Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 01:03PM

Yourself isit wrote:

What has that got to do with Bible literalism?

Justification, thought it was obvious.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 01:03PM

Grayson wrote: »

No you see hindus killing people who eat beef in India. You see hindu's committing honor attacks in the UK. You see Hindu's killing and rioting because there are muslims nearby in India.

Strangely you do occasionally see Irish Catholics blowing up kids in the UK. Or killing cops in Ireland. Should we think carefully about having Irish catholics who believe in a republic in this country?

Number of attack by Irish republicans in Ireland = fcuk loads.
Number of attacks by muslims = 0

The problem is that Irish people are native to Ireland, Islam is not.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-07-2017 01:04PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The fact we're not an Islamic country?

We're not supposed to be an any religion country. We are a secular republic. And I am a practicing catholic of deep faith. Do you maintain we are a Catholic country or a Christian Country? What about the synagogue? Should it be dismantled or turned I to a convent for no existent nuns? Or are you proposing we become an 'anything but Muslim' country?

WinnyThePoo · 13-07-2017 01:05PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The problem is that Irish people are native to Ireland, Islam is not.

#whitegenocide

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:07PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Catholicism is on the decline, Islam is not. Catholicism isn't killing children and gearing itself up for religious war, Islam is.

You see how your whataboutery is essentially irrelevant?

hahaha

That is paranoid in the extreme. Islam, the whole of fcuking islam, is gearing up for a war?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-07-2017 01:07PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Well that is because it is. You don't see Hindus blowing up children in Manchester, or Orthodox Christians radicalising themselves in preparation for religious conflict.

We saw many so called Roman Catholics blow up innocents here and in Manchester.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 01:08PM

Grayson wrote: »

hahaha

That is paranoid in the extreme. Islam, the whole of fcuking islam, is gearing up for a war?

A very significant portion of it is, aye. Or have you not been watching the news for the last couple of years?

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:09PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The problem is that Irish people are native to Ireland, Islam is not.

What are you talking about? Irish people are a mixture of english, norman, scots and spanish with loads others. Christianity isn't native to here either.

Also, people are religion are different. You might as well say that the red squirrel is native to here, socialism isn't. It's a sentence that literally makes no sense.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-07-2017 01:10PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The problem is that Irish people are native to Ireland, Islam is not.

Grand so. We'll chuck out the Christians too and get the Druids back, as the native religion.

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:11PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

A very significant portion of it is, aye. Or have you not been watching the news for the last couple of years?

Yeah, the west has been bombing the crap out of the middle east. Thanks to two invasions of Iraq literally millions have died.

sbsquarepants · 13-07-2017 01:11PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The fact we're not an Islamic country?

Meh,

Being a catholic country didn't work out too great did it.

We should have a go at just being a country and leave the imaginary friends out of it altogether?

Lux23 · 13-07-2017 01:12PM

I have no problem with this, sure isn't there mosques that used to be synagogues?

ScumLord · 13-07-2017 01:12PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The problem is that Irish people are native to Ireland, Islam is not.

People aren't native to Ireland, and we've been far more destructive to this island than any ideal that came with us. Other things that come from the same part of the world as Islam are Christianity, cattle, sheep, wheat, farming in general, numbers, towns and cities. Islanders like us can't cut ourselves off from the rest of the world or we'd still be running around fields (well forest but they're all gone now) throwing stones at animals.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 01:12PM

Roger Orange Skull wrote: »

We're not supposed to be an any religion country. We are a secular republic. And I am a practicing catholic of deep faith. Do you maintain we are a Catholic country or a Christian Country? What about the synagogue? Should it be dismantled or turned I to a convent for no existent nuns? Or are you proposing we become an 'anything but Muslim' country?

Well, we're not truly secular, the prologue of Bunreacht na hÉireann makes mention of our Catholic culture. So much so that the Supreme Court has interpreted legislation with due respect to the "Christian and democratic nature of the State". I'm not a practising Catholic, but to say we aren't a Catholic country is a bit of a misnomer. We don't have a State religion but we certainly do have a cultural one.

I'm proposing we don't make the mistake Germany, France, Sweden, Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, and Denmark made by allowing mosques to flourish within our territory.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 01:13PM

Grayson wrote: »

Yeah, the west has been bombing the crap out of the middle east. Thanks to two invasions of Iraq literally millions have died.

I don't remember little girls in a Manchester concert being instrumental in Operation Desert Storm.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 01:18PM

AnGaelach wrote:

A very significant portion of it is, aye. Or have you not been watching the news for the last couple of years?

Over a billion Muslims, can you provide figures as to what significant portion you're referring too?

ScumLord · 13-07-2017 01:20PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

I don't remember little girls in a Manchester concert being instrumental in Operation Desert Storm.

Operation desert storm bombed villages and wiped out entire families. The west promotes the idea that we live in a democracy and the people are in charge. If the western powers are going to blanket bomb an entire region killing indiscriminately then they can't really cry foul when the enemy makes a counter attack that also kills civilians, the people supposedly in charge of the country. When they kill western soldiers it doesn't even get our attention, it's not really surprising they've cut out the middleman and attacked civilians directly, we're the ones that have the power to affect change. The ordinary citizens of a country with an active military don't get a free pass, they can't send their goons in and then act surprised when they end up under fire too.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 01:20PM

AnGaelach wrote:

Well, we're not truly secular, the prologue of Bunreacht na hÃ‰ireann makes mention of our Catholic culture. So much so that the Supreme Court has interpreted legislation with due respect to the "Christian and democratic nature of the State". I'm not a practising Catholic, but to say we aren't a Catholic country is a bit of a misnomer. We don't have a State religion but we certainly do have a cultural one.

A constitution wrote in the 30's by a bunch of religious influenced individuals with an eye to Rome. Times change, God and all references to invisible sky fairies should be removed from it.

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:26PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

I don't remember little girls in a Manchester concert being instrumental in Operation Desert Storm.

What was it you said about whatabouttery?

Mrs OBumble · 13-07-2017 01:27PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Catholicism is on the decline

Have you got a source for that? It's true in Ireland based on census figures - but internationally it's not AFAIK.

By the OP's logic, no Catholic churches should ever have been built in America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Would that have been OK?

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:28PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Operation desert storm bombed villages and wiped out entire families. The west promotes the idea that we live in a democracy and the people are in charge. If the western powers are going to blanket bomb an entire region killing indiscriminately then they can't really cry foul when the enemy makes a counter attack that also kills civilians, the people supposedly in charge of the country. When they kill western soldiers it doesn't even get our attention, it's not really surprising they've cut out the middleman and attacked civilians directly, we're the ones that have the power to affect change. The ordinary citizens of a country with an active military don't get a free pass, they can't send their goons in and then act surprised when they end up under fire too.

A quarter of a million children died as a result of the sanctions alone. Yet apparently islam is gearing up for a war with the west.

Newsflash: There was a war and the west massacred them.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 01:36PM

That man seems like bad news. He keeps popping up and it's never in a good light.

I find the use of a Christian place of worship inappropriate but have no problem with another building being used as a mosque, provided the Irish state isn't funding it.

Have old Mosques ever been appropriated for churches? I'd find that equally inapproproate tbh, but have not ever heard of it happening.

kylith · 13-07-2017 01:36PM

One god, another god, what's the difference (especially when it comes to Christianity and Islam where it's just the same god in a different hat)

Mr. teddywinkles · 13-07-2017 01:43PM

Here comes the Snowball and its getting bigger. Look out!

wanderer100 · 13-07-2017 01:44PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

Where do you think radicalisation has occurred? We've already had an Islamic cleric tell us there's rampant radicalisation going on in the Mosque in Clonskeagh.

Or is he a filthy Islamaphobe?

Oh if an Islamic cleric has said that he must be right. Ffs I've been to that mosque a billion times and I can gaurantee there is no 'rampant radicalisation' going on there.

I think we all know who is the islamaphobe here

Grayson · 13-07-2017 01:47PM

Widdershins wrote: »

That man seems like bad news. He keeps popping up and it's never in a good light.

I find the use of a Christian place of worship inappropriate but have no problem with another building being used as a mosque, provided the Irish state isn't funding it.

Have old Mosques ever been appropriated for churches? I'd find that equally inapproproate tbh, but have not ever heard of it happening.

Loads of them all over spain. And some were churches, then mosques then churches again.

It's not unusual. A place of worship is generally a central place in a community so it's normally repurposed in a similar role.

Edit to add:The bloke does seem irritating.

wanderer100 · 13-07-2017 01:50PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

A very significant portion of it is, aye. Or have you not been watching the news for the last couple of years?

If your source for all this Islamphobic bs you're spitting out is the news/media, then that says it all. There's radicalisation in every religion but people need to understand that they're a minority. The actions of those cowards in the recent uk terrorist attacks don't represent Islam or Muslim people whatsoever. I recommend you turn off CNN and actually try to talk to more Muslims or visit a mosque.

Widdershins · 13-07-2017 01:50PM

Grayson wrote: »

Loads of them all over spain. And some were churches, then mosques then churches again.

It's not unusual. A place of worship is generally a central place in a community so it's normally repurposed in a similar role.

In this century, I should have said.

For community uses yes, I can see that, not so much for other religions.

conorhal · 13-07-2017 01:51PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Operation desert storm bombed villages and wiped out entire families. The west promotes the idea that we live in a democracy and the people are in charge. If the western powers are going to blanket bomb an entire region killing indiscriminately then they can't really cry foul when the enemy makes a counter attack that also kills civilians, the people supposedly in charge of the country. When they kill western soldiers it doesn't even get our attention, it's not really surprising they've cut out the middleman and attacked civilians directly, we're the ones that have the power to affect change. The ordinary citizens of a country with an active military don't get a free pass, they can't send their goons in and then act surprised when they end up under fire too.

Well maybe the moral of the story is don't give refuge to people you bomb then, what the west is doing is akin to bombing the Nazi's in Germany and then taking tens of thousands of German citizens who were members of the Nazi party as refugees. It wouldn't seem like a very good idea given the obvious consequences now would it?

suicide_circus · 13-07-2017 01:51PM

It's a free country.

So you have to allow people to engage in belief systems and practices whose goal it is to restrict freedom.

The freedom to not be free.

Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

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