UK reg car speeding question

Cucullan · 30-07-2017 09:54AM #1

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 10:05AM

No - assuming the change in ownership is a day after the speeding event.

Even if they did get your details, just the fine applies not the points. The EU directive that was meant to come in force in May has not come in force yet afaik - so you may not even get the fine.

testicles · 30-07-2017 10:11AM

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Cucullan · 30-07-2017 10:25AM

CeilingFly wrote: »

No - assuming the change in ownership is a day after the speeding event.

Even if they did get your details, just the fine applies not the points. The EU directive that was meant to come in force in May has not come in force yet

So worst case only a fine, I bought the car late Thursday evening and was driving on Saturday morning so change of ownership was dated on the Thursday so looks like a fine or two, what happens if I don't pay them? Also any idea if I need to pay the m50 toll I passed through that on the way home, I'm only curious not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro.

Marcusm · 30-07-2017 11:15AM

Cucullan wrote: »

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

How much over? 30 mph in excess leads to an automatic 3 month ban in the UK (if they get your details) which would be effective here also.

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 11:58AM

100% pay the toll. The toll operators go after all cars and add fees continuously and will go to court and will go as far as impounding the car.

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 12:41PM

testicles wrote: »

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http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

Victor · 30-07-2017 12:43PM

If you bought the vehicle from a dealer in the UK, surely the vehicle is registered with your details already?

If you've collected a bunch of fines, be wary when entering the UK again.

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 12:50PM

Victor wrote: »

If you've collected a bunch of fines, be wary when entering the UK again.

Never heard of anyone being stopped at entry point for a speeding fine. Can't see how it would be possible.

degsie · 30-07-2017 12:53PM

Quick Q, how do you 'seed' a car?

my3cents · 30-07-2017 01:00PM

A lot of info on the system in the UK the OP is on about here .

Del2005 · 30-07-2017 01:11PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Never heard of anyone being stopped at entry point for a speeding fine. Can't see how it would be possible.

They don't check on entry, yet, but if you come to the attention of the Police for any reason you could be arrested and brought to court

hognef · 30-07-2017 02:56PM

Cucullan wrote: »

So worst case only a fine, I bought the car late Thursday evening and was driving on Saturday morning so change of ownership was dated on the Thursday so looks like a fine or two, what happens if I don't pay them? Also any idea if I need to pay the m50 toll I passed through that on the way home, I'm only curious not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro.

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 03:05PM

Del2005 wrote: »

They don't check on entry, yet, but if you come to the attention of the Police for any reason you could be arrested and brought to court

Prior to that you would have to have been properly served with court documents to your registered address, a case would have to have been held, a conviction handed down and you not paying whatever fine that conviction provided for.

I've yet to have heard of that happening to someone outside the UK

Isambard · 30-07-2017 06:50PM

pay the fines and the toll.

I doubt anyone on here will give you the advice you want, ie don't pay the fines and the toll.....

exaisle · 30-07-2017 06:53PM

Cucullan wrote: »

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

Are we talking A55? If so, relax. It's not the most highly patrolled stretch of road in the UK and you're not the first one to exceed the speed limit on the way to the ferry...just don't make a habit of it!

Del2005 · 30-07-2017 07:00PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Prior to that you would have to have been properly served with court documents to your registered address, a case would have to have been held, a conviction handed down and you not paying whatever fine that conviction provided for.

I've yet to have heard of that happening to someone outside the UK

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

Isambard · 30-07-2017 07:22PM

Del2005 wrote: »

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

potentially....i bet it almost never happens

CeilingFly · 30-07-2017 07:44PM

Del2005 wrote: »

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

Can you give me a link for that?

I doubt it.

So stop the scaremongering bull.

Cucullan · 30-07-2017 11:06PM

hognef wrote: »

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

SCOOP 64 · 30-07-2017 11:09PM

Cucullan wrote: »

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

But they cant put points on a irish licence.

Del2005 · 30-07-2017 11:39PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Can you give me a link for that?

I doubt it.

So stop the scaremongering bull.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/#summonsed

CeilingFly · 31-07-2017 08:17AM

Del2005 wrote: »

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/#summonsed

So that confirms that what you said was scaremongering BS.

Del2005 · 31-07-2017 02:10PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

So that confirms that what you said was scaremongering BS.

Yes BS:rolleyes:

Officers may prefer the alternative of arresting the offender under section 25 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.

GM228 · 31-07-2017 02:40PM

Del2005 wrote: »

Yes BS:rolleyes:

Section 25 had limited use, now it has no use whatsoever as it was repealed 11 years ago.

The CPS website is in need of an update!

hognef · 31-07-2017 06:48PM

Cucullan wrote: »

hognef wrote: »

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

No worries so - however:

Your initial question, "can I be done on my Irish license [...]?", doesn't distinguish between penalty points and fines.
The question that I responded to, "what happens if I don't pay [the fines]?" suggests you were indeed considering not paying.
Your statement, "not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro [for the M50 toll]", suggests that the fines might be large enough to not pay.

So you can probably imagine why I got the impression that you were considering not paying the fines.

For the record: No, I would of course not ring anybody and offer to pay, and nor did I suggest you should. Hence my statement starting with "Assuming you actually receive the fines...".

CGI_3 · 08-08-2017 09:52PM

Ok, so today I was forwarded a notice of intention to prosecute from the car hire co from a few weeks ago. 65 in a 50 motorway.

Should I wait for the police to write to me directly, or follow the link from the notice, enter the PIN and just pay the fine?

Are we confirming no Irish points on licence...?

degsie · 08-08-2017 09:58PM

CGI_3 wrote: »

Ok, so today I was forwarded a notice of intention to prosecute from the car hire co from a few weeks ago. 65 in a 50 motorway.

Should I wait for the police to write to me directly, or follow the link from the notice, enter the PIN and just pay the fine?

Are we confirming no Irish points on licence...?

Just pay the fine. How much as a point of interest?

CGI_3 · 08-08-2017 10:03PM

I don't know what the fine is because I haven't logged on to the website on the notice. If I do, its an acknowledgement that I've received the notice.

I'm thinking I have the right to wait to have the notice sent directly from the authorities.

Half hoping it might not show up, but I'm sure it will...

mikeecho · 08-08-2017 10:36PM

I drove about 1000miles in the UK earlier in the UK this year.
I knowingly sped thru some average speed camera zones, and I'm pretty sure that I must have driven past Gatos mounted in the overhead gantries on the motorway.

I haven't heard a anything.

I had the cruise control set to 85mph.

I'm not boasting, I'm not condoning my actions, I'm just highlighting that I drove above the speed limit, for sustained periods, for a considerable period, for a considerable distance, and I received no corrispondance what so ever, two months later.

degsie · 08-08-2017 10:58PM

mikeecho wrote: »

I drove about 1000miles in the UK earlier in the UK this year.
I knowingly sped thru some average speed camera zones, and I'm pretty sure that I must have driven past Gatos mounted in the overhead gantries on the motorway.

I haven't heard a anything.

I had the cruise control set to 85mph.

I'm not boasting, I'm not condoning my actions, I'm just highlighting that I drove above the speed limit, for sustained periods, for a considerable period, for a considerable distance, and I received no corrispondance what so ever, two months later.

That is a pity.

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