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Season 7 Episode 2 "Stormborn" - "Non book readers"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    After last week, this one felt much more like the Game of Thrones I remember.

    At first it felt like it was continuing to wrap things up.
    - oh look, this is how they'll win the war
    - oh look, this is how we'll sort out everyones problems
    - oh look, it's all happy days for everyone except the lannister homelands
    Much doubt cast on all plans now. Just to see if they have enough in the tank to deliver an epic ending.

    I suppose the biggest concern is the gore. They go overboard like that too early and the money might be spent way too early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Sand Snake's aren't popular but I'm not looking forward to the last one's end. I have a feeling The Mountain will be involved.

    And Bronn to the rescue of the Bad Possay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Theon was more cowardly than the Lion from the Wizard of Oz:

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    Loved that scene. His whimper and flinch at the guy cutting someone's tongue was great. As someone on Reddit said, dismemberment would easily trigger his PTSD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭ISOP


    Great Episode, Daenrys will not the walkover she thought she would


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I just don't understand Jamie as a character anymore.
    He's back with Cersei and despite the fact she blew up half of King's Landing, killing civilians and the Lannisters' only remaining allies and clearly becoming madder by the minute, he's still stuck by her side trying to get people to bend the knee to her.
    I just don't understand what the point was in having him undergo the journey he went on earlier in the show and all that character development just to have him become a lapdog for Cersei.
    That character has totally lost its way, imo.

    Also, Euron is one of the worst styled characters ever in the show.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    Possible reunion between Bronn and Tyene Sand next episode perhaps!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Vojera


    Poor Greyworm admitted on screen that he has a reason to live. So I assume he's not long for this world :pac:

    Enjoyed the episode a lot. Felt really long, they crammed a lot into it.

    I felt a little like they were saying "Wow, these Sand Snakes are really unpopular, let's just get rid of them" but hey, I'm happy enough with how it went.

    Also, glad to see the two fleets come together. As someone said last week, they were both crossing a relatively narrow strait, it was practically destined to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Vojera wrote: »
    Also, glad to see the two fleets come together. As someone said last week, they were both crossing a relatively narrow strait, it was practically destined to happen.

    It'll probably spell the end of Danerys trusting Tyrion's judgement. Olenna planted the seed of doubt, but now that the first of his plans have literally gone up in flames, I don't know how keen she'll be to trust his tactics again. Could be interesting if/when Jon arrives to meet her after Tyrion bigging him up. I don't expect Jon to bend the knee like she wants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Daledge


    Dany's attitude during this episode made me feel like she may end up as mad as her father by the end. Be a very unexpected twist if she ended up being the "bad guy".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Daledge wrote: »
    Dany's attitude during this episode made me feel like she may end up as mad as her father by the end. Be a very unexpected twist if she ended up being the "bad guy".

    She's not exactly squeaky clean either.She's shown a few times already that she can be pretty cruel when she needs to be.Pretty much every character in the show up to now has been at some point a bad guy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Daledge


    She's not exactly squeaky clean either.She's shown a few times already that she can be pretty cruel when she needs to be.Pretty much every character in the show up to now has been at some point a bad guy.

    I know that but in general she's been one of the "good guys" with an unmerciful side. I read a fan theory of how the series might end that this episode has made me believe may come to fruition. I'll put it in spoiler tags because I know this isn't the speculation thread. Hope that's okay mods, if not just snip it. Again there's literally nothing but speculation to back it up.
    What if dany does end up going completely mad and becoming the bad guy, and Jon ends up being the one who kills her? Would definitely be a surprise ending and GRRM I believe has already stated the ending of the series is going to be bittersweet, that certainly would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,327 ✭✭✭✭klose


    These sam transition scenes arent good for someone with a weak stomach :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    Well I wasnt expecting that......disappointed really, Euron quickly becoming more of a prick than Ramsey Bolton.

    How Daenerys gonna come back from this? this plays into Jon Snow's hands now she will have to give up the North in order to win a land battle to take Kings landing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭shellycub


    How Daenerys gonna come back from this? this plays into Jon Snow's hands now she will have to give up the North in order to win a land battle to take Kings landing.[/quote]

    Good point, never thought of how this could give Jon an advantage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    major bill wrote: »
    Well I wasnt expecting that......disappointed really, Euron quickly becoming more of a prick than Ramsey Bolton.

    How Daenerys gonna come back from this? this plays into Jon Snow's hands now she will have to give up the North in order to win a land battle to take Kings landing.

    I cant see Jon marching his army all the way down to Kings Landing to help Danny when he clearly has more pressing issues up North.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,562 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Would the white walkers attack kings landing or is the north there main concern ???

    Imagine what civilians in kings landing would think if a load of zombies attacked there ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,601 ✭✭✭munster87


    Dickon. Heh :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Would the white walkers attack kings landing or is the north there main concern ???

    Imagine what civilians in kings landing would think if a load of zombies attacked there ???

    I have it in my head that GOT will end with the Nights King staring out towards the sea from Kings landing!!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Good grief Missandei is physical perfection.

    Excellent episode, felt a bit like Silicon Valley with the perfect plan going to ****e at the last minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I thought it was a pretty great episode overall. So much seemed to happen in the hour.

    Frankly, I've always found anything involving Daenerys to be pretty boring compared to all of the other sub-plots: she goes here, she goes there, faces opposition, but always manages to triumph because, y'know, dragons. But at least now we can see how maybe there is a chance for a bit of unexpected drama, with plans suddenly going awry. I will say that I have never really warmed to Daenerys as a character, even after six seasons, and to see her acting like a haughty wagon at times during the episode only confirmed my view of her to be honest.

    Liked the Arya stuff - but I always like the Arya stuff. It was a nice callback to meet up again with Hotpie - the one citizen of Westeros who continues to get halier and heartier in the face of the constant privation and warfare all around. Fair play to him. Make him King - he obviously is doing something right.

    So it seems that Jorah is on his way to being on the mend, but, by christ, those few glimpses of his skin being peeled off were terrifically horrible to watch. I knew the show wouldn't pass on the opportunity to be utterly rank about it, but they really went all out - that leaking pus. Ah Heyor!

    I agree with the theory that Greyworm - now that he can die a happy scowling man - won't be coming back from his mission. I didn't think the scene between him and Missandei was handled in the best way possible. I totally get why that scene had to happen and I actually thought Greyworm opening up about his feelings and fears was quite well done, but, the rest of it was a bit tone deaf - even for a show that doesn't even know that subtlety exists. It could have been the first genuinely tender and moving love scene in GoT history. Instead it went on far too long and strayed firmly into the regular territory of "Phwoar, lookatthat!".

    Meanwhile we had Jon being Jon - trying to do the right thing and taking flack for it. Wasn't so sure how to read that scene with Littlefinger. On one hand Jon was being a bit of an ungrateful so-and-so to the man that effectively saved his life, but, on the other hand, it's Littlefinger - who bloody well knows what he's up to. It's funny, because I think Aiden Gillen is a truly terrible actor - he's so wooden and always appears to be a man "acting" a part on screen instead of properly inhabiting a character, but it sort of works for him at times on Game of Thrones; he's such a bad actor that when Littlefinger might actually be telling the truth about something you can never fully buy it.

    Cersei and Jaime were in there too - wheeling and dealing, but not up to much so far this season. Well, aside, from a bit of cross-bowing. Some significant cross-bowing I suppose, but I kind of view their chances with that implement as similar to McGregor landing a potential Superman punch on Floyd Mayweather's head: yeah it could happen, but they'd have to get awfully lucky.

    And yeah the battle -

    The battle sequence was properly terrific. One of those parts of Game of Thrones when I remember why I love it so much. Epic, gruelling, frenetic action that equals anything I've seen on a cinema screen in scale and execution, but with a feeling of greater import and lashings and lashings of generous helpings of gore. And no more of those godawful annoying sand-snakes. In fairness they went out with a bang. At times I thought the action was perhaps a bit too frenetic and hard to follow, but I grew to like the way it was all put together - little touches like the random near miss by fireball or the omnipresent sparks - and the climax with poor oul Theon gave a proper resonance to all the stylised mayhem that came before it. And it really changes a lot in terms of plot too. Also the single best moment of the entire episode was the look Yara gave Theon seconds before the attack began - that ah sure I'm going to have a bit of sex now look.

    I can't help but like Euron. When he appeared from nowhere during the last season I did think, "who the hell is this Eurotrash"? But he's been steadily impressive in this season. He's a shittalking arrogant asskicker in the mould of Oberyn Martell - without any of the honour of course, but he's defintely got something.

    The fact that there was no Ed Sheeran this week means that the episode was several hundred times better than last week. So far I'm okay with the noticably quicker pacing of this season, which was to be expected. Hopefully things won't get too rushed, but thumbs up for this week and I'm already licking my lips for next time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    The problem I have with Theon as a character is that he killed two young boys a few seasons ago just to convince people he killed the Stark boys. I really can't forgive him for such a callous act so he gets little sympathy from me. Kinda wish he had been killed in tonight's attack to be honest because his scenes don't interest me.

    Those sand sisters look like they've wondered in from a bad episode of Xena. Horrible miscalculation by the writers last season. Glad to see them gone.

    Danny has gone from a person who you could root for, to someone who can be quite unpleasant and almost dictatorial. I'm sure it is intentional which certainly makes you wonder what her arc will be this season.

    With Davos on his way to Dragonstone with Jon, he is on course to be reunited with Melisandre which I'm sure will be a heated conversation :)

    I hope they manage to find out what to do with Arya. She's been wandering around Westeros for two episodes now. They need to involve her more in the main plot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭emo72


    i wonder what those fireball thingys in the opening credits are hinting at. also that other big round thingy that zooms in and out. they look like technologically advanced things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭SeanJ09


    I don't know. He had a tough choice. He couldn't save Yara. The minute he attacked Euron, he'd slit her throat and start on Theon. Unlikely Theon could beat him in a fight, so best choice was to do what he did. At least Yara will be kept as a hostage. For the moment.

    Did the end of the episode not show Yara hung by the throat along with Ellaria sand nailed below her? Euron would have no reason in keeping her alive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    Daeny will have to become more ruthless. Fighting a war will require it. Varys is my fav character and i didn't like her giving him lip.
    Littlefinger couldn't have asked for a better position: sansa in power with jon absent for a time. Stir it up...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Arghus wrote: »
    Some significant cross-bowing I suppose, but I kind of view their chances with that implement as similar to McGregor landing a potential Superman punch on Floyd Mayweather's head: yeah it could happen, but they'd have to get awfully lucky.

    I think that probably will work on one of the dragons, if only for the shock value.
    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    Did the end of the episode not show Yara hung by the throat along with Ellaria sand nailed below her? Euron would have no reason in keeping her alive.

    Two of the sand snakes are dead at the end, killed with their own weapons. Yara and Ellaria are I think the "gifts" for Cersei.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,752 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    munster87 wrote: »
    Dickon. Heh :D

    I'm guessing he'll have a bigger role since it's a known actor (Black Sails)


    Wonder what Sansa is going to do while Jon's away. And will Arya stop her or maybe meet Jon on his way?
    Frankly I want Jon, Arya, Dany and Tyrion together.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    Did the end of the episode not show Yara hung by the throat along with Ellaria sand nailed below her? Euron would have no reason in keeping her alive.
    Euron led her away before the shot changed. She had a tear running down her cheek. He has reason to keep her alive: giving cersei a general of the enemy's army is a bonus gift.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    SeanJ09 wrote: »
    Did the end of the episode not show Yara hung by the throat along with Ellaria sand nailed below her? Euron would have no reason in keeping her alive.

    That's what I thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    seligehgit wrote: »
    That's what I thought.

    I think it was the two sand snake girls that Euron killed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    This was the euron I had heard about , proper nutjob. I only wish they gave him some brief appearance in earlier seasons . His story arc is about 20 mins of the whole show so far.


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