

We are here for a short time. I understand the need for money to live etc but do we really need to work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 etc?

I read somewhere that 85% of all files, will remain filed... so all those Excel spreadsheets, Word documents and database files that everyone has been so busy typing up, (doing over-time, queuing in traffic, panicking because they are running late, arguing with their co-workers, hating their 'job', family life suffering because of work load, premature aging etc).... will all have been for nothing, and as they lie there on their death bed, they will be overcome by a sudden dawn of realisation... that they will have wasted the one life that they have been given.

There have been many people found dead at work, slumped across their office desk.. their belongs are all put away and the office tidied up. Three weeks later, there is not one word about them, and all their files will remain filed.

OldMrBrennan83 · 07-08-2017 12:48PM

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Pwindedd · 07-08-2017 12:56PM

I like my 9-5 office "drudgery". It gives me a purpose. The work stimulates my brain on a daily basis. In exchange I get money to feed, clothe and entertain myself in my free time. Time off from work is treasured and anticipated with delight of course, but if left to my own devices for too long with no purpose I slowly start to become unhinged. Maybe I'm just lucky in that the 9-5 life suits me, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

donegaLroad · 07-08-2017 12:56PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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ok, so you get paid to come in every morning, build a wall, and at the end of the day knock it down again. Do this for 20 years and your employer will give you some money so you can change the car, go for a holiday once a year to get away from your meaningless job, and to be able to afford to pay for (or rent) your over-valued property which you spend little time in anyway because you are at work during the day. And this is not wasting your life?

OldMrBrennan83 · 07-08-2017 12:58PM

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Allinall · 07-08-2017 12:59PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

ok, so you get paid to come in every morning, build a wall, and at the end of the day knock it down again. Do this for 20 years and your employer will give you some money so you can change the car, go for a holiday once a year to get away from your meaningless job, and to be able to afford to pay for (or rent) your over-valued property which you spend little time in anyway because you are at work during the day. And this is not wasting your life?

Every life is wasted in that case.

Everyone dies in the end, so what's the point of anything ?

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