Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Cookiemunster · 01-08-2017 10:33PM

xtal191 wrote: »

Just watched Pool/Bayern if they can keep everyone fit they'll have a good season, Salah is gonna be a great signing for them.

Gonna be an extremely competitive season, I really hope theres a surprise signing or two for us before the window closes.

It's preseason. Absolutley zero predictions should be made on preseason form.

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 10:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really not picking an argument here Mitch, just curious. What is the ideal way for a transfer to be completed in your view? It's coming across as you being a little hard to please here, and apologies if that's not the case.
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Sorry, I don't have time for a proper reply, and on the phone - but basically I don't like players refusing to play for a club paying them huge amounts, to force through a move. It just doesn't sit right with me. I don't like players going on strike.

I do think sometimes clubs take it too far themselves and almost force such behavior, but it is something I don't like to see, either way.

Again, it feeds into my opinion that release fees should be a part of every contract. If I was a footballer, particularly a top level one, I'd not sign a contract without one. I'm not saying it should be cheap - they'd be big fees, but it would stop clubs from just saying no. Like that red bull fella Liverpool are trying to sign.

bangkok · 01-08-2017 10:51PM

xtal191 wrote: »

Just watched Pool/Bayern if they can keep everyone fit they'll have a good season, Salah is gonna be a great signing for them.

Gonna be an extremely competitive season, I really hope theres a surprise signing or two for us before the window closes.

Yep they are excellent going forward, lots of pace. We should have signed Mane ahead of liverpool.

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 11:10PM

bangkok wrote: »

Yep they are excellent going forward, lots of pace. We should have signed Mane ahead of liverpool.

We have Lukaku, rashford and martial. Plenty of pace. Just need to use it.

mewe · 01-08-2017 11:24PM

Klopps "philosophy" is flawed for me, particularly in a league like the premier league. The intensity of their play will pay dividends in the first half of the season but come the business end they'll be fooked. It could only work with a lot of strength and depth in the squad, which they don't have.

scudzilla · 01-08-2017 11:42PM

I'm loving the fact they're having a good pre season, it's great they trounced Bayern, now all i want is a great start for them, it just makes the fall all the more spectacular and funny

J. Marston · 02-08-2017 12:03AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Has anyone posted the Neymar deal rumour?

There was a load of Carrick shíte earlier I skipped so might have been in there. But apparently Qatar want to pay Neymar €300 million to be an ambassador for the World Cup so he can buy himself out of his contract and sign for PSG on a free. If that's true it's mental. I'd love it to happen as it might force Fifa/Uefa to dismantle the corrupt transfer system.

If it means Barca get Coutinho, I'm all for it.

02-08-2017 01:21AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's preseason. Absolutley zero predictions should be made on preseason form.

I agree.

Unless you're Fergie (and your finances might be restricted) and it's Summer 2011, late July. We've just gotten schooled by Barcelona, again, two months prior in another CL final and our MF is in bad shape...still. A young prospect returns to the club after a few loans at clubs beginning with 'W' and has a decent showing against Barca in a 2-1 dead-rubber preseason win for United...

It's crucial because with Paul Scholes retiring and Darren Fletcher still recovering from his virus it's [referring to center midfield] an area we have to find a solution for,'

Tom Cleverley, physically, isn't the strongest lad but he's wily and he has a great idea of the game. He's a good footballer and I thought he was our best player tonight.

His discipline was terrific, he's a good passer, he has good eyes. He's a big possibility to start for us at the start of the season."

No CM signings are made that Summer, Cleverley goes on to start the season in CM for us.

In fairness to SAF and Cleverley though, I don't think T-Clev came back the same player after that October 2011 ligament injury.

Cantona's Collars · 02-08-2017 01:40AM

Don't think it was posted earlier but Watford want TFM on loan,will probably happen if Aurier wins his appeal and joins United.

RobertKK · 02-08-2017 01:55AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Watford linked with a loan for TFM. I'd say take it provided they guarantee he'll play.

zerks wrote: »

Don't think it was posted earlier but Watford want TFM on loan,will probably happen if Aurier wins his appeal and joins United.

Sorry zerks.

Cantona's Collars · 02-08-2017 02:02AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sorry zerks.

I got bored reading the Carrick debate, and assumed that story was lost somewhere in the middle of it seeing as it broke at lunchtime so posted it anyway.The Aurier angle makes the move seem more likely to happen.
Where did the papers get the £27 million fee for Aurier when it was quoted as less than £20 million?

wanderer100 · 02-08-2017 04:21AM

Not entirely Manchester United related but does anyone know what's the name of the website that shows a list of tv channels that broadcast games

Sebastian Dangerfield · 02-08-2017 06:32AM

wanderer100 wrote: »

Not entirely Manchester United related but does anyone know what's the name of the website that shows a list of tv channels that broadcast games

If you go to the official premier league website theres a section called Broadcast Schedules

02-08-2017 06:53AM

mewe wrote: »

Klopps "philosophy" is flawed for me, particularly in a league like the premier league. The intensity of their play will pay dividends in the first half of the season but come the business end they'll be fooked. It could only work with a lot of strength and depth in the squad, which they don't have.

Add in that no elite team in Europe plays the geggen pressing way I'd agree with you. Klopp needs to adapt his system IMO.

Trigger · 02-08-2017 07:10AM

wanderer100 wrote: »

Not entirely Manchester United related but does anyone know what's the name of the website that shows a list of tv channels that broadcast games

Here ya go, just clicking on the flag of the league you wish to check

http://liveonsat.com/quickindex.html

Giggsy11 · 02-08-2017 07:18AM

pjohnson wrote: »

You could claim Matic should respect his contract BUT Conte certainly didn't respect it given he excluded Matic, along with Costa from first team activities. If you really want to be anal. I mean contracts go two ways. If Matic is on a senior deal he shouldn't be left behind.

Matt Law reported long back that Matic rejected their contract and wanted out, so it makes sense to leave him out of preseason to sort out his transfer.

Trigger · 02-08-2017 07:28AM

Augeo wrote: »

Add in that no elite team in Europe plays the geggen pressing way I'd agree with you. Klopp needs to adapt his system IMO.

Unfortunately for ye it will probably be even worse this season when you throw in the extra Champions League matches, though I do believe that his system would work better in Europe when the matches are more open and teams set up differently. Think he has been already found out a bit in the league

Liam McPoyle · 02-08-2017 08:05AM

Augeo wrote: »

Add in that no elite team in Europe plays the geggen pressing way I'd agree with you. Klopp needs to adapt his system IMO.

OT but it's easier to comment on here lest I be accused of wumming.

Ye have a guaranteed extra 6 games this season, a decent run in the CL could mean 4 more at least, a few wins in the domestic cups and he could be over 50 games easily enough.

How many did ye have last year, early 40s IIRC?

A couple of injuries around Christmas and Mane at the ACON left ye a bit floundering.

The likes of Mane and Salah play a high intensity way anyway, add that to Klopps style then injury risks have to be a big concern as there doesn't seem to be anyone (as yet) they can be rotated with.

It will be interesting to see how Kloop manages the first half of the season. Ye were grand last year with a small core of players and one game a week so lots of rest time. Throw an extra game a week at a high level into the mix and it wouldn't surprise me to see league or cup form suffer for it.

02-08-2017 08:33AM

In fairness Barca played it, or at least very close to it, in the Pep years without getting many injuries. Almost like they were doing something Klopp wont/can't do to avoid them. But that's all speculation.

This season I think the lack of quality through the middle will be Liverpool's undoing. Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lallana and Can are all good players and I think Lallana has always been underrated but that's not a group of midfield options who are going to win the league imo. Teams are going to be playing an even more entrenched style against them this season too which will negate the pace on the wings too.

bangkok · 02-08-2017 08:44AM

Liam O wrote: »

In fairness Barca played it, or at least very close to it, in the Pep years without getting many injuries. Almost like they were doing something Klopp wont/can't do to avoid them. But that's all speculation.

This season I think the lack of quality through the middle will be Liverpool's undoing. Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lallana and Can are all good players and I think Lallana has always been underrated but that's not a group of midfield options who are going to win the league imo. Teams are going to be playing an even more entrenched style against them this season too which will negate the pace on the wings too.

La liga and premier league are chalk and cheese. No easy games in premier league, majority of games in la liga are walkovers for barca

adox · 02-08-2017 08:54AM

Barca also had fantastic ball retention too so spent a relatively small percentage of most games doing it, although I do agree it was their game plan when they didnt have the ball.

clubberlang12 · 02-08-2017 09:10AM

Another reason why i believe Klopp's high intensity philosophy won't fully work in the premiership, is that he formed his fondness of that style of football in a league where there is a winter break lasting nearly a month. This is ideal for reconditioning of players using that style. However in England, the Christmas period is one of the busiest, if not the busiest, periods of the season. I tdon't think it's coincidence that they seemed to hit a bit of a wall in around that period last season.

jayo26 · 02-08-2017 09:29AM

Who changed the title of the liverpool thread to Manchester United when I was asleep ye fekers.

Won't only be pool tho chelsea have a pretty small squad too that's going to be interesting although they don't run as much as pool but still plenty of games.

Only one I worry a bought right now to is how united hit the ground we need to be firing from the off pre season couldn't of went any better so far and plenty of games to get fitness up which is what jose always wants.

scudzilla · 02-08-2017 09:31AM

clubberlang12 wrote: »

Another reason why i believe Klopp's high intensity philosophy won't fully work in the premiership, is that he formed his fondness of that style of football in a league where there is a winter break lasting nearly a month. This is ideal for reconditioning of players using that style. However in England, the Christmas period is one of the busiest, if not the busiest, periods of the season. I tdon't think it's coincidence that they seemed to hit a bit of a wall in around that period last season.

Even then the christmas period isn't as bad as it used to be, i remember when i went home and away, 1 year we had Charlton at home and the NEXT DAY Watford away, imagine the screams if that happened these days

Mitch Connor · 02-08-2017 09:32AM

Will be interesting to see if United move for another wing target, with Perisic looking increasingly unlikely to get done; no talk of it getting close, or even discussions taking place. Chelsea apparently sniffing round Candevara (sp?) and if he leaves Inter I think that is Perisic certainly staying. Maybe he needs to refuse to play like Matic...

Not heard of any alternative links to wide players - Bernadeshi or whatever his name is was linked, but he signed for Juve last week. Forsberg at Leipzig was another mentioned last week but Leipzig have been very strong on not selling this summer, so I can't see that being any easier than getting Perisic was. If Neymar signs for PSG then I reckon Lucas Moura could be on the market, but having already rejected us before I'm not sure if it is a deal we could get done... but sure we bought Pogba last summer. I'd worry Lucas would be another Memphis though. Talented but not able to put that talent to practical use on the pitch.

What other wingers could/should we be after. Felipe Anderson? We've been linked with him in the past.

bennyineire · 02-08-2017 09:36AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Who changed the title of the liverpool thread to Manchester United when I was asleep ye fekers.

Won't only be pool tho chelsea have a pretty small squad too that's going to be interesting although they don't run as much as pool but still plenty of games.

Only one I worry a bought right now to is how united hit the ground we need to be firing from the off pre season couldn't of went any better so far and plenty of games to get fitness up which is what jose always wants.

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caviardreams · 02-08-2017 09:40AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Who changed the title of the liverpool thread to Manchester United when I was asleep ye fekers.

Won't only be pool tho chelsea have a pretty small squad too that's going to be interesting although they don't run as much as pool but still plenty of games.

Only one I worry a bought right now to is how united hit the ground we need to be firing from the off pre season couldn't of went any better so far and plenty of games to get fitness up which is what jose always wants.

Yeah, when I looked at the pre-season schedule I thought, that's a lot of games, but I think it will pay off in terms of fitness and (hopefully!) starting off up to speed. So far Spurs have looked a bit off the pace (even for pre-season) and I think that's because they have had less pre-season games and got started a bit later I think, so it may mean they take a couple of games to get going once the season starts too.

The pre-season looks to have at least gone well from a logistical point of view (compared with last year's China issues) and hopefully no injuries if tonight and the super cup go ok. Can't really ask for more than that.

Mitch Connor · 02-08-2017 09:45AM

On top of my desire for us still to get an actual winger - I'm surprised by the links to aurier, though maybe it is BS. A few places pushing it. Miguel Delaney (though some hate him!) saying it is on, Mirror saying it is on. We probably won't know til next week anyway, when his visa hearing is, apparently.

I would have thought a left back more required than a right back, and if going for a right back I would have thought someone like Semedo (though maybe we tried and he chose Barcelona). A young player, we could possibly rotate with Valencia.

Maybe Jose will push Valencia forward on the right, with Aurier behind him, rather than Perisic (or whomever) who seems to be a left sided target.

Billy86 · 02-08-2017 09:48AM

clubberlang12 wrote: »

Another reason why i believe Klopp's high intensity philosophy won't fully work in the premiership, is that he formed his fondness of that style of football in a league where there is a winter break lasting nearly a month. This is ideal for reconditioning of players using that style. However in England, the Christmas period is one of the busiest, if not the busiest, periods of the season. I tdon't think it's coincidence that they seemed to hit a bit of a wall in around that period last season.

I think it can be highly successful, but for the reasons you mentioned I think it also requires very good depth in the Premiership, with numerous players needed to slot in seemlessly (rather than just being 'good backups' - and while it was for a different reason, ANC, we saw how badly they struggled without Mane last year).

TheDoc · 02-08-2017 09:53AM

Would definitely raise questions about Jose signing Serge Aurier. There is no question about talent, but this is buying a lose cannon. And I'm not sure why all of a sudden we need a new RB? A RB that I doubt will be happy playing 3rd choice to Valencia and Darmian (or Darmian leaving?) that could set off his antics.

Granted if he sorts his **** out, the best RB in Europe is sitting there waiting to come out. But that is a pretty big if, and it's a significant enough risk for the reported 27-30m.

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