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People who say "I seen" and "onder"

  • 04-08-2017 02:41PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭


    As in onder, oncomfortable, ongrateful, etc. What the fcuk? When does 'un' become 'on'?

    One of my sisters says it the 'on' way. There is no half way house between 'un' ond 'on', so she obviously made a conscious decision to switch at some stage. When I hear her say words this way, I say "gee, is that the D4 accent rubbing off on you?" which I know drives her mad. She always takes the bait for this and gets annoyed, but yet she can't shrug the habit! Sometimes she'll be talking about something very serious and I'll still correct her! Priceless.

    My other sister on the other hand says the "I seen". Now we're from a middle/upper class family, so she wasn't raised that way and she knows the correct way to say it. I think it's her way putting her 'working class hero' stamp on things - as if the say "I'm working class, I'm the salt of the Earth". Is it quite trendy to say it this way in some circles? It makes me cringe! Anyway, I corrected her recently (in front of the parents) saying "I saw". She flipped! saying "I'm a bit old to be correct now". I couldn't help but say "you're a bit old to need to be corrected. It's never too late to learn". She got even worse and left the room! I shouted "well you certainly won't learn anything with that attitude".

    What do ye think of this? It'd be one thing if they were raised in those social backgrounds. But when people deliberately say a word wrong thinking that it's they're way of being unique! Hmmm.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    Different people do be talk differently so they do be.

    Try to not let it get to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    middle/upper class, keep dreaming you focking pleb


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭Pictures Of Lilly


    me_irl wrote: »
    Different people do be talk differently so they do be.

    Try to not let it get to you.
    On the contrary. It provides for some fun.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Yeah, I seen her!

    Uh, that is to say I saw her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    This is very onteresting.

    Does ot trivially onnoy you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Hopefully you got the good looks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭Pictures Of Lilly


    middle/upper class, keep dreaming you focking pleb
    You want to back that one up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Leave your sisters alone or I'll kick your arse, youngfella.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    On yer bike OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Dr. Kenneth Noisewater


    Where my mother is from in Offaly, "up" is "op", "under" is "onder" and "Dublin" becomes "Doblin". "Onrale" is a personal fave of mine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Where my mother is from in Offaly, "up" is "op", "under" is "onder" and "Dublin" becomes "Doblin". "Onrale" is a personal fave of mine.

    As in Lexie, pacifically?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL



    My other sister on the other hand says the "I seen". Now we're from a middle/upper class family, so she wasn't raised that way and she knows the correct way to say It.

    What do ye think of this? It'd be on thing if they were raised in those social backgrounds. But when people deliberately say a word wrong thinking that it's they're way of being unique! Hmmm.

    She is saying it correctly. So are you. Every native speaker speaks their language correctly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,235 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    You want to back that one up?

    Picture this. You invite a nouveau-riche twat round for breakfast. You know the type - estate agent, four-bed semi in Kimmage, couple of new Kias, two generations from the campfire. You serve a decent breakfast and he/she says something like "A dinner plate? Do you not have any like, actual breakfast plates? I know a great place that sells breakfast plates you could probably afford!", to which the correct reply is of course "Get the unidextrous fuck out of my house and darken the door no more!"

    Now. You invite someone with real class round for same, an aristocrat. You start eating your breakfast out of a fire-shovel and he/she will ask you if you have another fire-shovel, so they can eat properly too.

    See what I'm getting at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Putting all the circumstantial evidence together, my Columbo-esque skills point me to the obvious and irrefutable conclusion that your sister has, by osmosis, absorbed the Offaly accent due to continually getting railed by Biffos who've moved up to the Big Schmoke


    Just out of curiosity........did she take an unhealthy interest in Brian Cowen getting his honorary doctorate there a week or two ago..............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭furiousox


    I seen.
    I done.
    Should of.
    Would of
    Could of.
    All rampant and spreading like herpes.

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    He probably meant 'un', because he's French.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    furiousox wrote: »
    I seen.
    I done.
    Should of.
    Would of
    Could of.
    All rampant and spreading like herpes.

    The first two are perfectly grammatical and fully established. The "of" ones are matters of spelling, and it's only a matter of time before they become acceptable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Pretentious tomfcukery is a term I've invented for posts such as the OP's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭furiousox


    Call me old fashioned, but I'll stick to I saw, I did, and should have.

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭alberto67


    furiousox wrote: »
    Call me old fashioned, but I'll stick to I saw, I did, and should have.

    Old fashuned :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    furiousox wrote: »
    Call me old fashioned, but I'll stick to I saw, I did, and should have.

    It's not old fashioned. It's just the way you speak. Others speak differently. It's just standard linguistic variation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭furiousox


    I'd see it as using good grammar or bad grammar.
    I guarantee you if you use I seen, I done or should of on a job application, your cv will go straight in the bin.

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Dramatik


    Woodja leave dem dere girdells alone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Now we're from a middle/upper class family, so she wasn't raised that way and she knows the correct way to say it.

    Maybe your sisters/family don't want to be associated with ridiculous stuck up snobs like you and speak as they do to differentiate themselves from you...which I can understand as you come across as a complete ******


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭D9Male


    My sons brang this stuff into our gaff recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    furiousox wrote: »
    I'd see it as using good grammar or bad grammar.
    I guarantee you if you use I seen, I done or should of on a job application, your cv will go straight in the bin.

    That's about what's socially acceptable. I seen is perfect grammar. But some people such as yourself don't understand how language works and will look down on people for speaking perfect but different English.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭furiousox


    The same way you look down on people who "don't understand how language works"?

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    You sound like a barrel of laughs, OP.

    What age are you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    furiousox wrote: »
    The same way you look down on people who "don't understand how language works"?

    You're looking down on people for doing something correctly. I'm looking down on people for not doing something correctly - I.e. being ignorant. Totally different.


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