Off Topic Thread 3.0

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Night sorted

Erik Shin wrote:

I see that Jon Jones won the light heavyweight UFC title last night....how is he still allowed fight? Multiple drug violations, performance enhancing drugs and a hit and run on a woman who was 7 months pregnant are just some of this guys deeds...never mind the crap he pulls in the ring.. think Mr White needs to call a halt to this guys gallop

You seem to be confusing UFC with a sport/institution which possesses any semblance of conscience.

Jones makes money. He'll never get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

Buer wrote: »

You seem to be confusing UFC with a sport/institution which possesses any semblance of conscience.

Jones makes money. He'll never get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

He's only fought twice since January 2015 because of consecutive suspensions so its a lot more than a slap on the wrist. Lets be clear and say that rugby does not have a good record with testing and banning for drug usage, particularly recreational drugs. Jon Jones was stripped and banned for his driving offense, Dan Carter's was swept under the rug etc.

I would be absolutely delighted if rugby's drug-testing process was remotely as transparent as stringent as the UFC since they handed over control of the process to USADA. You can verify online which fighters are being tested and exactly how many times. Whereas not every rugby player in Ireland even gets tested and we don't know who isnt being tested or why.

Also supposedly the drug he was banned for using was a performance enhancing drug of a different kind. Contaminated viagra! Which is fairly hilarious but also extremely suspicious.

I very much dislike the guy on a personal level though. And I think they're fairly fed up with him as well given he's just as likely to get banned for some other stupid illegal act as he is to fight again, a huge liability to the new owners of the company. He's incredibly talented though, so I hope he sorts it out.

Following Mayo is asking for heart failure.

awec wrote: »

Wee buns mate, Armagh for Sam.











That's what you say, right? :pac:

Armagh for apples....tyrone for sam!!

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He's only fought twice since January 2015 because of consecutive suspensions so its a lot more than a slap on the wrist. Lets be clear and say that rugby does not have a good record with testing and banning for drug usage, particularly recreational drugs. Jon Jones was stripped and banned for his driving offense, Dan Carter's was swept under the rug etc.

For consecutive suspensions relating to banned substances, he should be looking at a life time ban in my mind and the suspensions given were lenient enough. But I realise that UFC/MMA are hardly far more lenient than other sports including rugby which I suspect has a dirty sub-culture that is completely under the radar.

An interesting article this morning regarding doping in GAA. On two separate occasions, samples that were en route to testing labs with couriers were lost.

Perhaps more damning is the fact that intercounty players from multiple counties were unavailable for testing in the past year despite testing schedules being agreed months in advance.

Buer wrote: »

For consecutive suspensions relating to banned substances, he should be looking at a life time ban in my mind and the suspensions given were lenient enough. But I realise that UFC/MMA are hardly far more lenient than other sports including rugby which I suspect has a dirty sub-culture that is completely under the radar.

An interesting article this morning regarding doping in GAA. On two separate occasions, samples that were en route to testing labs with couriers were lost.

Perhaps more damning is the fact that intercounty players from multiple counties were unavailable for testing in the past year despite testing schedules being agreed months in advance.

So there's a few things here. Most importantly, there was no consecutive suspensions for banned substances.

Even if there was, suspensions for banned substances are generally nothing to do with the lenience of the UFC/MMA. The sport of MMA doesn't have any body to ban people and the UFC use external groups to handle the process. Although they do suspend people for behavioural stuff and it was them who stripped Jones and suspended him the first time, which was for a hit and run incident.

Bans are decided by two groups. USADA and the (as in boxing) local commissions. So as an example, quite often it'd be the Nevada State Athletic Commission (as so many events are in Vegas). So for example Nick Diaz was banned for 5 years for having marijuana in his system during/after a fight. That was decided by the NSAC. That same ban would have applied to any attempts to get a boxing license as well and also precluded him from being present at events, for example his brother's fight with McGregor. Diaz himself is a special case but it's just an example of how the system works for doping, the decisions are made by people with no direct involvement in the UFC or the sport. Jones was simultaneously banned by both USADA and the NSAC for the same offense, but it was just one doping offense.

I don't trust the fighters over there, but I do trust the process. The sport is often split into two eras, pre- and post-USADA. Some fighters magically got a lot worse when the testing regime and disciplinary process became more stringent. I think it should be used as an example in rugby (or the GAA, but there are costs involved in testing so much, especially testing amateur athletes).