Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

walshb · 27-07-2017 01:02PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

everlast75 wrote: »

Between two MMA fighters (which would be more than what we have here) I can think of McGregor doing exactly that. Anyway- did you not read my post? I said it wouldn't be via boxing - he would take FM down immediately and I doubt out FM's ground game is up to it

Great, if Conor can do as you seem to be so certain he can...

Floyd just needs to cooperate and it's a done deal....all in 20 seconds...

everlast75 · 27-07-2017 01:02PM

Floyd via DQ

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

So you agree McGregor is not anywhere near Floyd's equal and this really wont be a sporting contest. Your giving him a 1% chance.

And yet you have contemporaries who are trying to say that McGregor 100% believes he will win. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt for the money. Floyd gets to 50-0 and he'll congratulate Conor on being a warrior and getting in the ring.

Agree with It? I said it!

You said first that Conor fans said he would win - and when I challenged you on that you changes it to them believing Conor believes he could win? Different things

kippy · 27-07-2017 01:02PM

walshb wrote: »

You don't learn boxing, at least not completely. It's probably the most unique sport on earth in terms of variables and permutations and unknowns...You are a boxer, and you develop and hone your skills as best you can, always knowing that no matter how much you train and practice it can all end in a split second.

I am talking about the best boxers here....

Conor only has the split second hope because of the very reason that he is NOT a boxer, and 10-12 weeks "learning" won't change that at all, just like 10-12 years may not have changed it.

I ain't pro either sport or fighter. But let's not try make something out to be more complex or unique than it actually is.

everlast75 · 27-07-2017 01:03PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

BTW, this 20 seconds lark in the Octagon?

Anyone want to describe it? Assuming Floyd is at least allowed some prep and training for an MMA contest, how is it that Conor ends this in 20 seconds?

Floyd does have feet and can actually move a bit.......That's one thing to consider.

Already described 2 ways..

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 27-07-2017 01:06PM

Floyd via DQ

everlast75 wrote: »

Agree with It? I said it!

You said first that Conor fans said he would win - and when I challenged you on that you changes it to them believing Conor believes he could win? Different things

where did I say that?

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 01:09PM

Conor on points

everlast75 wrote: »

Jesus - this place is quite the echo chamber!

I can't recall any MMS fan on here (and if there was anyone they were most certainly in the minority) who says that McGregor has anything more than a 1% chance. I said even less.

Ffs you said 5% which is higher than me!

For the record - McGregor has about a 1% chance in a boxing ring. It may go 3 rounds, 4 tops in my view.

Also for the record, McGregor has 100% in the octagon - over in 20 seconds.

I think the above are completely rational views.

And btw I don't think MMA is "better" than boxing. I enjoy a good match regardless of the sport - so I've no axe to grind.

Even if in a certain area of MMA he would be the best fighter in that area thats ever stepped in an Octagon . With 4oz gloves on . There isnt even a 0% chance he could connect with Conors chin ??

Surely there is a hail mary chance ?

Would you even give him a 0.01% chance

GerryDerpy · 27-07-2017 01:09PM

Conor via DQ

walshb wrote: »

BTW, this 20 seconds lark in the Octagon?

Anyone want to describe it? Assuming Floyd is at least allowed some prep and training for an MMA contest, how is it that Conor ends this in 20 seconds?

Floyd does have feet and can actually move a bit.......That's one thing to consider.

Literally run at him from the bell and go for double leg. Floyd ain't sprawling away from 170lbs. Then jiu jitsu a choke. 20 secs easy.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 27-07-2017 01:11PM

Floyd via DQ

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Literally run at him from the bell and go for double leg. Floyd ain't sprawling away from 170lbs. Then jiu jitsu a choke. 20 secs easy.

McGregor runs at him, Mayweather smashes him with a right.

McGregor out cold. Over in 20 seconds.

walshb · 27-07-2017 01:13PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Literally run at him from the bell and go for double leg. Floyd ain't sprawling away from 170lbs. Then jiu jitsu a choke. 20 secs easy.

Could be a very silly thing to do...

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 01:14PM

Conor on points

This isnt going to go down well with certain folk . A pro boxer has a better chance in a MMA fight than vice versa.

Once they connect the fight is over.

A MMA fighter loses a thousand out of a thousand in a boxing ring.

In a thousand MMA fights a boxer would land flush and end the fight a few times

mfceiling · 27-07-2017 01:15PM

kippy wrote: »

I ain't pro either sport or fighter. But let's not try make something out to be more complex or unique than it actually is.

OK...you start boxing training today. How long before you are a world champion? Shouldn't be too long considering its not that complex. Right?

walshb · 27-07-2017 01:15PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

kippy wrote: »

I ain't pro either sport or fighter. But let's not try make something out to be more complex or unique than it actually is.

No, let's make it out to be complex. It is....

Not making it out more complex. Just complex.

bunderoon · 27-07-2017 01:17PM

You'd wonder.

This circus has been played out now in many countries. The 'fight' is fixed as both are big winners. I'd wonder though if it's worth Mayweather letting Conor win as they both can make another fortune betting against Mayweather himself.

But it's hard to see Mayweather's ego letting himself loose. The flipside is a rematch which would probably double the earnings they are on now. And as most in boxing know that this isnt a real fight, then maybe he'll let Conor beat him and after the rematch, just call it 50-1.

Dana has worked hard in making sure that Conor gets to the top as he is the perfect tool to take UFC mainstream and make billions. So it's hard to see him letting his cashcow go this easily. I dont see any other cashcow on the up that can take over just yet.

If Dana can force Aldo to lead with a fake punch to force a knock out, then anything is possible.
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kippy · 27-07-2017 01:21PM

mfceiling wrote: »

OK...you start boxing training today. How long before you are a world champion? Shouldn't be too long considering its not that complex. Right?

This is the thing. I would never start boxing or MMA for that matter. Like billions of other people on the planet.

Gamebred · 27-07-2017 01:22PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

bunderoon wrote: »

If Dana can force Aldo to lead with a fake punch to force a knock out, then anything is possible.
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Congrats, the funniest comment ive ever read online pissing myself.

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 01:23PM

Conor on points

Gamebred wrote: »

Congrats, the funniest comment ive ever read online pissing myself.

Im sure its sarcasm man

normanoffside · 27-07-2017 01:28PM

Floyd via DQ

Lukker- wrote: »

Well Johnson was Manny's main sparring partner for the Floyd fight, he's an extremely experienced journey-man, and the perfect sparring partner.

A) it didn't work for him.

pacman has a little more boxing experience than Conor.

normanoffside · 27-07-2017 01:36PM

Floyd via DQ

everlast75 wrote: »

Yes you can!

Try blocking a spinning hook kick, or a takedown and tap. Sorry mate - you are absolutely wrong on this in my view. He won't do it with boxing

46 year old over the hill boxer Ray Mercer knocked out Tom Sylvia in the octagon in 10 seconds.
2 years previous Silvia was UFC HW champ.

Saying the boxer has 0% chance in MMA is wrong

ScumLord · 27-07-2017 01:44PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

This isnt going to go down well with certain folk . A pro boxer has a better chance in a MMA fight than vice versa.

Once they connect the fight is over.

A MMA fighter loses a thousand out of a thousand in a boxing ring.

In a thousand MMA fights a boxer would land flush and end the fight a few times

I wouldn't agree with that at all. We have a number of examples of boxers stepping into the octagon and they tend to go the same way, boxer throws a punch, gets taken down, then taps straight away as he knows he's screwed and doesn't want to have an arm bar slapped onto him.

Boxing is a discipline within MMA, it's a different type of boxing but throwing punches isn't an alien concept to them. Boxing is just boxing, boxing doesn't help you throw kicks, wrestle or do submissions. A boxer stands absolutely no chance in an MMA fight, they won't get to land a punch through kicks and won't be able to do dirty boxing when the MMA fighter has his arms around him trying to get him on the ground. It would be like putting a golfer with just a putter against a golfer with his full set of clubs.

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 01:47PM

Conor on points

ScumLord wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that at all. We have a number of examples of boxers stepping into the octagon and they tend to go the same way, boxer throws a punch, gets taken down, then taps straight away as he knows he's screwed and doesn't want to have an arm bar slapped onto him.

Boxing is a discipline within MMA, it's a different type of boxing but throwing punches isn't an alien concept to them. Boxing is just boxing, boxing doesn't help you throw kicks, wrestle or do submissions. A boxer stands absolutely no chance in an MMA fight, they won't get to land a punch through kicks and won't be able to do dirty boxing when the MMA fighter has his arms around him trying to get him on the ground. It would be like putting a golfer with just a putter against a golfer with his full set of clubs.

All he has to do is land and with those 4oz gloves the fights over . Surely a hail Mary chance no ?

stephenl15 · 27-07-2017 01:48PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

This isnt going to go down well with certain folk . A pro boxer has a better chance in a MMA fight than vice versa.

Once they connect the fight is over.

A MMA fighter loses a thousand out of a thousand in a boxing ring.

In a thousand MMA fights a boxer would land flush and end the fight a few times

Just no

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 01:49PM

Conor on points

stephenl15 wrote: »

Just no

I disagree strongly

ThinkProgress · 27-07-2017 01:55PM

Floyd via DQ

kippy wrote: »

I ain't pro either sport or fighter. But let's not try make something out to be more complex or unique than it actually is.

Boxing and MMA are very skillful sports... neither of them are easily mastered.

Tell you what though... if you took prime Mayweather (say 25 years old)... and let him train wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing for a year or two... with his level of boxing, he would have a very good chance in the UFC.

Prime Floyd was an amazing athlete. (he's still an amazing athlete at 40). I would give him a great chance in MMA with some intensive training, by top coaches!

But I'm not sure I could say the same for any MMA fighters becoming world class boxers. Many of the best MMA fighters are rejects that didn't make the cut in other sports... (Jon Jones is a good example)

And I say all of that as a fan of MMA. I'm no hater... the only reason I give Floyd a great chance in the MMA world, is because he was one of the greatest athletic talents in sports history!

MMA does not contain many world class athletic talents IMO!

walshb · 27-07-2017 01:59PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

That's just it. Floyd hopped in the Octagon right now he would have a very very slim chance to win. Just like Conor in boxing.

Give Floyd time and prep and definitely his chances rise. Same with Conor in boxing

But I really believe that Floyd'd chances rise more significantly in a Floyd vs Conor Octagon match than the other way around...

Boxing is that very specific and precise, and Floyd is a scientist. Conor is not the same scientist in MMA.

Floyd learns and adapts better to MMA training and techniques to allow him that better chance. Conor has no real hope no matter how much he trains in boxing

MMA is a jack of all trades. Boxing is pinpoint specific.

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 02:00PM

Conor on points

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Boxing and MMA are very skillful sports... neither of them are easily mastered.

Tell you what though... if you took prime Mayweather (say 25 years old)... and let him train wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing for a year or two... with his level of boxing, he would have a very good chance in the UFC.

Prime Floyd was an amazing athlete. (he's still an amazing athlete at 40). I would give him a great chance in MMA with some intensive training, by top coaches!

But I'm not sure I could say the same for any MMA fighters becoming world class boxers. Many of the best MMA fighters are rejects that didn't make the cut in other sports... (Jon Jones is a good example)

And I say all of that as a fan of MMA. I'm no hater... the only reason I give Floyd a great chance in the MMA world, is because he was one of the greatest athletic talents in sports history!

MMA does not contain many world class athletic talents IMO!

Thats how most MMA fighters start off . Strong in a certain area and then develop other areas later on .

Mayweather could easily have been a UFC champ if he crossed over in his 20s

He simply didnt need to like wrestlers BJJ/Judo/Karate people do .

ScumLord · 27-07-2017 02:07PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

All he has to do is land and with those 4oz gloves the fights over . Surely a hail Mary chance no ?

Ya, a hail Mary chance, but I wouldn't say it's easier for a boxer to win an MMA fight than it is for an MMA fighter to win a boxing fight, other way around.

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Tell you what though... if you took prime Mayweather (say 25 years old)... and let him train wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing for a year or two... with his level of boxing, he would have a very good chance in the UFC.

I guess anything's possible, but most UFC fighters come from specialising in one discipline like boxing, or wrestling, of karate. They have a lifetime of fighting experience behind them like Ronda Rousey and Holy Homes had. Your not going to train to be a black belt in Jujitsu in one or two years and if you're going up against other black belts (which many of them have to be these days) you're screwed as soon as you hit the floor.

Prime Floyd was an amazing athlete. (he's still an amazing athlete at 40). I would give him a great chance in MMA with some intensive training, by top coaches!

A Floyd in his prime with 4 or 5 years of training would stand a good chance.

MMA does not contain many world class athletic talents IMO!

They've had a number of olympians in MMA, wrestlers don't really have much of a career once they've won their medals and left school, so there's been a few world class wrestlers. In Europe we don't tend to hear about all the other martial arts out there, we only hear and care about boxing. Many MMA fighters are champions in other martial arts.

MMA fighters are full time, they fight regularly. Boxers can take breaks and train for 6 months leading up to a fight. I'd say MMA fighters are much tougher than boxers, they take more abuse in their sport,

Sweet Science · 27-07-2017 02:10PM

Conor on points

ScumLord wrote: »

Ya, a hail Mary chance, but I wouldn't say it's easier for a boxer to win an MMA fight than it is for an MMA fighter to win a boxing fight, other way around.

I guess anything's possible, but most UFC fighters come from specialising in one discipline like boxing, or wrestling, of karate. They have a lifetime of fighting experience behind them like Ronda Rousey and Holy Homes had. Your not going to train to be a black belt in Jujitsu in one or two years and if you're going up against other black belts (which many of them have to be these days) you're screwed as soon as you hit the floor.

A Floyd in his prime with 4 or 5 years of training would stand a good chance.

They've had a number of olympians in MMA, wrestlers don't really have much of a career once they've won their medals and left school, so there's been a few world class wrestlers. In Europe we don't tend to hear about all the other martial arts out there, we only hear and care about boxing. Many MMA fighters are champions in other martial arts.

MMA fighters are full time, they fight regularly. Boxers can take breaks and train for 6 months leading up to a fight. I'd say MMA fighters are much tougher than boxers, they take more abuse in their sport,

How could this be true ? It's filtered down . Its specialised . Surely that makes it a lot harder

ThinkProgress · 27-07-2017 02:18PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

That's just it. Floyd hopped in the Octagon right now he would have a very very slim chance to win. Just like Conor in boxing.

Give Floyd time and prep and definitely his chances rise. Same with Conor in boxing

But I really believe that Floyd'd chances rise more significantly in a Floyd vs Conor Octagon match than the other way around...

Boxing is that very specific and precise, and Floyd is a scientist. Conor is not the same scientist in MMA.

Floyd learns and adapts better to MMA training and techniques to allow him that better chance. Conor has no real hope no matter how much he trains in boxing

MMA is a jack of all trades. Boxing is pinpoint specific.

Yeah, I agree...

Given enough time, Floyd could learn enough to get decent at other areas, to let his boxing ability and greater athleticism shine!

He would pick up kickboxing fairly quickly, I would imagine. Throw in some Muay Thai too...

After that, he would need to work on TDD, have some kind of ability to defend on the ground, and some kind of decent ability to get back to his feet when on the ground...

But with his striking, he wouldn't really need to be amazing at those things. Look how far Conor's striking has taken him... Floyd is on another level in that respect. And he would easily be the greatest athlete in the entire sport! (imo)

I just don't see any MMA guys learning enough to replicate the same in the boxing world... it's just far too specialised. MMA is still a young sport.... the level will rise a lot given time, but right now it would be easier for Floyd to break through and be successful.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 27-07-2017 02:21PM

Floyd via DQ

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Yeah, I agree...

Given enough time, Floyd could learn enough to get decent at other areas, to let his boxing ability and greater athleticism shine!

He would pick up kickboxing fairly quickly, I would imagine. Throw in some Muay Thai too...

After that, he would need to work on TDD, have some kind of ability to defend on the ground, and some kind of decent ability to get back to his feet when on the ground...

But with his striking, he wouldn't really need to be amazing at those things. Look how far Conor's striking has taken him... Floyd is on another level in that respect. And he would easily be the greatest athlete in the entire sport! (imo)

I just don't see any MMA guys learning enough to replicate the same in the boxing world... it's just far too specialised. MMA is still a young sport.... the level will rise a lot given time, but right now it would be easier for Floyd to break through and be successful.

If Jon Jones had chosen boxing there is no reason to think he couldn't do the same as you suggest for Floyd.

And actually on that point if McGregor had focused entirely on boxing who knows what he could have achieved in the sport. McGregor has shown himself to be absolutely dedicated and determined to be the best at what he does.

ScumLord · 27-07-2017 02:22PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

How could this be true ? It's filtered down . Its specialised . Surely that makes it a lot harder

Because being able to throw a punch becomes redundant if you can't stop the other guy taking you to the ground. An MMA fighter doesn't need to even be within punching range to hurt you because of kicks.

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