Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Trigger · 01-08-2017 01:02PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not club captain, he wasn't.

It was a joke

Jayop · 01-08-2017 01:15PM

astradave wrote: »

It was a joke

Would be obvious to all but the craic police.

caviardreams · 01-08-2017 01:26PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Matic birthday today. Hope he got a cake

Does that make him 30 now given that yesterday everyone was saying we paid "£50m for a 29 year old"?

brinty · 01-08-2017 01:28PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Pew Pew

Can't we all be friends again?

brinty · 01-08-2017 01:30PM

astradave wrote: »

Fellaini was Captain last season

#justsaying

Bangkok wept that day

#justsaying

Am i doing it right...

Trigger · 01-08-2017 01:31PM

brinty wrote: »

Fr. Ted image

You really need to get that chip off your shoulder Brinty :pac:

brinty · 01-08-2017 01:34PM

astradave wrote: »

You really need to get that chip off your shoulder Brinty :pac:

Somehow i know this will all get blamed on me and I've not been posting any lady pictures in a long time....

If we make one more signing i'm gonna have to post one or all off our lovely ladies in their best red outfits....

Billy86 · 01-08-2017 01:38PM

bangkok wrote: »

Ah seriously, come off it. Carrick has over 700 career games in midfield, has been lauded all over europe by ex managers and players, players that played for him, watching him live at old trafford he has been a class act. How has blind been more productive during his brief spell there and how many games has he actually played there. If he was that good there he would have made a career out of that position.

Also, "scholes level of inflation"?? You didnt rate him? He was easily one of the best midfielders in the world at his peak

Pretty much spot on, the fact he was seen as an exciting young playmaker at West Ham and Spurs kind of worked against how a good bit of the general public viewed him otherwise. Carrick is basically the same type of player as Xabi Alonso, I would personally rate Alonso higher but only by a little over their careers, excellent readers of the game with great defensive instincts/discipline who were also very good in possession. Could pick out a pass when needed, but given their typical roles, were again very disciplined about keeping the ball going for us.

I know TheDoc isn't saying he doesn't rate Carrick so it's not referring to him, but I have had a laugh down the years at the number of United fans who have even detested him in some cases while lauding Alonso as exactly the type of player we could use.

brinty · 01-08-2017 01:44PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Pretty much spot on, the fact he was seen as an exciting young playmaker at West Ham and Spurs kind of worked against how a good bit of the general public viewed him otherwise. Carrick is basically the same type of player as Xabi Alonso, I would personally rate Alonso higher but only by a little over their careers, excellent readers of the game with great defensive instincts/discipline who were also very good in possession. Could pick out a pass when needed, but given their typical roles, were again very disciplined about keeping the ball going for us.

I know TheDoc isn't saying he doesn't rate Carrick so it's not referring to him, but I have had a laugh down the years at the number of United fans who have even detested him in some cases while lauding Alonso as exactly the type of player we could use.

Well said Billy, my thoughts on Carrick exactly.. he's been that Denis Irwin type of player, 7 or 8 of 10 every game, nothing flashy or fussy, just does his job quietly and effectively. A perfect foil for Scholes in that he broke the play up and gave the ball to the guy who could do something with it.
As a younger player he could play those balls but wasn't required to do so at United because he'd Scholes beside him. He did play them on occasion but wasn't required to so people under appreciate the impact he had. The fact so many of his contemporaries speak so highly off him is more an indication of his ability.

01-08-2017 01:45PM

What happened rachel riley or do ye not like her anymore

brinty · 01-08-2017 01:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What happened rachel riley or do ye not like her anymore

#RileyisRed

TheDoc · 01-08-2017 01:52PM

jayo26 wrote: »

I'd just love people to be able have an opinion on here without been called mental or insane and so on kind of ruins the buzz of debating an opinion.

Or else someone else quips in and says I don't know how someone can say such and such about a player blah blah blah eh if your talking about my opinion bloody quote me.

Rant over love ye all.

Ah now stop that was mental

JaMarcusHustle · 01-08-2017 01:56PM

Personally I don't think Carrick was ever as good or as consistent as Alonso. By quite a large margin.

Robson99 · 01-08-2017 01:57PM

bangkok wrote: »

What about champions league games where we got to 3 finals in 4 years and he was at the heart of that midfield?

Which was torn to pieces by Barcelona

Adamocovic · 01-08-2017 02:06PM

We can all go around debating or arguing here what we think about Carrick but there is no denying that he's highly regarded by his fellow players and managers. Great player who has served us brilliantly.

I think Michael’s the best central midfielder in English football. I think he’s the best English player in the game.”
– Sir Alex Ferguson, December 2014

“Scholes and Carrick together was peaceful. It was like going into a bar and hearing a piano playing. It’s relaxing.”
– Gary Neville

“Carrick gives United balance and can play defensively too. He passes well, has a good shot and is a complete player."
– Xavi, speaking prior to the Champions League final against United in 2009.

“Carrick could play for Barcelona, he has good vision and is an intelligent player”.
– Arsene Wenger

“Michael is a different breed to the likes of Roy and Nicky Butt,” said Scholes. “They were brilliant, but so is Michael in a different way. He brings calmness to the game and parades around the pitch like a Rolls-Royce. I’ve always found him very easy to play with. He’s capable of doing anything. He can create goals, score goals, he’s a great passer of the ball and is a big strong lad with a lot of presence who can run all day long."
– Paul Scholes

“Not only this season but every year. People do not realise the amount of work Carrick delivers until he has gone."
– Thierry Henry, labeling Michael Carrick as one of the most underrated players of his generation.

“Michael Carrick is a magical midfielder and another who goes about his work with little fuss."
– Harry Redknapp

“In English football sometimes it seems hard for people to rate those who instead of shining themselves make the team work as a collective. For example Michael Carrick . . . who makes those around him play.”
– Xabi Alonso

bangkok · 01-08-2017 02:06PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Which was torn to pieces by Barcelona

The greatest club side in the history of the game. Nothing to be ashamed about

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 02:07PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Which was torn to pieces by Barcelona

Who did he play beside in those games?

Who was he playing against? He was part of a midfield that was outclassed by a trio of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi - his passing must not be that good so.

brinty · 01-08-2017 02:10PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who did he play beside in those games?

Who was he playing against? He was part of a midfield that was outclassed by a trio of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi - his passing must not be that good so.

2009 - Anderson and Giggs in a three
2011 - Giggs in a two.. flanked by Park and Valencia..

01-08-2017 02:10PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Ah now stop that was mental

It's better than another Rooney debate!

Robson99 · 01-08-2017 02:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who did he play beside in those games?

Who was he playing against? He was part of a midfield that was outclassed by a trio of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi - his passing must not be that good so.

Ya fair enough he was only part of the problem. A good player yes but a great player no.
Part of the problem I think was we were coming off the back of our best middle of the park partnership in Keane and Scholes which could operate as a two. Carrick always gave the impression that he needed two with him

Robson99 · 01-08-2017 02:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who did he play beside in those games?

Who was he playing against? He was part of a midfield that was outclassed by a trio of Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi - his passing must not be that good so.

Ya fair enough he was only part of the problem. A good player yes but a great player no.
Part of the problem I think was we were coming off the back of our best middle of the park partnership in Keane and Scholes which could operate as a two. Carrick always gave the impression that he needed two with him

Mitch Connor · 01-08-2017 02:17PM

brinty wrote: »

2009 - Anderson and Giggs in a three
2011 - Giggs in a two.. flanked by Park and Valencia..

ugh, the fact we regressed from the 2009 midfield, seemingly learning NOTHING from the 09 farce, still irritates me so much.

How could Fergie not address it? IT IS MIND BOGGLING!

bangkok · 01-08-2017 02:20PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Ya fair enough he was only part of the problem. A good player yes but a great player no.
Part of the problem I think was we were coming off the back of our best middle of the park partnership in Keane and Scholes which could operate as a two. Carrick always gave the impression that he needed two with him

442 was the formation back in the day. United were blessed to have beckham and giggs on either wing with keane/scholes in the middle. Times changed and fergie went with a 4231 or 433 formation.

Also we are no comparing carrick to the likes of xavi etc some of the greatest midfielders ever. No one ever said he was at that level but he was still a class player

Billy86 · 01-08-2017 02:25PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Which was torn to pieces by Barcelona

Which is disappointing, but ignores the fact that that Barcelona team are quite possibly the best starting XI to ever play the game.

Minderbinder · 01-08-2017 02:55PM

I always thought Carrick was better without the ball. A great reader of the game and good positional sense. A solid passer but I wouldn't call him a creative player.

sky88 · 01-08-2017 03:03PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

ugh, the fact we regressed from the 2009 midfield, seemingly learning NOTHING from the 09 farce, still irritates me so much.

How could Fergie not address it? IT IS MIND BOGGLING!

i dont think ive ever been annoyed so much at a teamsheet then that night

bangkok · 01-08-2017 03:10PM

sky88 wrote: »

i dont think ive ever been annoyed so much at a teamsheet then that night

What i would do now to have a season like that again......premier league champions, league cup winners, fifa world club cup champions, community shield winners, fa cup semi final and champions league runners up.

Adamocovic · 01-08-2017 03:11PM

sky88 wrote: »

i dont think ive ever been annoyed so much at a teamsheet then that night

This to me still is one of the weirdest teamsheets I remember us using!

ManUnitedArsenal.jpg?strip=all&w=742&h=417&crop=1

...still ended up beating Arsenal 2-0 though :pac:

bangkok · 01-08-2017 03:16PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

This to me still is one of the weirdest teamsheets I remember us using!

...still ended up beating Arsenal 2-0 though :pac:

The genius of ferguson!

How Soon Is Now · 01-08-2017 03:17PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

This to me still is one of the weirdest teamsheets I remember us using!

...still ended up beating Arsenal 2-0 though :pac:

If we played that team now be well beaten!

There was just something about fergie there where times having him there alone would win you the game.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

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