Kevin Myers, jew've just been erased

30-07-2017 05:15PM

timthumbni wrote: »

"West Brit" its super cute that republicans still use that term. Bravo...

Are you really trying to say Myers, that English-accented arch defender of the British Empire and demoniser of all the Irish who fought against it, is not a West Brit?

Good luck with that one!

RayM · 30-07-2017 05:15PM

snowflaker wrote: »

He did, in the indo, a few years ago. They only deleted the article today

Also in the Irish Times (back in 2005), when he referred to the children of unmarried mothers as "bastards". It's amazing that it's taken so long for a publication to sack him.

30-07-2017 05:18PM

snowflaker wrote: »

Kevin targeted the wrong minority and finally, got stung

This. 100%.

Danzy · 30-07-2017 05:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you really trying to say Myers, that English-accented arch defender of the British Empire and demoniser of all the Irish who fought against it, is not a West Brit?

Good luck with that one!

There is no Jew worse than a Provo Jew?

The list of people that Kevin views as kindling is quite long.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 30-07-2017 05:19PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

There was a 1 hour interview with him on Eamon Dunphy's podcast ('The Stand') in the last couple of weeks. Myers started off on the hard left, student revolutionary etc. Now, he says, he is against the 'tyranny of the left'.

I think the reference to the journalists being Jewish was just provocative for no good reason. It didn't even have anything to do with his argument. It's already being reported in Israeli press, and is no doubt adding to the Israeli perception of UK & Irish people as being antisemitic. Now, the next time Israel bombs two thousand people in retaliation for rockets being fired, any comment from the Irish or UK press will be more easily dismissed as antisemitism.

It's also pretty cowardly and hypocritical of the editors to publish it, and then retract it. They either should have spiked it beforehand (best option, in my opinion), or stood over it afterwards.

The rest of the extracts I've seen were mealy-mouthed excuses for an argument. He doesn't know who the women's agents are, and he doesn't know if men work harder, or negotiate harder, so he feels it's ok to throw it out there as a unsubstantiated suggestion, knowing that nobody can refute it either.

I never looked into his back story before, because why would I be bothered?

But within a few minutes of that podcast my armchair psychologist hat was out. He essentially (without enough self awareness) behaves the way he does because of what happened to his dad. Who was forced to leave a successful GP career behind in Ireland because of anti Protestant/Unionist feeling at the time. His dad was supported by a then Fianna Fail TD but he was still forced out of his livelihood. His whole family grew up in England, and Kevin only came to Ireland as a 'foreign' quota student (where RTE subsequently hired him as a front line reporter straight out of college).

You would have the feeling that it took a strange mix of different ingredients to create a stew as strange as Mr. Myers.

He's lived an interesting life though in fairness to him, and all the 'international outrage' in the world isn't going to change that.

Dunphy Podcast with him.

strandroad · 30-07-2017 05:20PM

snowflaker wrote: »

Kevin targeted the wrong minority and finally, got stung

I can only imagine the editing process: Sexist fantasies, legit... oh sh*t, we let the Jewish stuff through.

timthumbni · 30-07-2017 05:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you really trying to say Myers, that English-accented arch defender of the British Empire and demoniser of all the Irish who fought against it, is not a West Brit?

Good luck with that one!

It's a pretty ****ty term though is it not? I can only imagine what you would describe me as a Norn Iron unionist as.

Doesn't bode well for a so called "Ireland of equals" now does it. Expect a knock on the door from sf anytime as you shouldn't be voicing your true thoughts. Bad for Irish republican pr and all that jazz.. ;-)

snowflaker · 30-07-2017 05:27PM

RayM wrote: »

Also in the Irish Times (back in 2005), when he referred to the children of unmarried mothers as "bastards". It's amazing that it's taken so long for a publication to sack him.

Not Jewish bastards though

30-07-2017 05:29PM

timthumbni wrote: »

It's a pretty ****ty term though is it not? I can only imagine what you would describe me as a Norn Iron unionist as.

Doesn't bode well for a so called "Ireland of equals" now does it. Expect a knock on the door from sf anytime as you shouldn't be voicing your true thoughts. Bad for Irish republican pr and all that jazz.. ;-)

Actually, I think West Brit/Seoinis a perfectly accurate term for all the anglocentric types who live in Ireland and whose world view revolves not around Ireland or Europe but around Britain (i.e. England and the extended English state that covers the island of Britain). Politically, culturally and intellectually Myers' world revolves profoundly around the history and nationalist myths which underpin the English/British tradition and its state, not around the history and nationalist myths which underpin the Irish tradition and its state.

Why would you think West Brit is not a perfectly accurate description of such people? Can you think of a better one?

Cultural Cringe

30-07-2017 05:32PM

timthumbni wrote: »

It's a pretty ****ty term though is it not? I can only imagine what you would describe me as a Norn Iron unionist as.

Doesn't bode well for a so called "Ireland of equals" now does it. Expect a knock on the door from sf anytime as you shouldn't be voicing your true thoughts. Bad for Irish republican pr and all that jazz.. ;-)

The term 'West Brit' has nothing to do with Northern Ireland unionism.

It's only really relevant in the Republic, to refer to Anglophiles, some of whom seem to rejoice in being referred to in this way.

Here in the Republic, the term is a mild mockery, often intended humorously. Long may we live in a country that isn't tainted by the sectarian slurs and squawking rivalry used by our neighbours in that self-obsessed backwater.

We live in a country that knows how to laugh at catholic/ protestant jokes, and indeed about west Brits, and Irishisms. Try it sometime.

Yourself isit · 30-07-2017 05:39PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Irish is a nothing word in that it can mean anything to anyone. Nobody holds ownership over the interpretation of the word, though many would like to believe they do, and try to.

Sure. Same as Japanese.

timthumbni · 30-07-2017 05:41PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The term 'West Brit' has nothing to do with Northern Ireland unionism.

It's only really relevant in the Republic, to refer to Anglophiles, some of whom seem to rejoice in being referred to in this way.

Here in the Republic, the term is a mild mockery, often intended humorously. Long may we live in a country that isn't tainted by the sectarian slurs and squawking rivalry used by our neighbours in that self-obsessed backwater.

We live in a country that knows how to laugh at catholic/ protestant jokes, and indeed about west Brits, and Irishisms. Try it sometime.

I realise that the term doesn't refer to ni unionists. Hence why I asked what term the poster would refer to ni unionists as.

I have heard the term west Brit on here many times and without fail each time it has been a poster who I would describe as having very pro Ira sympathies. (And I'm basing that on their other posts on numerous threads.)

As for thinking NI as a backwater compared to you lot grow up. Youse will blow hard about the prices of your houses again for a while and then next thing you will be able to buy 2 for 10k euro... plus the brits (not west brits btw) will have to lend you a few bob to keep your lights on......

Yourself isit · 30-07-2017 05:41PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The term 'West Brit' has nothing to do with Northern Ireland unionism.

It's only really relevant in the Republic, to refer to Anglophiles, some of whom seem to rejoice in being referred to in this way.

Here in the Republic, the term is a mild mockery, often intended humorously. Long may we live in a country that isn't tainted by the sectarian slurs and squawking rivalry used by our neighbours in that self-obsessed backwater.

We live in a country that knows how to laugh at catholic/ protestant jokes, and indeed about west Brits, and Irishisms. Try it sometime.

Actually it's not the same as Anglophile. A west brit would (by definition) prefer the union had not ended or that we stayed in the commonwealth.

An Anglophile just likes english - not British - culture.

marienbad · 30-07-2017 05:45PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The term 'West Brit' has nothing to do with Northern Ireland unionism.

It's only really relevant in the Republic, to refer to Anglophiles, some of whom seem to rejoice in being referred to in this way.

Here in the Republic, the term is a mild mockery, often intended humorously. Long may we live in a country that isn't tainted by the sectarian slurs and squawking rivalry used by our neighbours in that self-obsessed backwater.

We live in a country that knows how to laugh at catholic/ protestant jokes, and indeed about west Brits, and Irishisms. Try it sometime.

Surely it depends how the term is used , would I be incorrect in thinking that Fuaranach for instance means it as an insult ?

30-07-2017 05:50PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Youse will blow hard about the prices of your houses again for a while and then next thing you will be able to buy 2 for 10k euro... plus the brits (not west brits btw) will have to lend you a few bob to keep your lights on......

They might well, they've been very reliable friends to us in the recent past.

I don't know of any other two countries such as ours, with such a bloody past, who have turned out to be such close friends. Yes, many of us think the British were off their nut when they voted for Brexit, but people often look askance at their closest friends' mad behaviour. I have no doubt they think we're mental regarding our property obsession, so I guess we're a couple off full-time mad bastards, us and the Brits.

Northern Ireland, though. That's a whole new level of crazy. That's gun-running-flag-burning-screaming-at-your-neighbours-whilst-wearing-bowler-hats crazy.

Many people in the Republic and in Britain have no idea what those guys are playing at, and have little interest in their latest, mind-bogglingly-boring scuffles over those silly marching get-ups, or flegs, or bonfires, or whatever else is going on up there. There are many of us on both sides of the Irish sea who would just like to leave them at it.

They're all arguing over whether they want us or the Brits without thinking, maybe neither of us want them.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 30-07-2017 05:50PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Actually it's not the same as Anglophile. A west brit would (by definition) prefer the union had not ended or that we stayed in the commonwealth.

An Anglophile just likes english - not British - culture.

Nah, an Anglophile is anyone who has a 'grá' for English/British culture, customs and history.

Whereas a West Brit is anyone who has a 'grá' for English/British culture, customs and history, but is actually Irish.

West Brit can be used in a derogatory way for sure (and I wouldn't use it), but it is a perfectly cromulent way to describe an Anglo-Irish person imo.

Rubberchikken · 30-07-2017 05:53PM

I like reading his article every week. Is that so wrong.
Might not always agree but we need writers who can express a different opinion.

30-07-2017 05:53PM

marienbad wrote: »

Surely it depends how the term is used , would I be incorrect in thinking that Fuaranach for instance means it as an insult ?

Of course, it can be an insult, but as I said, it's an insult on the scale of mild mockery.

It's more akin to 'culchie' than to, say 'Taig', on the scale of slurs. it's not even sectarian. Anyone can be a west Brit by choice.

tomofson · 30-07-2017 05:54PM

He insults Irish people everyday and..... nothing.

He has one little pop at the chosen people and of course, out on he's ear in minutes...

I don't like him one bit but that double standard is disgusting.

30-07-2017 05:57PM

marienbad wrote: »

Surely it depends how the term is used , would I be incorrect in thinking that Fuaranach for instance means it as an insult ?

Clearly to Myers and people like him who are intellectually/politically/culturally aligned with the English/British imperialist tradition, it would not be an insult to call them West Brits. They are obviously very proud of their tradition, particularly the mass murdering violence aspect of it that Myers and company euphemistically refer to as their "military tradition" and demand we, the Irish, pay homage to. In fact, in Myers' case, he has spent most of his life as a journalist demanding that the Irish honour those people and demonise those who fought for Irish freedom from their Empire. It's bizarre that anybody could be denying Myers' self-defined proud, unapologetically West Brit status. Let him at it, but let us call it what it is.

Yourself isit · 30-07-2017 06:00PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Nah, an Anglophile is anyone who has a 'grá' for English/British culture, customs and history.

Whereas a West Brit is anyone who has a 'grá' for English/British culture, customs and history, but is actually Irish.

West Brit can be used in a derogatory way for sure (and I wouldn't use it), but it is a perfectly cromulent way to describe an Anglo-Irish person imo.

No. Not the way I would use it. The term west brit used to apply to people who wanted to maintain the union.

Being an Anglophile in ireland just means liking english culture. I like cricket and english castles. I don't like northern unionists or unionism. Or anti irishness.

Water John · 30-07-2017 06:05PM

Well Martin Mcguinees liked his cricket. Hardly, a West Brit.

timthumbni · 30-07-2017 06:06PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They might well, they've been very reliable friends to us in

Northern Ireland, though. That's a whole new level of crazy. That's gun-running-flag-burning-screaming-at-your-neighbours-whilst-wearing-bowler-hats crazy.

Northern Ireland really isn't that bad. We have our problems but doesn't everyone? Sure haven't you lot been knocking each other off in Dublin like a Charles Branson movie over your criminal gangs.

Plus a lot of the gun running was via the south in case you weren't aware...

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 30-07-2017 06:07PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

No. Not the way I would use it. The term west brit used to apply to people who wanted to maintain the union.

Being an Anglophile in ireland just means liking english culture. I like cricket and english castles. I don't like northern unionists or unionism. Or anti irishness.

To be fair, the union of Ireland and Britain finished 100 years ago. So to use the tern West Brit outside of that strict definition seems more than fair now at this stage to me.

30-07-2017 06:10PM

An even better one, as I once saw used on this website (I think), was a coinage to describe those who want Ireland to leave the EU alongside Britain as, "west Brexiteers".

timthumbni · 30-07-2017 06:12PM

Water John wrote: »

Well Martin Mcguinees liked his cricket. Hardly, a West Brit.

He also liked his fishing. I wonder if he perhaps was the "fisherman".......

Dohnjoe · 30-07-2017 06:16PM

tomofson wrote: »

He insults Irish people everyday and..... nothing.

He has one little pop at the chosen people and of course, out on he's ear in minutes...

I don't like him one bit but that double standard is disgusting.

It's not how it works. It's not like for like. More complex than that

Everything has different historical, cultural and social weights and sensitivities behind it

It's socially acceptable for Chris Rock to use the N word in every one one of his shows, because he's black. But would be a big no-no for this guy.

The very fact that an individual knows whether some random celebs are Jews or not is typically enough of a sign that something unpleasant is just under the surface

30-07-2017 06:16PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Kevin Myers, jew've just been erased

Thread title gets funnier each time I look at it.

Collie D · 30-07-2017 06:16PM

timthumbni wrote: »

plus the brits (not west brits btw) will have to lend you a few bob to keep your lights on......

Going way off topic but had to highlight this. If the British cut NI loose tomorrow and NI was established as a sovereign country independent of the UK or Ireland they'd be bust in a month.

timthumbni · 30-07-2017 06:21PM

Collie D wrote: »

Going way off topic but had to highlight this. If the British cut NI loose tomorrow and NI was established as a sovereign country independent of the UK or Ireland they'd be bust in a month.

As would you if the pesky brits hadn't lent you a few bob a few years back. You do realise that you were part of the P.I.I.G.S. problem within the EU.

I don't think that NI has ever indicated in wants independence anyway so your argument is completely irrelevant..

Kevin Myers, jew've just been erased

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