HGV Versus Cyclist Road Rage

ThisRegard · 13-07-2017 11:00AM

This was discussed a few weeks ago.

I wouldn't agree with the words "road rage" in the title, as it infers a certain thing. Cyclists were pretty dumb in my opinion to do what they did, and the reaction by the driver was imo justifiable at that particular time.

There's the argument to be made by some that the truck driver accelerated hard and purposely to put them into that position, but the cyclists should have hung back until past the squeeze point.

Lemming · 13-07-2017 11:01AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Rubbish. I have driven HGVs, if he was looking he would have seen the camera biker. He hit the gas to cut off the cyclists he could see or he is incompetent. The cyclists are in the wrong, no doubt, that does not mean the driver was in the right. Thinking it does shows a lack of common sense or empathy. Neither of which are acceptable when in charge of a vehicle of that power and size.

My cousin mentioned something that I had not considered (and I doubt many others may half either) - he drives HGVs and bigger, think stuff like crane trucks, etc. What looks like the driver piling on the accelerator may actually be an automatic gearbox which would see a lull followed by increasing speed.

CramCycle · 13-07-2017 11:19AM

Lemming wrote: »

My cousin mentioned something that I had not considered (and I doubt many others may half either) - he drives HGVs and bigger, think stuff like crane trucks, etc. What looks like the driver piling on the accelerator may actually be an automatic gearbox which would see a lull followed by increasing speed.

You are 100% right and I think I changed my mind when I rewatched the video, it looked like a normal gear change. It might not even be an automatic, often you see from take off the first one or two shifts can be quite clunky. Particularly depending on the weight and whether the driver has recently loaded/unloaded.

ancuncha · 13-07-2017 11:22AM

Cyclists clearly wrong here

they pulled into the turn left lane and went straight, no question.
if they wanted to go straight on, they should have stopped behind the truck, in the straight lane

If a car did this, they would have been clearly wrong, cyclist must use the same rules of the road as everyone else
(plus they are very vulnerable on the road and should be extra careful because of the bad drivers, not drivers fault here though!)

beauf · 13-07-2017 11:30AM

Its impossible to prove what the HGV intention was. Its seem unlikely he was oblivious to likelihood of cyclists undertaking him. Neither option is ideal.

07Lapierre · 13-07-2017 11:34AM

ancuncha wrote: »

Cyclists clearly wrong here

they pulled into the turn left lane and went straight, no question.
if they wanted to go straight on, they should have stopped behind the truck, in the straight lane

If a car did this, they would have been clearly wrong, cyclist must use the same rules of the road as everyone else
(plus they are very vulnerable on the road and should be extra careful because of the bad drivers. The driver of the HGV has a duty of care to ensure he does not injure or kill any human being regardless of who's right or wrong! not drivers fault here though!)

FYP

gctest50 · 13-07-2017 11:48AM

maximoose wrote: »

......... then wonder why there's horns blaring from the buses they cut off.........

A few of them are a bit special and think they are in the Tour de France, like this superstar :

or this misfortune, you'd feel sorry for his parents :

13-07-2017 11:55AM

gctest50 wrote: »

A few of them are a bit special and think they are in the Tour de France, like this superstar :

Thats a mature Chris Froome looking at his stem the whole bike ride

Actually saw a girl do something similar on O'Connell St a few years ago only into the back of a bus stopped in traffic , had to be stretchered away. This guy didn't seem to fare too badly.

EDIT: Just saw the second video, he was fierce lucky there could have been a lot worse had that bus come into play. And first thing the driver says is to ask if he's ok.

Fian · 13-07-2017 12:02PM

gctest50 wrote: »

A few of them are a bit special and think they are in the Tour de France, like this superstar :

or this misfortune, you'd feel sorry for his parents :

You seem to take a disturbing degree of pleasure in sneering at these accidents.

iwillhtfu · 13-07-2017 12:05PM

I'm surprised at Cramcycle defending these cyclists to be honest.

Personally I don't see any defence for the cyclists that decided to cycle up the inside of a HGV entering a pinch point. If anything they're assholes and one of the major reasons for the cyclist v motorist debate.

At no point were they going to end up anywhere other than in the blind spot of an articulated lorry and regardless of right or wrong that is one place you don't want to be.

As for the driver being a muppet he was right on the money as far as I'm concerned if these gob****es don't realise their own frailty then having it pointed it out to them now and again will hopefully hammer it home.

As for the driver allowing time for for additional cyclists on his left to advance as has already been pointed out bar the ones to the front of the cab (which is also a blind spot to the driver) they were all in a left turning lane and there was no ASL.

All in all a lucky escape and no one to blame but himself and luckily no one has to explain his stupidity to his family.

califano · 13-07-2017 12:06PM

It was 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other.

iwillhtfu · 13-07-2017 12:08PM

Lemming wrote: »

My cousin mentioned something that I had not considered (and I doubt many others may half either) - he drives HGVs and bigger, think stuff like crane trucks, etc. What looks like the driver piling on the accelerator may actually be an automatic gearbox which would see a lull followed by increasing speed.

It's not uncommon for a driver to miss gears particularly in a split box this creates a lull then a surge when he finds a gear. Watch any truck leaving the lights they all have a similar outset sudden surge-lull-surge

gctest50 · 13-07-2017 12:09PM

Fian wrote: »

You seem to take a disturbing degree of pleasure in sneering at these accidents.

Those ones above are not "accidents"

- they're pushing the limits, - too fast, too furious

CramCycle · 13-07-2017 12:11PM

CramCycle wrote: »

This on the other hand is not an excuse, every cyclist in that lane after the truck arrived was in the wrong. Right or wrong, your priority on the road must always be yourself. The driver was a muppet but he had a point. You will end up dead.

CramCycle wrote: »

The cyclists are in the wrong, no doubt,

CramCycle wrote: »

..... there were muppets there.

CramCycle wrote: »

The cyclists were muppets, all of them.

CramCycle wrote: »

Very selective, bar the OP, everyone else would appear to have called the cyclists muppets, although I think sheeple is probably more accurate.

CramCycle wrote: »

Every cyclist in that video was in the wrong, most probably due to being sheep or just because they see others do it every day and think, ah shure, that's grand.

CramCycle wrote: »

Everyone here seems to agree that the cyclists were in the wrong. ......
The position of the cyclists is bred from poor road craft practices that are bet into people from a young age.
.......
All of the cyclists were wrong,
........
100% on the cyclist applying the brake, never should have been there in the first place, just years of a large number of the population telling him that is the right place to be. Being a sheep, he doesn't realise the issue when the vehicle is a HGV.

CramCycle wrote: »

Interestingly if the driver had not pulled right after colliding, there is a good chance the camera man would have been taken out of it as well. The guy who was hit was right and centre for a Darwin award. How could he not have noticed the cab to his left? But the camera man follows him as if he expects some quality footage.

CramCycle wrote: »

More surprised no one is criticising the camera mans cycling more.

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I'm surprised at Cramcycle defending these cyclists to be honest.

I don't think people read my posts :pac:

iwillhtfu · 13-07-2017 12:15PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I don't think people read my posts :pac:

Perhaps I should rephrase that.

Surprised you admonished the driver.

I fairness you did have a lot of posts I can't be reading them all that would allow me give a balanced and educated response

mrcheez · 13-07-2017 12:16PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I don't think people read my posts :pac:

where are these muppets you speak of???

Odyssey 2005 · 13-07-2017 12:31PM

Fian wrote: »

You seem to take a disturbing degree of pleasure in sneering at these accidents.

Guilty.

D3PO · 13-07-2017 12:54PM

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

The truck driver was completely in the wrong and wasn't even apologetic. His conduct was completely unacceptable and he will likely be fired from his job or at the very least, banned from driving for a good while anyway.
.

I totally disagree with this statement. The cyclist was in the trucks blindspot and went straight on in a lane for left turn only. It was pure stupidity by the cyclist(s)

The first thing you do as a cyclist is protect yourself. You dont ever try and undertake a truck at lights from the wrong lane your just asking for trouble. I value my life and you only get one of them. If that was me on my bike Id be sitting behind the truck waiting for it to pull off, getting to my destination 10 seconds faster isn't worth risking my life over.

gctest50 · 13-07-2017 01:00PM

Fian wrote: »

You seem to take a disturbing degree of pleasure in sneering at these accidents.

These ones ?

or these where the other item is moving ? :

Roadhawk · 13-07-2017 01:11PM

gctest50 wrote: »

These ones ? ...or these where the other item is moving ? :

If only he saw the red light bwah hahahaha

07Lapierre · 13-07-2017 01:20PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

If only he saw the red light bwah hahahaha

Now imagine each cyclist was driving a car (or HGV)

gctest50 · 13-07-2017 01:24PM

For their own safety, they need to be a lot more chilled out, like this woman :

( but some of the misfortunes are probably grumpy because they've erectile dysfunction from all the bad roads )

Odyssey 2005 · 13-07-2017 01:37PM

Wonder who pays for any damage to the three cars in those videos and the parking barrier !?
Cyclists were 100% in the wrong in all 4 cases.

07Lapierre · 13-07-2017 01:38PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Wonder who pays for any damage to the three cars in those videos and the parking barrier !?
Cyclists were 100% in the wrong in all 4 cases.

Eh the cyclists pay. Who else?

CramCycle · 13-07-2017 01:39PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Wonder who pays for any damage to the three cars in those videos and the parking barrier !?
Cyclists were 100% in the wrong in all 4 cases.

The cyclist

Odyssey 2005 · 13-07-2017 01:40PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Eh the cyclists pay. Who else?

And if he tells the motorist to Harvey Smith ?. Grounds there to make insurance mandatory I'd say.

Fian · 13-07-2017 01:44PM

To the posters reveling in sneering above:

If you don't realise how revealing that is of you, your personality and your personal success in life I see no reason to bother enlightening you.

You might at least try to find something more important to get irrationally excited about. Still I suppose we should let you get your solitary pleasures where you can, it is not as if it harms anyone else I suppose. Reminds me of another solitary activity in that way actually.

CramCycle · 13-07-2017 01:47PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

And if he tells the motorist to Harvey Smith ?. Grounds there to make insurance mandatory I'd say.

MOD VOICE: Discussed to death elsewhere. I fear you don't understand why motor insurance is mandatory, and also the huge issues with your suggestion for multiple reasons. No more discussion in thread about insurance. The next person to do so can take a holiday from the thread.

GreeBo · 13-07-2017 01:53PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Did you read my post at all? He could have easily merged to the right to make space and just continued. The road merges into a single lane after the junction which is far wider.

Yes I did.
You said that he should have known there were more bikes and implied that he shouldn't have proceeded. That he made an assumption there were no bikes.
You also said that legally he was on dodgy legal grounds.

Hence my question, how long should he wait for the rest of the bikes to pass him illegally?
Any chance you could answer it rather than deflect?

You believe he should wait for them all to pass....
How long should he wait?
Where should he wait?
What about all the traffic behind him?

If he is only allowed to progress when he is 100% sure that there are no bikes illegally moving through his various blind spots, how do you expect him to make progress?

As for expecting him to merge to his right all while being buzzed by illegal cyclists...would you like him to do some juggling also?

07Lapierre · 13-07-2017 02:18PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Y

If he is only allowed to progress when he is 100% sure that there are no bikes illegally moving through his various blind spots, how do you expect him to make progress?

With due care and attention. As opposed to knowingly proceeding forward knowing that there is a very good chance that there is a stupid human being on a bike that may end up under the wheels of his truck! IMO he made no attempt to avoid hitting the cyclist.

HGV Versus Cyclist Road Rage

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