UK reg car speeding question

Cucullan

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

CeilingFly

No - assuming the change in ownership is a day after the speeding event.

Even if they did get your details, just the fine applies not the points. The EU directive that was meant to come in force in May has not come in force yet afaik - so you may not even get the fine.

testicles

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Cucullan

CeilingFly wrote: »

No - assuming the change in ownership is a day after the speeding event.

Even if they did get your details, just the fine applies not the points. The EU directive that was meant to come in force in May has not come in force yet

So worst case only a fine, I bought the car late Thursday evening and was driving on Saturday morning so change of ownership was dated on the Thursday so looks like a fine or two, what happens if I don't pay them? Also any idea if I need to pay the m50 toll I passed through that on the way home, I'm only curious not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro.

Marcusm

Cucullan wrote: »

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

How much over? 30 mph in excess leads to an automatic 3 month ban in the UK (if they get your details) which would be effective here also.

CeilingFly

100% pay the toll. The toll operators go after all cars and add fees continuously and will go to court and will go as far as impounding the car.

CeilingFly

testicles wrote: »

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http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/

Victor

If you bought the vehicle from a dealer in the UK, surely the vehicle is registered with your details already?

If you've collected a bunch of fines, be wary when entering the UK again.

CeilingFly

Victor wrote: »

If you've collected a bunch of fines, be wary when entering the UK again.

Never heard of anyone being stopped at entry point for a speeding fine. Can't see how it would be possible.

degsie

Quick Q, how do you 'seed' a car?

my3cents

A lot of info on the system in the UK the OP is on about here .

Del2005

CeilingFly wrote: »

Never heard of anyone being stopped at entry point for a speeding fine. Can't see how it would be possible.

They don't check on entry, yet, but if you come to the attention of the Police for any reason you could be arrested and brought to court

hognef

Cucullan wrote: »

So worst case only a fine, I bought the car late Thursday evening and was driving on Saturday morning so change of ownership was dated on the Thursday so looks like a fine or two, what happens if I don't pay them? Also any idea if I need to pay the m50 toll I passed through that on the way home, I'm only curious not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro.

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

CeilingFly

Del2005 wrote: »

They don't check on entry, yet, but if you come to the attention of the Police for any reason you could be arrested and brought to court

Prior to that you would have to have been properly served with court documents to your registered address, a case would have to have been held, a conviction handed down and you not paying whatever fine that conviction provided for.

I've yet to have heard of that happening to someone outside the UK

Isambard

pay the fines and the toll.

I doubt anyone on here will give you the advice you want, ie don't pay the fines and the toll.....

exaisle

Cucullan wrote: »

I bought a car in the UK and was a bit late for the ferry so was driving over the limit, I wasn't caught on any cameras or roadside speed checks but I know I went though some of the timed distance speed checks so can I be done on my Irish license when I change the car over into my name here?

Are we talking A55? If so, relax. It's not the most highly patrolled stretch of road in the UK and you're not the first one to exceed the speed limit on the way to the ferry...just don't make a habit of it!

Del2005

CeilingFly wrote: »

Prior to that you would have to have been properly served with court documents to your registered address, a case would have to have been held, a conviction handed down and you not paying whatever fine that conviction provided for.

I've yet to have heard of that happening to someone outside the UK

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

Isambard

Del2005 wrote: »

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

potentially....i bet it almost never happens

CeilingFly

Del2005 wrote: »

If someone who doesn't have a UK address is caught for a motoring offence they are taken straight to court, if the offence happens when there's no access to court they are kept in a cell till they can go to court.

Can you give me a link for that?

I doubt it.

So stop the scaremongering bull.

Cucullan

hognef wrote: »

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

SCOOP 64

Cucullan wrote: »

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

But they cant put points on a irish licence.

Del2005

CeilingFly wrote: »

Can you give me a link for that?

I doubt it.

So stop the scaremongering bull.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/#summonsed

CeilingFly

Del2005 wrote: »

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/#summonsed

So that confirms that what you said was scaremongering BS.

Del2005

CeilingFly wrote: »

So that confirms that what you said was scaremongering BS.

Yes BS:rolleyes:

Officers may prefer the alternative of arresting the offender under section 25 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.

GM228

Del2005 wrote: »

Yes BS:rolleyes:

Section 25 had limited use, now it has no use whatsoever as it was repealed 11 years ago.

The CPS website is in need of an update!

hognef

Cucullan wrote: »

hognef wrote: »

Assuming you actually receive the fines, just pay them. You're aware that you were speeding, so legally and morally you've no reason not to. Your question just confirms the strange mentality in this country - why won't people just do what's right?

Same again for the m50, though I imagine your chances of getting away with that one are fairly slim anyway.

I will pay the fines should I receive them at no stage did I say I wouldn't, I was just wondering if I would get points also, I wasn't driving like a maniac over there I was doing a constant 85mph on a 3 lane motorway between the hours of 4am and 7am which very very quite at the time as I got delayed leaving London and had to drive to Holyhead, no one's fault only my own and I'll pay whatever is due but I'm not going to ring them and offer them the money because it's legally or morally right would you?

No worries so - however:

• Your initial question, "can I be done on my Irish license [...]?", doesn't distinguish between penalty points and fines.
• The question that I responded to, "what happens if I don't pay [the fines]?" suggests you were indeed considering not paying.
• Your statement, "not going to risk a fine for the sake of a couple of euro [for the M50 toll]", suggests that the fines might be large enough to not pay.

So you can probably imagine why I got the impression that you were considering not paying the fines.

For the record: No, I would of course not ring anybody and offer to pay, and nor did I suggest you should. Hence my statement starting with "Assuming you actually receive the fines...".

CGI_3

Ok, so today I was forwarded a notice of intention to prosecute from the car hire co from a few weeks ago. 65 in a 50 motorway.

Should I wait for the police to write to me directly, or follow the link from the notice, enter the PIN and just pay the fine?

Are we confirming no Irish points on licence...?

degsie

CGI_3 wrote: »

Ok, so today I was forwarded a notice of intention to prosecute from the car hire co from a few weeks ago. 65 in a 50 motorway.

Should I wait for the police to write to me directly, or follow the link from the notice, enter the PIN and just pay the fine?

Are we confirming no Irish points on licence...?

Just pay the fine. How much as a point of interest?

CGI_3

I don't know what the fine is because I haven't logged on to the website on the notice. If I do, its an acknowledgement that I've received the notice.

I'm thinking I have the right to wait to have the notice sent directly from the authorities.

Half hoping it might not show up, but I'm sure it will...

mikeecho

I drove about 1000miles in the UK earlier in the UK this year.
I knowingly sped thru some average speed camera zones, and I'm pretty sure that I must have driven past Gatos mounted in the overhead gantries on the motorway.

I haven't heard a anything.

I had the cruise control set to 85mph.

I'm not boasting, I'm not condoning my actions, I'm just highlighting that I drove above the speed limit, for sustained periods, for a considerable period, for a considerable distance, and I received no corrispondance what so ever, two months later.

degsie

mikeecho wrote: »

I drove about 1000miles in the UK earlier in the UK this year.
I knowingly sped thru some average speed camera zones, and I'm pretty sure that I must have driven past Gatos mounted in the overhead gantries on the motorway.

I haven't heard a anything.

I had the cruise control set to 85mph.

I'm not boasting, I'm not condoning my actions, I'm just highlighting that I drove above the speed limit, for sustained periods, for a considerable period, for a considerable distance, and I received no corrispondance what so ever, two months later.

That is a pity.

Isambard

when I delivered my 3 litre Cortina to the UK I enjoyed my last blast up the M4 to Berkshire and only after did i think how easy the control room could spot a bright green Cortina passing out most of the rest of the traffic. The camera system isn't all it's cracked up to be I think

mikeecho

Originally Posted by mikeecho
I drove about 1000miles in the UK earlier in the UK this year.
I knowingly sped thru some average speed camera zones, and I'm pretty sure that I must have driven past Gatos mounted in the overhead gantries on the motorway.

I haven't heard a anything.

I had the cruise control set to 85mph.

I'm not boasting, I'm not condoning my actions, I'm just highlighting that I drove above the speed limit, for sustained periods, for a considerable period, for a considerable distance, and I received no corrispondance what so ever, two months later.

degsie wrote: »

That is a pity.

You're right , i should have kept the cruise control at 90mph, ah well. theres always next time

Means Of Escape

Marcusm wrote: »

How much over? 30 mph in excess leads to an automatic 3 month ban in the UK (if they get your details) which would be effective here also.

The fines will go to the original registered owner of the car who obviously will not take the blame for your speeding.
The police can chase you down through the details from the v5 slip that the previous owner took from the V5 after a sale
If you had no tax on it it would have been impounded
There are lot of speed cameras in the Uk and it's not beyond the possibility that the courts in UK will send you a summons depending on how many times you broke the limit and by how much

NLC1072

Means Of Escape wrote: »

The fines will go to the original registered owner of the car who obviously will not take the blame for your speeding.
The police can chase you down through the details from the v5 slip that the previous owner took from the V5 after a sale
If you had no tax on it it would have been impounded
There are lot of speed cameras in the Uk and it's not beyond the possibility that the courts in UK will send you a summons depending on how many times you broke the limit and by how much

The car does not need tax if you can prove you are exporting the vehicle on UK roads

exaisle

exaisle wrote: »

Are we talking A55? If so, relax. It's not the most highly patrolled stretch of road in the UK and you're not the first one to exceed the speed limit on the way to the ferry...just don't make a habit of it!

+1

CGI_3

Well for what its worth,

I've heard nothing from the UK since the photocopy of the 'intention to prosecute' notice from the rental car company. (this was 8th August).

I didn't follow any of the instructions on the form, as technically, I felt it wasn't directly addressed to me. I was waiting for the official one with my name on it. Never came.

Will be interesting to see what happens next time I try to rent a car over there...

Car99

There wil probably be a bench warrant issued against you, if police run a check on you for any reason in the future even if for instance you are the innocent party in a small traffic collidion you will be arrested. Better pay the fine in my opinion.

CGI_3

I'll pay the fine if they issue it to me. Far as I'm concerned, the fine has only been sent to the rental car co, and they've done their bit by forwarding on my details. If the police haven't issued me the fine directly, then that's where it stays, far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, it's an 'intention to prosecute'

They intended, then perhaps decided not to...

colm_mcm

NLC1072 wrote: »

The car does not need tax if you can prove you are exporting the vehicle on UK roads

Source?

Leonard Hofstadter

exaisle wrote: »

Are we talking A55? If so, relax. It's not the most highly patrolled stretch of road in the UK and you're not the first one to exceed the speed limit on the way to the ferry...just don't make a habit of it!

Most of it isn't but the 50 mph stretches most definitely are enforced (as they are right around the UK) and the chances of being caught speeding on these parts are quite high.

On the 70 mph stretches you'd be fine doing 80 mph, the guidelines used by the vast majority of police forces in England and Wales are 10% + 2 mph before you will be caught for speeding... so you won't get a ticket unless you exceed 79 mph if the limit's 70 mph on a dual carriageway or motorway.

GM228

Car99 wrote: »

There wil probably be a bench warrant issued against you

That can't happen.

Car99

GM228 wrote: »

That can't happen.

Happened to me.

GM228

Car99 wrote: »

Happened to me.

A bench warrant can't be issued against a foreign address for such issues, it is specifically forbidden under the very international law which allows for these issues to be brought to court in a foreign jurisdiction in the first place since 1959 and is also specifically written into the current appropriate UK law since 2003.

Car99

GM228 wrote: »

A bench warrant can't be issued against a foreign address for such issues, it is specifically forbidden under the very international law which allows for these issues to be brought to court in a foreign jurisdiction in the first place since 1959 and is also specifically written into the current appropriate UK law since since 2003.

I stand corrected then , i can confirm pre 2003 it was different.

GM228

Car99 wrote: »

I stand corrected then , i can confirm pre 2003 it was different.

So when did you get it?

I said it is specifically written into the "current appropriate UK law since 2003", it was also specifically written into the 1990 UK legislation which the 2003 legislation replaced, as I said it is covered under international law since 1959. These matters are covered under very specific rules and no court would or even could issue such a warrant.

Car99

2002 roughly , stopped for speeding in wales just coming into Fishguard at 2am ish for the night sailing. Gave irish details. Gardai arrived some weeks later with summons for uk court. I didnt go.
Next time through customs in Fishguard, months later, they ran my passport details through their computer and informed me their was a bench warrant for me.
Luckily and im not joking the guy pulled in after me had a lot more interesting stuff going on that required all their attention. He told me you can go , sort out the warrant. He rushed off.
I had to get my solicitor to write to the clerk of the court in question and sort it out £100 fine in the end.

GM228

Car99 wrote: »

2002 roughly , stopped for speeding in wales just coming into Fishguard at 2am ish for the night sailing. Gave irish details. Gardai arrived some weeks later with summons for uk court. I didnt go.
Next time through customs in Fishguard, months later, they ran my passport details through their computer and informed me their was a bench warrant for me.
Luckily and im not joking the guy pulled in after me had a lot more interesting stuff going on that required all their attention. He told me you can go , sort out the warrant. He rushed off.
I had to get my solicitor to write to the clerk of the court in question and sort it out £100 fine in the end.

None of that adds up for several reasons.

rugbyman

gm228 \I would be interested the hear why it does not add up, other than the reference to customs and passports

GM228

rugbyman wrote: »

gm228 \I would be interested the hear why it does not add up, other than the reference to customs and passports

Because a court does not have jurisdiction to issue such a warrant, also Gardaí do not have jurisdiction to serve such a warrant. It is strictly forbidden in these matters under International, EU and national laws.

There are very limited exceptions (but they don't apply to motoring offences) when foreign foreign warrants may be issued and served (for other matters such as where allowed under the Hague Convention, the Brussels Convention or the Lugano Conventio for example), but special High Court orders are required here to authorise such, and it is not a straight forward matter.

joeysoap

Interesting thread.

You can’t get penalty points on an Irish license (and vice versa) in Northern Ireland, but Dundalk courts regularly fine northern Irish motorists for speeding/ driving offenses. ( I know, it’s different, most will be driving in the south on a regular basis)

On the car hire; did they hire company keep the credit card slip? If so they might well take the fine / court case fine out of the card. I know they can abroad.

Do some of the posts refer to speeding in Irish reg cars, and if so can UK speeds cameras read Irish plates? And would anybody bother to follow it up in the UK even if they could?

if you buy a car in NI the car tax is automatically cancelled when you buy it (unlike here where you sometimes see 2nd hand cars advertised as taxed.) I think new owners in NI can just go to the post office and tax the car and hand in the transfer ownership for forwarding (by the po) to Swansea.