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Biker murder.

Ralf and Florian

These lads have been clearly watching too much sons Of Anarchy. The Road Tramps FFS!

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2017/0731/894222-alan-mcnamara-court/

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ethical

.....and I suppose those lads are " up early in the morning"!!!, going to work,paying taxes etc!!!!!

jimgoose

This isn't about a couple of pot-bellied oul' biys fighting over the right to ride around Murroe. There's a fair bit going on here that you won't hear about in the papers. It's international, and that's the problem.

AllForIt

jimgoose wrote: »

This isn't about a couple of pot-bellied oul' biys fighting over the right to ride around Murroe. There's a fair bit going on here that you won't hear about in the papers. It's international, and that's the problem.

It's personal ?

jimgoose

AllForIt wrote: »

It's personal ?

Not really, no. Not directly, at any rate.

schizo1014

To be fair to the 1% clubs in Ireland, they are nowhere near as bad as clubs in the likes of North America, Germany or Scandinavia. Its also a lot more than just a bunch of stereotypical men thinking they're in Sons of Anarchy too.

kylith

marklazarcovic wrote: »

there in there 50's now, gangs have been around decades, ya dont join at 50 lol.. even though you could i suppose,those lads probably been in clubs for 20-30 years,so it means a lot to them.

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

jimgoose

kylith wrote: »

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

Wait until you see what's coming, if Alliance Ireland fail.

marklazarcovic

kylith wrote: »

Don't give a toss, it's pathetic and, as I said, I wouldn't put up with that behaviour from a 5 year old. "My gang's better than your gang" belongs in the playground.

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

1874

jimgoose wrote: »

Wait until you see what's coming, if Alliance Ireland fail.

what?

marklazarcovic wrote: »

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

Well, they usually have a gang backing them up, so bunch of childish cowards really. On what authority are they going around issuing instructions/limitations to other people?
Whats the purpose? a criminal angle? connections to other European bike gangs.

r93kaey5p2izun

marklazarcovic wrote: »

would you be so in your face to one of them face to face?

This type of attitude is typical of their defenders but it's nonsense. Would I tell Kinahan gang members what I think if them to their face? No. But that doesn't make my opinion that they are sad knuckle dragging scumbags any less valid.

But anyway, yes I have told members of an MC what I think of them as I have the misfortune to be related to a couple.

jimgoose

1874 wrote: »

what?...

The Hell's Angels, American-style with extra pickle.

DEFTLEFTHAND

This is an isolated incident. The vast vast majority of people in 1% clubs (which have existed for decades) in Ireland are in no way involved in criminality.

Just motorcycle enthusiasts who enjoy the camaraderie of being in a fraternity.

job seeker

schizo1014 wrote: »

To be fair to the 1% clubs in Ireland, they are nowhere near as bad as clubs in the likes of North America, Germany or Scandinavia. Its also a lot more than just a bunch of stereotypical men thinking they're in Sons of Anarchy too.

What does the 1% mean?

DEFTLEFTHAND

job seeker wrote: »

What does the 1% mean?

It goes back to some riot carried out at a biker meetup in 1940s California.

In the aftermath the American Motorcycle Association declared that 99% of motorcycle users are law abiding citizens. Some of these 'outlaw' clubs took up the 1% tag as a tongue in cheek gesture.

jimgoose

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It goes back to some riot carried out at a biker meetup in 1940s California.

In the aftermath the American Motorcycle Association declared that 99% of motorcycle users are law abiding citizens. Some of these 'outlaw' clubs took up the 1% tag as a tongue in cheek gesture.

Hollister, CA in 1947. It wasn't much of a riot, a good many of them were drinking too much, trick-riding and "whooping and hollering", then passing out on people's lawns. There were only seven police officers in the town, and some 4,000 "visitors", and at the time the press made oul' shoes out of the whole thing to some extent. :pac:

whisky_galore

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is an isolated incident. The vast vast majority of people in 1% clubs (which have existed for decades) in Ireland are in no way involved in criminality.

Just motorcycle enthusiasts who enjoy the camaraderie of being in a fraternity.

So is it just 1% of 1% that are criminals?

DEFTLEFTHAND

whisky_galore wrote: »

So is it just 1% of 1% that are criminals?

In Ireland it's not a big issue.

However in parts of Europe and North America it certainly is. Certain Chapters of Hells Angels, Outlaws, Bandidos, Pagans are well known to be heavily involved in organised crime.

1874

Unless there is some criminal activity involved, what possible reason could they have for this ridiculous behaviour? which ended up in some guy getting shot?
are they involved in something or just in over their heads and it got out of hand? territory, turf, jackets, patches, what a joke, its so ridiculous. Be in a bike gang/club by all means but all this being offended because someone wore a jacket with their patches on someone elses alleged turf is insane.

Ipso

1874 wrote: »

Unless there is some criminal activity involved, what possible reason could they have for this ridiculous behaviour? which ended up in some guy getting shot?
are they involved in something or just in over their heads and it got out of hand? territory, turf, jackets, patches, what a joke, its so ridiculous. Be in a bike gang/club by all means but all this being offended because someone wore a jacket with their patches on someone elses alleged turf is insane.

A Bord na Mona team building exercise gone wrong.

rightyabe

Plenty of turf wars in Donegal at the moment..the interfering midgets don't help matters either

kona

If the hells angels etc are being kept outside of ireland by the alliance, how exactley do they achieve this!?
I suspect its more to do with our own criminal groups and ira having it all sewn up.

schizo1014

kona wrote: »

If the hells angels etc are being kept outside of ireland by the alliance, how exactley do they achieve this!?
I suspect its more to do with our own criminal groups and ira having it all sewn up.

Probably don't have enough members maybe due to people joining homegrown Irish clubs although there are plenty of Outlaws clubs and support clubs in Ireland now so it looks like its only a matter of time. There are also Hells Angels in the North so the IRA theory is out the window.

SnakePlissken

jimgoose wrote: »

1874 wrote: »

what?...

The Hell's Angels, American-style with extra pickle.

But the hells angels are already in ireland, their clubhouse is in Dublin 15 .

[Deleted User]

Knew a couple of fellows involved in a motorbike gang in Waterford in the late 80s and early 90s. Worked in a hotel in South Kerry.

They were actually really nice fellows, the types who would chat to anyone. They drank Jack Daniels like it was water mind you, one of them later died when he fell asleep in a field coming back from the pub on New Year's Eve in the late 90s and got pneumonia. Was in Waterford a couple of years ago and went to visit his family just to say he was such a nice guy and everyone was very fond of him.

kylith

Christian Old Weakling wrote: »

This type of attitude is typical of their defenders but it's nonsense. Would I tell Kinahan gang members what I think if them to their face? No. But that doesn't make my opinion that they are sad knuckle dragging scumbags any less valid.

But anyway, yes I have told members of an MC what I think of them as I have the misfortune to be related to a couple.

Exactly. Would I say it to their face? No; I have a terrible allergy to getting shot in the face. Do I still think that grown men beating the sh!te out of and killing each other over who wears what jacket where is pathetic? Damn right I do.

irishproduce

They took his waistcoat off him which had his cabaleros sign sewn into the back of it.
I have this image of a middle aged man sitting at home sewing the thing on to his waistcoat. Or worse, having his wife do it. What must a fellas wife think when asked to sew a gang badge on to a jacket.

washman3

irishproduce wrote: »

They took his waistcoat off him which had his cabaleros sign sewn into the back of it.
I have this image of a middle aged man sitting at home sewing the thing on to his waistcoat. Or worse, having his wife do it. What must a fellas wife think when asked to sew a gang badge on to a jacket.

She even went to the pub with him. Sad,sad people.
Saw a young wan (probably his daughter) going in and out of the trial with him.
She seemed over the moon to be the focus of the TV cameras. A kind of 'badge of honor'
These people probably had no childhood, and are living in a time warp now.

K.Flyer

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

These lads have been clearly watching too much sons Of Anarchy.

Just to clarify one thing...

M.C. clubs have been in Ireland for about 40 years.
The M.C. scene started in the U.S. almost 70 years ago and the lifestyle is similar throughout most of the clubs.
Sons of Anarchy (2008 - 2014) is a t.v. fictional depiction of the M.C. lifestyle. So nobody was watching it to get any ideas.
If anyone wants to learn more about the international M.C., scene its history, the clubs, who they historically get on with, and who they don't, it's all available on-line, go look it up.
Some of the of the bad feelings between some clubs run so deep and have such a long history it makes Dublin "gangland" look like a tea party.

irishproduce

But why? Why have dislike toward each other? What's at stake? It seems like a silly game in the context of little old Ireland

LordSutch

Biker gangs (in Ireland) in this day & age!

Who'd of thought it.

I always presumed that biker gangs were the preserve of Britain & the USA, never guessed there was a local variety too!