Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

bangkok · 24-07-2017 02:09PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I'd love for us to get Barkley. Once touted as next big thing. Still only 23 and if we could bring him in with a chip on his shoulder and a manger that can work with him he could be back to his best.

Has the talent just seems to have lost the confidence and consistency lately.

where would you play him? not good enough for a start at man utd imo

Adamocovic · 24-07-2017 02:11PM

posturingpat wrote: »

So people still hold hope Barkley can be top drawer :eek:

23 years old.
6 years experience in PL.
150 caps in PL.
22 English caps.

6 goals and 8 assists in a season where majority of fans seem to think he's a lost cause and playing terribly.

I certainly put myself in the category that Barkley can be a top drawer player. He has time on his side and shown enough flashes to suggest he's capable of it.

Adamocovic · 24-07-2017 02:16PM

bangkok wrote: »

where would you play him? not good enough for a start at man utd imo

He's capable of playing centre mid, right, left or further forward. Versatile.

I agree on current form he wouldn't be starting but if we could get him at a decent price and work with him he could turn out to be some very good business. Could go the other way too.

All hypothetical, and truth be told I don't see us making a move for him, he'll probably go to someone like Spurs, end up having a blinder and us all scratching our heads :pac:

posturingpat · 24-07-2017 02:18PM

He hasn't got anything resembling footballing intelligence and is at his level currently, how anybody can consider him a good signing i don't know.

bangkok · 24-07-2017 02:21PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

23 years old.
6 years experience in PL.
150 caps in PL.
22 English caps.

6 goals and 8 assists in a season where majority of fans seem to think he's a lost cause and playing terribly.

I certainly put myself in the category that Barkley can be a top drawer player. He has time on his side and shown enough flashes to suggest he's capable of it.

theo walcott....

11 years experience in pl
264 caps in pl
47 English caps

19 goals last season

ask the majority of Arsenal supporters and they would be glad to see the back of him.

Another english player just like Barkley who was all hype, no substance

bangkok · 24-07-2017 02:40PM

Mendy done deal to city.... brilliant signing for them, class player

Quandary · 24-07-2017 02:43PM

I know he's not a DM but I'd love to see us get Renato Sanches on a loan deal with an option to buy. I thought he was incredible at the Euros. Still only 19 too!

Adamocovic · 24-07-2017 02:52PM

bangkok wrote: »

theo walcott....

11 years experience in pl
264 caps in pl
47 English caps

19 goals last season

ask the majority of Arsenal supporters and they would be glad to see the back of him.

Another english player just like Barkley who was all hype, no substance

Walcott is 28. Barkley 23. How can you predict Barkley will follow in Theo Walcotts path? Think it's a bit of a stretch of an example of what can go wrong and way too early in Barkley's career to talk as if he's done. Walcott truth be told hasn't been that bad at times, just never lived up to the potential, has very little to do with Barkleys career.

We are straying off topic a little here but the final thing I will say is that while we both are entitled to our opinions and truth be told you can argue either side for Barkley, valid points on both ends whether he will make it, I think bringing Walcott's career into this as a reason for Barkley to fail is quite a stretch and I'm afraid I can't get behind that argument at all.

Sure Walcott is a cautionary tale but is Barkley destined to emulate his career due to the fact they are both English and a highly rated youngster? You talk about Barkley as if he is already finished "all hype, no substance". If we want to say Walcott and Barkley are just alike surely give Barkley another 5 years to catch up on him.

Truth be told can go either way. But I'm going to bookmark this and see how he compares.
Long haul baby.

Lord TSC · 24-07-2017 02:56PM

Lads, for whatever reason, tensions are running high for the last 24 hours, so I'll ask both sides to take a breather, and get back to talking about United, not each other.

And I stress, this is for both sides; anyone who took initial "shots" and people who want to vent about them. Both sides are entitled to ignore the others, but drop the petty childishness of "He said, she said", and the likes.

posturingpat · 24-07-2017 02:59PM

So... Arda Turan? What's the story with him? Surely he's done at Barca? Imagine getting him at a low price and him going back to his Atletico form

bangkok · 24-07-2017 03:00PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Walcott is 28. Barkley 23. How can you predict Barkley will follow in Theo Walcotts path? Think it's a bit of a stretch of an example of what can go wrong and way too early in Barkley's career to talk as if he's done. Walcott truth be told hasn't been that bad at times, just never lived up to the potential, has very little to do with Barkleys career.

We are straying off topic a little here but the final thing I will say is that while we both are entitled to our opinions and truth be told you can argue either side for Barkley, valid points on both ends whether he will make it, I think bringing Walcott's career into this as a reason for Barkley to fail is quite a stretch and I'm afraid I can't get behind that argument at all.

Sure Walcott is a cautionary tale but is Barkley destined to emulate his career due to the fact they are both English and a highly rated youngster? You talk about Barkley as if he is already finished "all hype, no substance". If we want to say Walcott and Barkley are just alike surely give Barkley another 5 years to catch up on him.

Truth be told can go either way. But I'm going to bookmark this and see how he compares.
Long haul baby.

Barkley is a good player, no question about it, but he is not good enough for Man Utd, decent squad player but for the prices quoted, no thanks

bryangiggsy · 24-07-2017 03:01PM

bangkok wrote: »

team that will probably start opening day of the season......

de gea

valencia
smalling
bailly
darmian

herrera----fellaini----pogba

mkhitarayan

rashford
lukaku

still lacking that something imo, balance isnt quiet right yet

Still lacking something imo???!!! its the same team as last year plus lukaku!!!

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:01PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

23 years old.
6 years experience in PL.
150 caps in PL.
22 English caps.

6 goals and 8 assists in a season where majority of fans seem to think he's a lost cause and playing terribly.

I certainly put myself in the category that Barkley can be a top drawer player. He has time on his side and shown enough flashes to suggest he's capable of it.

I think Barkley could turn it around BUT...

For an attacking role we already have Pogba, Herrera and Pereira - as well as Feillain, Lingard, Mata, Mkhitaryan who can play that role. I just don't see the need for him.

Sanches, while even less proven and more of a risk is more of a combative central midfielder, and would fit in the squad needs (imo) of United, where Barkley does not.

I don't think either sort out the defensive midfield requirement United need to sort as a priority (imo) but if we were looking at adding an additional midfield option then Sanches would be a far better pick (position/role wise) than Barkley - though there are question marks over both in terms of actual performances.

Adamocovic · 24-07-2017 03:05PM

posturingpat wrote: »

So... Arda Turan? What's the story with him? Surely he's done at Barca? Imagine getting him at a low price and him going back to his Atletico form

What about Strootman

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:06PM

Feillain... what on earth were my fingers with that one!?

posturingpat · 24-07-2017 03:08PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

What about Strootman

I was actually thinking about him the other day,still a good player(not that i'm suggesting we should go for him)

bangkok · 24-07-2017 03:10PM

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Still lacking something imo???!!! its the same team as last year plus lukaku!!!

Lindelof will be centre back, not sure he will start opening day of season, also another signing or 2 could come in so the starting 11 could change

DM_7 · 24-07-2017 03:14PM

At this stage, unless a player arriving would be an immediate first choice, what is the point?

Its grand for a Bayern or Real to fill out the squad but United need to improve he first choice options.

Adamocovic · 24-07-2017 03:16PM

DM_7 wrote: »

At this stage, unless a player arriving would be an immediate first choice, what is the point?

Its grand for a Bayern or Real to fill out the squad but United need to improve he first choice options.

I think the initial conversation started while considering Herrera getting injured. If he does what are our options for that position.

Talk of Carrick and Fellaini being the only real options. Can throw Jones into that too. But Phil can play anywhere if needed.

That's why a discussion of CM options in market is floating around. But I think I just ended it.
Phil Jones the unbreakable object to anchor the midfield.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:18PM

DM_7 wrote: »

At this stage, unless a player arriving would be an immediate first choice, what is the point?

Its grand for a Bayern or Real to fill out the squad but United need to improve he first choice options.

The squad, imo, is lacking, as much as the first team is.

I would certainly say we need a first choice defensive midfielder signed before anyone else - no argument there imo - but I would also say there is room in the squad for additions beyond the first team. Also, a player like Sanches, you would hope, would develop towards the potential they showed, which would put them bang in line for a first team spot.

A couple of years ago if you had said our midfield would be Matic (for example) Pogba and Sanches we'd have been delighted. Maybe Sanches won't reach the levels people though - but if he was a supplementary signing to improve the options (and hopefully quality) in midfield I'd be all for it.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:19PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I think the initial conversation started while considering Herrera getting injured. If he does what are our options for that position.

Talk of Carrick and Fellaini being the only real options. Can throw Jones into that too. But Phil can play anywhere if needed.

That's why a discussion of CM options in market is floating around. But I think I just ended it.
Phil Jones the unbreakable object to anchor the midfield.

I'd see Pereira as the most obvious replacement for Herrera, if we can get a proper DM (As I don't want to see either Herrera or Pereira there).

pjohnson · 24-07-2017 03:27PM

I wouldn't touch Sanches we have our own young midfielder actually coming off a good season abroad rather than a sh*t season. I'd give Pereira a chance over signing Sanches all day long.

xtal191 · 24-07-2017 03:29PM

Bailly got a 3 match ban from Europe, will miss the Super Cup and opening Champions League match.

IncognitoMan · 24-07-2017 03:32PM

bangkok wrote: »

team that will probably start opening day of the season......

de gea

valencia
smalling
bailly
darmian

herrera----fellaini----pogba

mkhitarayan

rashford
lukaku

still lacking that something imo, balance isnt quiet right yet

A defensive midfielder who can sit and protect the defense. If there isn't one signed by the time the league starts we should go with 3 center backs to cover for the fact we don't have a defensive midfielder. Whatever happens Fellaini shouldn't be starting anyway.

I'd go

De Gea

Bailly---Lindelof----Smalling

Valencia

Darmian

Herrera

Pogba

Mkhitarayan

Lukaku

Martial

That side could really do with a bit of attacking threat down the left as well.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:32PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I wouldn't touch Sanches we have our own young midfielder actually coming off a good season abroad rather than a sh*t season. I'd give Pereira a chance over signing Sanches all day long.

I think we lack numbers in central midfield and could do with both.

If we went with a standard three man midfield with a DM we would have, imo, a first choice of:

DM
---Herrera

Pogba.

Backing that up - 36 year old Carrick, Fellaini and Pereira. I think you could add Sanches to that. Pereira could also play a more attacking role. With a DM behind them I could see Pereira and Sanches complimenting each other. I don't think it would need to be an either/or scenario.

If Sanches worked out, you would then have your replacement for Carrick ready to go for next season, when I assume Carrick will be gone.

Mitch Connor · 24-07-2017 03:33PM

xtal191 wrote: »

Bailly got a 3 match ban from Europe, will miss the Super Cup and opening Champions League match.

Its amazing that has only been confirmed now... what is it? 3 months later?

TheDoc · 24-07-2017 03:48PM

posturingpat wrote: »

So people still hold hope Barkley can be top drawer :eek:

Should be specific in saying it's not people, it's just me.

It's not a justifiable opinion either, just can't shake the idea there is a class midfielder in there that has just been horribly mismanaged.

Not that I believe Jose is the man to do it, just think he's a quality player that if he learned consistency and some decision making, could be a gem.

But I appreciate it's against the grain and against popular theory at this stage considering the evidence there.

TheDoc · 24-07-2017 03:51PM

bangkok wrote: »

where would you play him? not good enough for a start at man utd imo

For me while yes, he wouldn't get into the team, I'd hope he'd learn in a stronger environment and take grasp of his opportunities. It's essentially a big step up that would be somewhat undeserved many would say, but there is incredible talent there.

In my head, that wonderful place, if many variables clicked he would form a midfield three with Pogba and a holding DM, replacing Herrera.

It's all pie in the sky stuff from me, with no tangible evidence or hypothesis apart from my own feelings towards him, but sure isn't that all part of it. For no logical reason becoming infatuated or considered to a player that you want to do well or think can do well.

Potentially a part of it is me getting to sit back, legs reclined and giving a lovely look of "told you so" when he turns into a monster player, but all evidence suggest that is unlikely to this point.

Do think he is being harshly treated by Koeman last season, him being dropped from England was extreme and that the critique he gets is a bit overblown in the general media, which feeds its way into the narrative. He had a pretty good season all round last year, and he is a very good player. Problem he endures is that he was cast as the next best thing, and anything but is being viewed as poor, him not harnessing his potential, or not being good enough.

TheDoc · 24-07-2017 03:54PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

What about Strootman

****ing Fergie, could have had Strootman wrapped up for a bargain and our deep holding midfielder problem sorted for years.

TheDoc · 24-07-2017 03:56PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The squad, imo, is lacking, as much as the first team is.

I would certainly say we need a first choice defensive midfielder signed before anyone else - no argument there imo - but I would also say there is room in the squad for additions beyond the first team. Also, a player like Sanches, you would hope, would develop towards the potential they showed, which would put them bang in line for a first team spot.

A couple of years ago if you had said our midfield would be Matic (for example) Pogba and Sanches we'd have been delighted. Maybe Sanches won't reach the levels people though - but if he was a supplementary signing to improve the options (and hopefully quality) in midfield I'd be all for it.

Our midfield has been garbage for years in fairness, so it's not going to take much to make things look better.

Bringing in Schneiderlan and Schweinsteiger in that summer window felt like a godsend. It's incredible how neglected our midfield has been and either shows it's an overvalued position in the modern game (Ferguson could have addressed it many times but instead would target strikers or wide players) or it's actually really difficult to find brilliant ones.

I'd say it's the latter, cause I'll never not think the centre of the pitch is the most important function in a team

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