Biker murder.

ethical · 01-08-2017 02:32PM

.....and I suppose those lads are " up early in the morning"!!!, going to work,paying taxes etc!!!!!

jimgoose · 01-08-2017 02:42PM

This isn't about a couple of pot-bellied oul' biys fighting over the right to ride around Murroe. There's a fair bit going on here that you won't hear about in the papers. It's international, and that's the problem.

AllForIt · 01-08-2017 02:49PM

jimgoose wrote: »

This isn't about a couple of pot-bellied oul' biys fighting over the right to ride around Murroe. There's a fair bit going on here that you won't hear about in the papers. It's international, and that's the problem.

It's personal ?

jimgoose · 01-08-2017 02:50PM

AllForIt wrote: »

It's personal ?

Not really, no. Not directly, at any rate.

schizo1014 · 01-08-2017 02:57PM

To be fair to the 1% clubs in Ireland, they are nowhere near as bad as clubs in the likes of North America, Germany or Scandinavia. Its also a lot more than just a bunch of stereotypical men thinking they're in Sons of Anarchy too.

kylith · 01-08-2017 03:50PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

there in there 50's now, gangs have been around decades, ya dont join at 50 lol.. even though you could i suppose,those lads probably been in clubs for 20-30 years,so it means a lot to them.

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

jimgoose · 01-08-2017 03:52PM

kylith wrote: »

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

Wait until you see what's coming, if Alliance Ireland fail.

marklazarcovic · 01-08-2017 03:58PM

kylith wrote: »

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

01-08-2017 04:04PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Wait until you see what's coming, if Alliance Ireland fail.

what?

marklazarcovic wrote: »

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

Well, they usually have a gang backing them up, so bunch of childish cowards really. On what authority are they going around issuing instructions/limitations to other people?
Whats the purpose? a criminal angle? connections to other European bike gangs.

r93kaey5p2izun · 01-08-2017 04:05PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

This type of attitude is typical of their defenders but it's nonsense. Would I tell Kinahan gang members what I think if them to their face? No. But that doesn't make my opinion that they are sad knuckle dragging scumbags any less valid.

But anyway, yes I have told members of an MC what I think of them as I have the misfortune to be related to a couple.

jimgoose · 01-08-2017 04:06PM

1874 wrote: »

what?...

The Hell's Angels, American-style with extra pickle.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2017 04:19PM

This is an isolated incident. The vast vast majority of people in 1% clubs (which have existed for decades) in Ireland are in no way involved in criminality.

Just motorcycle enthusiasts who enjoy the camaraderie of being in a fraternity.

job seeker · 01-08-2017 04:32PM

schizo1014 wrote: »

To be fair to the 1% clubs in Ireland, they are nowhere near as bad as clubs in the likes of North America, Germany or Scandinavia. Its also a lot more than just a bunch of stereotypical men thinking they're in Sons of Anarchy too.

What does the 1% mean?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2017 04:40PM

job seeker wrote: »

What does the 1% mean?

It goes back to some riot carried out at a biker meetup in 1940s California.

In the aftermath the American Motorcycle Association declared that 99% of motorcycle users are law abiding citizens. Some of these 'outlaw' clubs took up the 1% tag as a tongue in cheek gesture.

jimgoose · 01-08-2017 04:53PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It goes back to some riot carried out at a biker meetup in 1940s California.

In the aftermath the American Motorcycle Association declared that 99% of motorcycle users are law abiding citizens. Some of these 'outlaw' clubs took up the 1% tag as a tongue in cheek gesture.

Hollister, CA in 1947. It wasn't much of a riot, a good many of them were drinking too much, trick-riding and "whooping and hollering", then passing out on people's lawns. There were only seven police officers in the town, and some 4,000 "visitors", and at the time the press made oul' shoes out of the whole thing to some extent. :pac:

whisky_galore · 01-08-2017 04:55PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is an isolated incident. The vast vast majority of people in 1% clubs (which have existed for decades) in Ireland are in no way involved in criminality.

Just motorcycle enthusiasts who enjoy the camaraderie of being in a fraternity.

So is it just 1% of 1% that are criminals?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2017 05:26PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

So is it just 1% of 1% that are criminals?

In Ireland it's not a big issue.

However in parts of Europe and North America it certainly is. Certain Chapters of Hells Angels, Outlaws, Bandidos, Pagans are well known to be heavily involved in organised crime.

01-08-2017 05:54PM

Unless there is some criminal activity involved, what possible reason could they have for this ridiculous behaviour? which ended up in some guy getting shot?
are they involved in something or just in over their heads and it got out of hand? territory, turf, jackets, patches, what a joke, its so ridiculous. Be in a bike gang/club by all means but all this being offended because someone wore a jacket with their patches on someone elses alleged turf is insane.

Ipso · 01-08-2017 05:58PM

1874 wrote: »

Unless there is some criminal activity involved, what possible reason could they have for this ridiculous behaviour? which ended up in some guy getting shot?
are they involved in something or just in over their heads and it got out of hand? territory, turf, jackets, patches, what a joke, its so ridiculous. Be in a bike gang/club by all means but all this being offended because someone wore a jacket with their patches on someone elses alleged turf is insane.

A Bord na Mona team building exercise gone wrong.

rightyabe · 01-08-2017 06:22PM

Plenty of turf wars in Donegal at the moment..the interfering midgets don't help matters either

kona · 01-08-2017 06:23PM

If the hells angels etc are being kept outside of ireland by the alliance, how exactley do they achieve this!?
I suspect its more to do with our own criminal groups and ira having it all sewn up.

schizo1014 · 01-08-2017 06:43PM

kona wrote: »

If the hells angels etc are being kept outside of ireland by the alliance, how exactley do they achieve this!?
I suspect its more to do with our own criminal groups and ira having it all sewn up.

Probably don't have enough members maybe due to people joining homegrown Irish clubs although there are plenty of Outlaws clubs and support clubs in Ireland now so it looks like its only a matter of time. There are also Hells Angels in the North so the IRA theory is out the window.

SnakePlissken · 01-08-2017 08:12PM

jimgoose wrote: »

1874 wrote: »

what?...

The Hell's Angels, American-style with extra pickle.

But the hells angels are already in ireland, their clubhouse is in Dublin 15 .

01-08-2017 08:38PM

Knew a couple of fellows involved in a motorbike gang in Waterford in the late 80s and early 90s. Worked in a hotel in South Kerry.

They were actually really nice fellows, the types who would chat to anyone. They drank Jack Daniels like it was water mind you, one of them later died when he fell asleep in a field coming back from the pub on New Year's Eve in the late 90s and got pneumonia. Was in Waterford a couple of years ago and went to visit his family just to say he was such a nice guy and everyone was very fond of him.

kylith · 01-08-2017 11:55PM

Christian Old Weakling wrote: »

This type of attitude is typical of their defenders but it's nonsense. Would I tell Kinahan gang members what I think if them to their face? No. But that doesn't make my opinion that they are sad knuckle dragging scumbags any less valid.

But anyway, yes I have told members of an MC what I think of them as I have the misfortune to be related to a couple.

Exactly. Would I say it to their face? No; I have a terrible allergy to getting shot in the face. Do I still think that grown men beating the sh!te out of and killing each other over who wears what jacket where is pathetic? Damn right I do.

irishproduce · 02-08-2017 01:25AM

They took his waistcoat off him which had his cabaleros sign sewn into the back of it.
I have this image of a middle aged man sitting at home sewing the thing on to his waistcoat. Or worse, having his wife do it. What must a fellas wife think when asked to sew a gang badge on to a jacket.

washman3 · 02-08-2017 01:45AM

irishproduce wrote: »

They took his waistcoat off him which had his cabaleros sign sewn into the back of it.
I have this image of a middle aged man sitting at home sewing the thing on to his waistcoat. Or worse, having his wife do it. What must a fellas wife think when asked to sew a gang badge on to a jacket.

She even went to the pub with him. Sad,sad people.
Saw a young wan (probably his daughter) going in and out of the trial with him.
She seemed over the moon to be the focus of the TV cameras. A kind of 'badge of honor'
These people probably had no childhood, and are living in a time warp now.

K.Flyer · 02-08-2017 03:14AM

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

These lads have been clearly watching too much sons Of Anarchy.

Just to clarify one thing...

M.C. clubs have been in Ireland for about 40 years.
The M.C. scene started in the U.S. almost 70 years ago and the lifestyle is similar throughout most of the clubs.
Sons of Anarchy (2008 - 2014) is a t.v. fictional depiction of the M.C. lifestyle. So nobody was watching it to get any ideas.
If anyone wants to learn more about the international M.C., scene its history, the clubs, who they historically get on with, and who they don't, it's all available on-line, go look it up.
Some of the of the bad feelings between some clubs run so deep and have such a long history it makes Dublin "gangland" look like a tea party.

irishproduce · 02-08-2017 04:07AM

But why? Why have dislike toward each other? What's at stake? It seems like a silly game in the context of little old Ireland

LordSutch · 02-08-2017 08:19AM

Biker gangs (in Ireland) in this day & age!

Who'd of thought it.

I always presumed that biker gangs were the preserve of Britain & the USA, never guessed there was a local variety too!

Biker murder.

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