Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

Winterlong · 13-07-2017 01:51PM

For the love of Allah- would just one poster support the OPs point of view?

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 01:52PM

wanderer100 wrote: »

Oh if an Islamic cleric has said that he must be right. Ffs I've been to that mosque a billion times and I can gaurantee there is no 'rampant radicalisation' going on there.

I think we all know who is the islamaphobe here

Pretty sure anyone from a mosque with rampant radicalisation would say the same as you. I'm inclined to believe Dr. Al Qadri who turned down Saudi funding and has nothing to gain and a lot to lose by sticking his head over the parapet and alerting people.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 01:53PM

Widdershins wrote:

Have old Mosques ever been appropriated for churches? I'd find that equally inapproproate tbh, but have not ever heard of it happening.

'Jerez del last Frontera' in Alcazar Spain. Former Mosque converted to a Catholic church. I assume timeframe of when this happened is unimportant.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 01:57PM

Winterlong wrote:

For the love of Allah- would just one poster support the OPs point of view?

Prefer not too, intolerance breeds all sorts of nasty outcomes.

JMNolan · 13-07-2017 01:58PM

I'd say there must be a good bit of this in Spain? They had a fair percentage of mosques at one point in history and are very catholic now, or am I mistaken?

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 02:01PM

JMNolan wrote:

I'd say there must be a good bit of this in Spain? They had a fair percentage of mosques at one point in history and are very catholic now, or am I mistaken?

The Moors conquered much of Southern Spain and built some stunning Mosques which the Catholic church took over after the Moors were expelled.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 02:02PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

'Jerez del last Frontera' in Alcazar Spain. Former Mosque converted to a Catholic church. I assume timeframe of when this happened is unimportant.

It is important I think. Is it typical for reasons other than conquest of a country and the consequent change in national religion. I don't think it's usual anyway.
I wonder if this man has considered other buildings at all.

Maybe for this reason I find it too symbolic to be taking over a Catholic church. It's not the kind of thing that helps the image of a religion accused of being expansionist even in the 21st century, I think he is not doing anyone any favours. I'd really like to know if he's considered other options.

biko · 13-07-2017 02:05PM

Look at England.
Have the introduction of Islamic faith and influx of migrants been beneficial in any way?
Any way at all that you think would be good for Ireland?

We already have had a religious conflict here, let's not set the country up for another.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 02:06PM

Widdershins wrote:

It is important I think. Is it typical for reasons other than conquest of a country and the consequent change in national religion. I don't think it's usual anyway. I wonder if this man has considered other buildings at all.

Why should he consider other Buildings? Maybe the building in question completely suits his needs regarding layout and location. Maybe tolerance and acceptance should be employed?

ScumLord · 13-07-2017 02:10PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well maybe the moral of the story is don't give refuge to people you bomb then, what the west is doing is akin to bombing the Nazi's in Germany and then taking tens of thousands of German citizens who were members of the Nazi party as refugees. It wouldn't seem like a very good idea given the obvious consequences now would it?

It's not at all, not unless you're tarring all Muslims and arabs as Terrorists.

The world hasn't caught up with our ideals of nationhood, there are both allies and enemies in the Syrian war they're not one group of people. To say we shouldn't accept Syrian refugees is a bit like Bombing Germany in WW2 then saying we shouldn't accept Polish refugees because they came in on the train from Berlin.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 02:13PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Why should he consider other Buildings? Maybe the building in question completely suits his needs regarding layout and location. Maybe tolerance and acceptance should be employed?

It's what I would do because as I said I find it inappropriate. That's a bit arrogant and selfish. It might well suit him but he could consider others sensitivities as well as his own convenience-hence looking for others that would also suit him. As I said not doing anyone any favours with this. If you can't see that yet demand 'tolerance and acceptance' I don't think there's much else to say. I'm sure he's well tolerated and accepted already by the looks of things, not sure he reciprocates though.

ScumLord · 13-07-2017 02:17PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It's what I would do because as I said I find it inappropriate. That's a bit arrogant and selfish. It might well suit him but he could consider others sensitivities as well as his own convenience-hence looking for others that would also suit him. As I said not doing anyone any favours with this. If you can't see that yet demand 'tolerance and acceptance' I don't think there's much else to say. I'm sure he's well tolerated and accepted already by the looks of things, not sure he reciprocates though.

If the choice is sell it to an Islamic organisation or have the building go to ruins, which one would you prefer? If no one buys it and the church consider it surplus to requirements it's just going to rot.

It' a nice enough looking building, it would be a shame to see it go derelict.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 02:18PM

Widdershins wrote:

It's what I would do because as I said I find it inappropriate. That's a bit arrogant and selfish. It might well suit him but he could consider others sensitivities as well as his own convenience-hence looking for others that would also suit him. As I said not doing anyone any favours with this. If you can't see that yet demand 'tolerance and acceptance' I don't think there's much else to say. I'm sure he's well tolerated and accepted already by the looks of things, not sure he reciprocates though.

Where did I demand 'tolerance and acceptance'. Personally I find organised religion to be an absolute nonsense, I do however subscribe to a concept of live and let live. Makes the tolerance of fools easier.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 02:19PM

ScumLord wrote: »

If the choice is sell it to an Islamic organisation or have the building go to ruins, which one would you prefer? If no one buys it and the church consider it surplus to requirements it's just going to rot.

It' a nice enough looking building, it would be a shame to see it go derelict.

It's a protected structure, it won't be allowed to disintegrate

conorhal · 13-07-2017 02:20PM

Glenster wrote: »

House for pretend Christian god gets magic water sprinkled on it and becomes house for pretend Islamic god. The world turns.

Instead of a priest in a dress preaching about how a book from 2000 years ago is the literal world of god and we're all sinners and women cant be priests and we should all fast and give him our money, there'll be someone with a different accent and a slightly newer book.

Yes, nothing says 'well integrated in the community' quite like dressing for the foothills of the Hindu Kush in Roscommon.....

It seems like a rather large building for the size of the Muslim community there, but then I will probably have to accomadate a school and community center too, without that kind of infrastructure self segregation gets too hard.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 02:21PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Where did I demand 'tolerance and acceptance'. Personally I find organised religion to be an absolute nonsense, I do however subscribe to a concept of live and let live. Makes the tolerance of fools easier.

Live and let live, me too, but it doesn't really have relevance to this situation imo. It doesn't mean you've to agree to everything someone wants/says. It won't hurt him in the slightest if he doesn't get *this* building.

ScumLord · 13-07-2017 02:24PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It's a protected structure, it won't be allowed to disintegrate

Unless people are using the building it will go to ruin, I don't know what the states reputation is like for maintaining buildings..

JaCrispy · 13-07-2017 02:28PM

Roger Orange Skull wrote: »

We saw many so called Roman Catholics blow up innocents here and in Manchester.

You do actually know they weren't murdered in the name of religion?

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Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 02:29PM

Widdershins wrote:

Live and let live, me too, but it doesn't really have relevance to this situation imo.

It does actually tbh.

Hector Savage · 13-07-2017 02:32PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition?

Such an on topic relevant point in 2017 ...

glynf · 13-07-2017 02:33PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A constitution wrote in the 30's by a bunch of religious influenced individuals with an eye to Rome. Times change, God and all references to invisible sky fairies should be removed from it.

This. IMO most religions cause nothing but problems. The constitution should be reformed, and a completely secular society created-as in every trace of religious influence over state education and social/public policy should be banned, and good f**king riddance.

It’s a free country and people have the right to believe & worship whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes, regardless of what it is...as long as it does not affect those of us who don't care for it and it’s within the confines of the law-leave people to it.

jackofalltrades · 13-07-2017 02:34PM

Don't really see the problem re-purposing one religious building into another.

That said the man who's behind it seems like a right ejit altogether.
He described Ballaghaderreen as a prison and a desert.
I can see he him making a right mess of this, given his lack of tact.
I'd also love to know where the money is coming from and what sect of Islam will be operating there.

Grayson wrote: »

Yeah, the west has been bombing the crap out of the middle east. Thanks to two invasions of Iraq literally millions have died.

No, no it didn't.
The west never bombed anyone.
Certain western countries have bombed certain middle eastern countries.
All labelling this as "the west" does is to turn all western countries, regardless of their actions, into targets.

conorhal · 13-07-2017 02:41PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

No, no it didn't.
The west never bombed anyone.
Certain western countries have bombed certain middle eastern countries.
All labelling this as "the west" does is to turn all western countries, regardless of their actions, into targets.

Things you will never see trending on twitter:

#notallwesterners

Grayson · 13-07-2017 02:44PM

conorhal wrote: »

Yes, nothing says 'well integrated in the community' quite like dressing for the foothills of the Hindu Kush in Roscommon.....

It seems like a rather large building for the size of the Muslim community there, but then I will probably have to accomadate a school and community center too, without that kind of infrastructure self segregation gets too hard.

Can't tell if you're a fascist or fashionista...

Glenster · 13-07-2017 03:06PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Catholicism never actually taught the Bible as literal.

They taught the bits they liked as literal and the bits they didn't like as metaphorical. Which is even worse.

Giving away all your money to the poor, not literal.
Loving everyone, not literal.
Being gay makes you a deviant, Literal.
Pope is the descendant of St Peter and the ultimate, inafallible authority on all matters of faith, made up and literal.

Also this dude doesn't exactly fit in 2017 Ireland either. Why is he wearing an Irish dancing dress?

Sofiztikated · 13-07-2017 03:07PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

All labelling this as "westmuslims" does is to turn all western countriesmuslims, regardless of their actions, into targets.

FYP.

jackofalltrades · 13-07-2017 03:26PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

FYP.

It's a shame that you can only acknowledge one side of the coin.

kylith · 13-07-2017 03:32PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It's a protected structure, it won't be allowed to disintegrate

Not necessarily. Plenty of protected buildings fall derelict because the upkeep is too expensive or the restrictions on materials too restrictive.

Zubeneschamali · 13-07-2017 03:32PM

It's not that I am against the Irish language, I just believe it should be stamped out and all its proponents deported.

Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

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