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FTP and cycle racing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Derrydingle


    . Took the voluntary upgrade from A4 to A3 a few years, never got on the board in A4 either.


    Can you still do that if your over 50 I emailed CI about it a few weeks ago but never got a reply


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭harringtonp


    Can you still do that if your over 50 I emailed CI about it a few weeks ago but never got a reply

    I don't think so. As an over 50 what you can do is opt to stay in A3 even if you have enough points to take you to A2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭jinkypolly


    Can you still do that if your over 50 I emailed CI about it a few weeks ago but never got a reply

    Yes.
    From the 2017 Technical Rules;
    (c) Masters riders in their 50th or greater year and irrespective of their category may apply, on their
    first licence application for the relevant licence year, for an A2 or A3 licence with zero points
    brought forward. Such riders are exempt from automatic upgrades during the licence year unless
    requested by the rider on reaching the relevant points threshold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Derrydingle


    jinkypolly wrote:
    Yes. From the 2017 Technical Rules;


    But is that first licence only or would you be still able to self upgrade if you being on a A4 licence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭jinkypolly


    But is that first licence only or would you be still able to self upgrade if you being on a A4 licence

    Your first licence of the year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭StevieGriff


    What's the norm for most people here, self-coached or have a paid coach?
    It almost seems now that everyone and their grandmother is paying a coach. Been considering trying a coach lately, beginning to feel I've plateaued in what I can achieve with my own limited knowledge/power of google.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Figures go from €70pm to €150 from what I have been told by lads using coaches.
    Ciagala, A1 and a local lad used a couple of clubs.
    €150 seems alot but it depends on the person really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭harringtonp


    As the thread is called "FTP and cycle racing" it may be worth illustrating how you can occasionally make a very modest FTP work for you, my FTP has been around 280W-290W with a weight of 76-78kg the last few years. The two attachments compare the average power output floating around in the bunch for the best part of two laps and the output from the time I started looking to get off the front to the point where the 2 of us were caught by the 2 juniors at the top of the little hill. A few factors came together to make this work out:

    - The bunch had slowed a little come the 3rd lap, the average speed shown for the 2 of us is 39.4 but we were travelling on average at 40km/hr to the bottom of the pull (and back up to it once down the other side)

    - I hid for the first 2 laps and there was no real stress so was comparatively fresh (and I suspect most others were too)

    - Was lucky in that the guy I was with was quite a bit stronger, two of me would not have stayed away. He reckon I wasn't riding fast enough when at the front so suggested doing a shorter turn than him but trying to ride at a higher intensity. The work split may have been something like 70/30 but it seemed to work quite well.

    - The average power for me for the 36 mins was 276W (golden cheethah shows normalised power of 289W for 41 minutes), however when I was on the front would have went into a low tuck forearms on bar position. I lose 20+ watts like this on what I can put out on the drops but it is still faster. Shaved legs/arms and a kask infinity helmet with the shield down probably helped a little too (though shallow wheels would have been a let down here)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Anyone have any figures for two and three hour and FTP? I have a few big days on holidays in the mountains coming up and I got a bit caught out going on heart rate last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Anyone have any figures for two and three hour and FTP? I have a few big days on holidays in the mountains coming up and I got a bit caught out going on heart rate last year.
    Haven't used it (no power meter on bike), but isn't this the type of thing best bike split does?


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Anyone have any figures for two and three hour and FTP? I have a few big days on holidays in the mountains coming up and I got a bit caught out going on heart rate last year.

    I did a 50 mile TT last year for the first time, so working out beforehand what kind of power I should be doing for a two hour effort was a bit of a shot in the dark. At the time my FTP was 370w and the power curve on Golden Cheetah suggested that 90% FTP may be possible. So I went out aiming to hold 330w. That was grand for the first three quarters but I was swinging in the final quarter and ended up doing 320w. So, for me at least, 85% for two hours and probably a bit less for three.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I did a 50 mile TT last year ...At the time my FTP was 370w
    I feel a bit better about your Cruagh Road PB now. :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    I did a 50 mile TT last year for the first time, so working out beforehand what kind of power I should be doing for a two hour effort was a bit of a shot in the dark. At the time my FTP was 370w and the power curve on Golden Cheetah suggested that 90% FTP may be possible. So I went out aiming to hold 330w. That was grand for the first three quarters but I was swinging in the final quarter and ended up doing 320w. So, for me at least, 85% for two hours and probably a bit less for three.

    what time did you do?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Lumen wrote: »
    I feel a bit better about your Cruagh Road PB now. :)

    You'd be faster than me now though
    RobFowl wrote: »
    what time did you do?

    1:57


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭buffalo


    1:57

    That's a long time to be climbing Cruagh... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    One for the Lenister lads here, any races for A4 till season end that aren't regarded as crash fests?
    Looking to sneak 2pts by season end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Miklos


    dahat wrote: »
    One for the Lenister lads here, any races for A4 till season end that aren't regarded as crash fests?
    Looking to sneak 2pts by season end.

    Laragh Classic on Saturday the 2nd Sept is a tough circuit, that'd be a good one to aim for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Miklos wrote: »
    Laragh Classic on Saturday the 2nd Sept is a tough circuit, that'd be a good one to aim for.

    That looks testing alright and one the same weekend as Charleville so that may take a few good A4's away.It doesn't look exactly ideal for me but at season end i can't be choosy.

    Any knowledge of the Dundalk Cycle Traders Cup?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭LCD


    Traders Cup in September. Before was an out & back course, this year I think it will be laps, though not 100%. Finish is on a wide road


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭timbel


    dahat wrote: »
    That looks testing alright and one the same weekend as Charleville so that may take a few good A4's away.It doesn't look exactly ideal for me but at season end i can't be choosy.

    Any knowledge of the Dundalk Cycle Traders Cup?

    Traders Cup is generally fast and flat - you can draw your own conclusions from that.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,010 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Miklos wrote: »
    Laragh Classic on Saturday the 2nd Sept is a tough circuit, that'd be a good one to aim for.

    No A4 in the Laragh Classic this year AFAIK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭calistro


    Oldcastle GP - Sunday of August Bank Holiday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭crazy_kenny


    calistro wrote: »
    Oldcastle GP - Sunday of August Bank Holiday

    Even the ladies doing longer distance than the A4's, some joke!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭sullzz


    Even the ladies doing longer distance than the A4's, some joke!

    Youre not sexist at all no ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Even the ladies doing longer distance than the A4's, some joke!

    Cos wimmins aren't capable of doing that !

    Bring back downtube shifters, hairnet helmets and woolly jerseys..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Derrydingle


    Even the ladies doing longer distance than the A4's, some joke!


    Just goes to show you what clubs think of A4 racing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Derrydingle


    CramCycle wrote:
    No A4 in the Laragh Classic this year AFAIK


    Are you sure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,087 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Just goes to show you what clubs think of A4 racing

    No problem taking our cash though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭crazy_kenny


    sullzz wrote: »
    Youre not sexist at all no ?

    No not at all, just a bit put out at a4 race not being the same length as the other races. People will be whinging then if there is a crash in the a4 final blocking the road for the other races coming through. Whereas if the a4 finished last the road would be clear for the carnage.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Aside from the casual sexism :rolleyes: I don't think there's a separate women's race in Oldcastle from my reading? We're mixed in with A3's and Juniors from my reading.

    Anyone doing Omagh tomorrow?


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