So it's the 12th of July tomorrow. Will the North ever not be sectarian?

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 05:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are those children exposed to sectarianism and suprematist bile? Yes I would be concerned for them if that was the case.

You can engage in all the whataboutery you wish, it doesn't diminish what the OO stand for.

I will take that as a no then.....

Sofiztikated · 13-07-2017 05:59PM

seachto7 wrote: »

Maybe I'm stupid, but has anyone asked this question yet in public? I mean, let's say there was a united Ireland in a few years. Loyalists would suddenly be in the minority, and no longer be loyalists, so would they, in protest, take up arms again to push for another UK statelet/wee country/province?

I mean, all well and good saying your culture will be protected in a united Ireland, but if your culture is "being British", then how would that work in a 32 county republic? Unless we give d'auld 26 back to Britain... :P

Orange culture is one thing, celebrating being Protestant, but we all know July 12th is about being Protestant and British. I don't think a bunch of proud Protestants from Tralee could go and march with the Kerry GAA flag/banner up there...

A bunch of Protestants from Tralee could go and march, under the banner of a lodge, if there was one.

There's Protestants from the Republic that march already, under lodges in the Republic.

Junkyard Tom · 13-07-2017 06:00PM

seachto7 wrote: »

let's say there was a united Ireland in a few years. Loyalists would suddenly be in the minority, and no longer be loyalists

They'd still be Loyalists just like Irish nationalists remained Irish nationalists when the 6 counties was partitioned.

so would they, in protest, take up arms again to push for another UK statelet/wee country/province?

Repartition is it? That would be bad for everyone.

if your culture is "being British", then how would that work in a 32 county republic?

Access to dual citizenship as there is in the north. There'd be nobody telling people they're not British.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 06:01PM

timthumbni wrote: »

I will take that as a no then.....

Well can you show that they are exposed to sectarianism and suprematist bile?

Are the people around them trying to taunt others of a different religion, burning effigies of rival politicians, coloured people etc etc?

And yes, I would be concerned about what they were being exposed to (militaristic nonsense) and I think it is wrong, totally wrong.

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 06:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well can you show that they are exposed to sectarianism and suprematist bile?

Are the people around them trying to taunt others of a different religion, burning effigies of rival politicians, coloured people etc etc?

And yes, I would be concerned about what they were being exposed to (militaristic nonsense) and I think it is wrong, totally wrong.

Well you were going to phone social services about kids being exposed to bouncy castles and face painting at the 12th ffs... but you appear to be not convinced about Irish republican children being forced to dress up in paramilitary gear. You need more evidence apparently... I'm sensing an agenda here Francie.

Who would have thunk it????

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 06:11PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Well you were going to phone social services about kids being exposed to bouncy castles and face painting at the 12th ffs... but you appear to be not convinced about Irish republican children being forced to dress up in paramilitary gear. You need more evidence apparently... I'm sensing an agenda here Francie.

Who would have thunk it????

I clearly hit the guilt nerve as you try to put words in my mouth.

I clearly said exposing children to the sectarianism and suprematism of the OO.

I don't need anymore evidence regarding children dressing in military gear, I asked where they exposed to sectarianism and suprematism.

But carry on trying to twist it.

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 06:18PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Well you were going to phone social services about kids being exposed to bouncy castles and face painting at the 12th ffs... but you appear to be not convinced about Irish republican children being forced to dress up in paramilitary gear. You need more evidence apparently... I'm sensing an agenda here Francie.

Who would have thunk it????

The education budget will be sky high in a united Ireland.

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 06:20PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

The education budget will be sky high in a united Ireland.

Well we won't need to concern ourselves with that will we?

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 06:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't need anymore evidence regarding children dressing in military gear, I asked where they exposed to sectarianism and suprematism .

To be fair maybe they were probably exposed more to flower arranging and community relations. Or maybe more like bringing about a united ireland by bombing and shooting unionism into it. It just works every time.... or maybe not...

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 06:28PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Well we won't need to concern ourselves with that will we?

Well I won't sidetrack the thread but times they are a changing. Labour into power in the U.K. and things get very interesting.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 06:31PM

timthumbni wrote: »

To be fair maybe they were probably exposed more to flower arranging and community relations. Or maybe more like bringing about a united ireland by bombing and shooting unionism into it. It just works every time.... or maybe not...

Try all the whataboutery you wish, it will not diminish the effects of the last bastion of sectarianism and supremacy on this island. The OO and the elements of Unionism still clinging to it. A bouncy castle of sectarianism and suprematism if you wish.

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 06:31PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Well I won't sidetrack the thread but times they are a changing. Labour into power in the U.K. and things get very interesting.

You are assuming that labour would still be under the control of Ira fan boys but that would be a big assumption. I agree though that it's for a different thread.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 06:33PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Well I won't sidetrack the thread but times they are a changing. Labour into power in the U.K. and things get very interesting.

They are indeed. Progress to normality is being made, we shouldn't forget that. And the first thing in changing anything is to get people to see what they are doing is wrong. And that is happening in Unionism, slowly but surely.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 06:35PM

timthumbni wrote: »

You are assuming that labour would still be under the control of Ira fan boys but that would be a big assumption. I agree though that it's for a different thread.

When you come out with that sort of stuff you can smell the fear, to be honest.
I kind of feel sorry for Unionists who have forced themselves up a cul de sac that has a very definite end. I genuinely do.

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 06:38PM

timthumbni wrote: »

You are assuming that labour would still be under the control of Ira fan boys but that would be a big assumption. I agree though that it's for a different thread.

Yep politics is never straightforward. Ask Teresa May and the resurgent labour vote in the younger generation. The demographics are very interesting and in labour's favour though depends who the tories bring in to replace May. Corbyn is there to stay for a while though.

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 06:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When you come out with that sort of stuff you can smell the fear, to be honest.
I kind of feel sorry for Unionists who have forced themselves up a cul de sac that has a very definite end. I genuinely do.

If you can smell the fear then perhaps you should pick up the blower and call your old buddies in social services. I'm sure you are first name terms with those guys by now....

seachto7 · 13-07-2017 07:02PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

A bunch of Protestants from Tralee could go and march, under the banner of a lodge, if there was one.

There's Protestants from the Republic that march already, under lodges in the Republic.

Well could they bring their tricolour with them ? If not, why not? Seems to be only union flags on display everywhere

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 07:03PM

timthumbni wrote: »

If you can smell the fear then perhaps you should pick up the blower and call your old buddies in social services. I'm sure you are first name terms with those guys by now....

As I said, I obviously hit a guilt nerve somewhere with that comment. You trenchantly refuse to deal with the real issues surrounding the annual festival of sectarianism and suprematism that takes place in the name of Unionism and Orangism, it is all 'look at themuns' deflection.
Carry on, it is saying more about you than anything else.

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 07:07PM

seachto7 wrote: »

Well could they bring their tricolour with them ? If not, why not? Seems to be only union flags on display everywhere

they could also wear Kerry gaa jerseys. Would be some laugh

seachto7 · 13-07-2017 07:09PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

they could also wear Kerry gaa jerseys. Would be some laugh

Well that's my point.

Sofiztikated · 13-07-2017 07:21PM

seachto7 wrote: »

Well could they bring their tricolour with them ? If not, why not? Seems to be only union flags on display everywhere

Why would they bring a tricolour with them?

It's a celebration of Protestantism, not Irishness.

And if I recall correctly, Lodge banners from the south are noted slightly differently, but I can't remember how.

munsterlegend wrote: »

they could also wear Kerry gaa jerseys. Would be some laugh

They could. except being that kind of hardcore Protestant that will march, they're less than inclined to wear a GAA jersey. what with that being seen as a Catholic game and all.

See GAA jerseys at parades before anyway. Usually some holidaying family that has no ****ing clue whats going on.

steddyeddy · 13-07-2017 07:37PM

Forget Labour, it's Brexit that will change the North. There is no way that Northern Ireland can survive sans EU. The UK will be a lot weaker and trade will be lower. This medevial stuff can't go on forever. The world has been exposed to the DUP and this sort of lifestyle (based on denigrating other cultures) cannot continue without consequence.

steddyeddy · 13-07-2017 07:55PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

good job there is no bigotry on the republican side

It's hard to know really. When the nationalist side (or anyone else) label bonfires referring to black people as monkeys and "kill all taigs" as racist and sectarian they are labelled bigots. That's not bigotry, that's pointing out bigotry.

munsterlegend · 13-07-2017 08:04PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's hard to know really. When the nationalist side (or anyone else) label bonfires referring to black people as monkeys and "kill all taigs" as racist and sectarian they are labelled bigots. That's not bigotry, that's pointing out bigotry.

But that's their culture and right to offend whoever they want without sanction. It's the mindset of a one party state which is now changing rapidly. It will be an interesting days when SF have the First Minister!

seachto7 · 13-07-2017 08:41PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Why would they bring a tricolour with them?

It's a celebration of Protestantism, not Irishness.

And if I recall correctly, Lodge banners from the south are noted slightly differently, but I can't remember how.

They could. except being that kind of hardcore Protestant that will march, they're less than inclined to wear a GAA jersey. what with that being seen as a Catholic game and all.

See GAA jerseys at parades before anyway. Usually some holidaying family that has no ****ing clue whats going on.

If it's a celebration of Protestantism, why all the union flags ? Why not a tricolour which at least has orange on it to represent Protestants.

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 08:57PM

seachto7 wrote: »

If it's a celebration of Protestantism, why all the union flags ? Why not a tricolour which at least has orange on it to represent Protestants.

The Orange Order is not there as a 'celebration' of Protestantism, it is there to defend it and to oppose Catholicism.
An important distinction and why we are where we are.

seachto7 · 13-07-2017 09:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Orange Order is not there as a 'celebration' of Protestantism, it is there to defend it and to oppose Catholicism.
An important distinction and why we are where we are.

What about Protestants from Tralee . Could they match with a tricolour of they wished? Imaginary scenario I know !

FrancieBrady · 13-07-2017 09:14PM

seachto7 wrote: »

What about Protestants from Tralee . Could they match with a tricolour of they wished? Imaginary scenario I know !

No idea.

Junkyard Tom · 13-07-2017 09:34PM

timthumbni wrote: »

Well we won't need to concern ourselves with that will we?

Out of interest, how would you react if the majority voted for unification?

timthumbni · 13-07-2017 09:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea.

Very true...

So it's the 12th of July tomorrow. Will the North ever not be sectarian?

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