Begrudgery

realdanbreen · 12-07-2017 12:52PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

I was home for two weeks and really enjoyed my stay, the atmosphere in Ireland is great, the streets were busy and there was a great vibe...

But then I went to an event and came down to earth with a bump... Silly Irish begrudgery is still alive and well... First I had to hear about D4's and what arseholes they are... The comments were pointed directly at me, because even though I'm not a D4 & would never be accepted in their social circles, I do have a southside accent... The guy in question was telling us how he had ridiculed a couple on their honeymoon on the Aran Islands, because they were using a drone to take photos of the occasion, but didn't have an advanced knowledge of video editing software... Somehow he managed to make them sound like the arseholes, but it was clear who was actually being a dick...

With the same group, I also had to hear how anyone with a beard was a hipster & all hipsters were dickheads... later in the same day I had to listen to the same people describe how they enjoy their craft beers and make firepits from recycled car wheels (but they are obviously not hipsters)...

To be honest, I'm not really concerned with the individual arguments, but it just highlighted to me that there's an awful lot of begrudgery in Ireland and the place is very tribal. I don't really want to have to come home to that, it kind of upsets me that we're still so small minded...

It's laughable the way that dubs make such a big deal about the difference between northside and southside. Dublin is a pretty insignifican place as cities go and would just about be a borough or district in a real meaningful city. Apart from the zoo and maybe Guinnnesses there is nothing of any significance to see and 2 days max would cover everything there is to see.

JupiterKid · 12-07-2017 01:21PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's laughable the way that dubs make such a big deal about the difference between northside and southside. Dublin is a pretty insignifican place as cities go and would just about be a borough or district in a real meaningful city. Apart from the zoo and maybe Guinnnesses there is nothing of any significance to see and 2 days max would cover everything there is to see.

Sure, Dublin is not a big city by global standards but it's a behemoth in Ireland. As for things to see, only the zoo and Guinness? really? What about Dublin Castle, National Museum, National Gallery, Chester Beatty Library, Botanic Gardens, Marino Casino, Malahide Castle, etc?

Bluefoam · 12-07-2017 01:25PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's laughable the way that dubs make such a big deal about the difference between northside and southside. Dublin is a pretty insignifican place as cities go and would just about be a borough or district in a real meaningful city. Apart from the zoo and maybe Guinnnesses there is nothing of any significance to see and 2 days max would cover everything there is to see.

Wow... to say that Dublin is insignificant comes across to me as a bitter statement. By any measure, Dublin is a significant city on the world stage!

Aglomerado · 12-07-2017 01:26PM

OSI wrote: »

That's the kind of small minded bull**** begrudgery still prevalent in Ireland.

That's appalling behaviour OSI.

Years ago when people used to pay water charges to the local council, they were entered into a prize draw. The top prize was a spanking new car. (A ford fiesta). One year one of my relations won it. She was in her 80s and couldn't drive. So as it happened one of her granddaughters was getting married so it made a fantastic wedding present for her and her husband. Lucky them!

...cue a lot of the neighbours whinging that it "boiled their blood" that there was a brand new car outside that family's house. Why, FFS? They got it fair and square!

jester77 · 12-07-2017 01:36PM

It's a pretty brutal trait of the Irish. I haven't lived in Ireland in over 15 years and I still find it strange that people are genuinely happy for me when I am successful. It shouldn't be like that.

Wanderer78 · 12-07-2017 01:37PM

jester77 wrote: »

It's a pretty brutal trait of the Irish. I haven't lived in Ireland in over 15 years and I still find it strange that people are genuinely happy for me when I am successful. It shouldn't be like that.

we hate you!(happy???):D

realdanbreen · 12-07-2017 01:49PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Sure, Dublin is not a big city by global standards but it's a behemoth in Ireland. As for things to see, only the zoo and Guinness? really? What about Dublin Castle, National Museum, National Gallery, Chester Beatty Library, Botanic Gardens, Marino Casino, Malahide Castle, etc?

National Gallery?, Chester Beatty library?
You're kidding right. 90% of people who visit the national Gallery do so to punch in time or out of boredom because theres nothing much to see in Dublin. Like I say 2 days max in Dublin and you end up bumping into someone you know.

realdanbreen · 12-07-2017 01:51PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Wow... to say that Dublin is insignificant comes across to me as a bitter statement. By any measure, Dublin is a significant city on the world stage!

How can it be a bitter statement?Not only is Dublin not significant on the world stage but Ireland is not significant on the world stage.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 12-07-2017 01:59PM

Begrdgery is just a human characteristic that exists all across the world and not just in Ireland.As Gore Vidal said "Everytime a friend suceeds a little something in me dies".

I really wish people would get over themselves about Ireland and realise that not everything bad someone does/happens in Ireland is because this is Ireland.

Dr Crayfish · 12-07-2017 02:22PM

jester77 wrote: »

It's a pretty brutal trait of the Irish. I haven't lived in Ireland in over 15 years and I still find it strange that people are genuinely happy for me when I am successful. It shouldn't be like that.

Are you saying you know people who are unhappy that you've done well? What kind of people are you all hanging around with?

meeeeh · 12-07-2017 02:28PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

National Gallery?, Chester Beatty library?
You're kidding right. 90% of people who visit the national Gallery do so to punch in time or out of boredom because theres nothing much to see in Dublin. Like I say 2 days max in Dublin and you end up bumping into someone you know.

Oh great, lets start another Dublin vs Country debate. Who cares if it has nothing to do with the thread.

Anyway there might be some begrudgery but it might be something small nations, especially those emerging from poverty, are more prone to. I came across it outside Ireland too. I really don't think examples in op are overly bad and I am not sure they are begrudgery anyway. I think people often put others down to minimize their own failings. I don't like to hang around those who have nothing good to say about others anyway. I don't mind an odd complaint because sometimes they are justified but constant negativity is just draining. Luckily there are plenty of people who are not like that.

realdanbreen · 12-07-2017 02:39PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh great, lets start another Dublin vs Country debate. Who cares if it has nothing to do with the thread. .

Dublin v Country? where are you getting that from? Just because dubs ( whether north or south side) need to get over themselves has nothing to do with the rest of the country.

Permabear · 12-07-2017 02:40PM

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kunst nugget · 12-07-2017 02:41PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Dublin v Country? where are you getting that from? Just because dubs ( whether north or south side) need to get over themselves has nothing to do with the rest of the country.

I think you need to get over yourself, tbh… and I'm saying that as a culchie.

realdanbreen · 12-07-2017 02:46PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think you need to get over yourself, tbh… and I'm saying that as a culchie.

What part of Clare are you from?

kunst nugget · 12-07-2017 02:49PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

What part of Clare are you from?

I'm not. I'm from the part of the midlands where they surgically remove the ability to say the letter 'T' when you're born.

meeeeh · 12-07-2017 02:51PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm not. I'm from the part of the midlands where they surgically remove the ability to say the letter 'T' when you're born.

The trouble we had to get our son to say water instead of waher.

Glenster · 12-07-2017 02:53PM

None of those examples are begrudgery.

1st one sounds like a tech head who hates everyone who cant use the systems he can use.

2nd one is the internationally recognised "I like cool things but everyone else who likes cool things is a poser and a hipster" conversation that is being had at this moment on all points around the globe.

I personally like a bit of standard begrudgery;
speculating how much of someone's deposit came as a gift from their parents;
asserting that someone is successful because they came into a job at the right time;
debating whether or not someone can really afford to be driving that car, who are they trying to impress?

I like it.

freshpopcorn · 12-07-2017 02:57PM

I find lots of people like winding people up about their success. They know a comment will really get under their skin. The same people wouldn't make the same comment to others. The main reason I find tough people make these comments is. Somebody lands home for Christmas/weddings from their brilliant/job and lifestyle and how they've it so much better than the people at home. They almost expect to be treated like royalty. When in fact if they were a bit more modest nobody would bother trying to annoy them!

kunst nugget · 12-07-2017 03:06PM

meeeeh wrote: »

The trouble we had to get our son to say water instead of waher.

You should hear me say 'Utterly Butterly' The very definition of a terrible beauty.

Pure tashte · 12-07-2017 03:08PM

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What ever about the other two, the criticism thrown at DOB does not in any way highlight Ireland's begrudgery, as the scope for criticism is extraordinary.

Collie D · 12-07-2017 03:13PM

Whenever the "begrudgery of the Irish" comes up Bono is always mentioned.

But if begrudgery is the reason people dislike him surely the other three members of U2 would also get it.

Don't often hear people slagging off The Edge.

Collie D · 12-07-2017 03:17PM

Not even sure where the begrudgery in the opening post is. The drone story just sounds like some IT gimp who thinks anyone else without his tech skills is an idiot.

And the second story...seriously?! What are they begrudging? Beards?

freshpopcorn · 12-07-2017 03:21PM

Collie D wrote: »

Not even sure where the begrudgery in the opening post is. The drone story just sounds like some IT gimp who thinks anyone else without his tech skills is an idiot.

And the second story...seriously?! What are they begrudging? Beards?

To me it sounds like the people the OP met were generalising certain groups of people more than begrudging!

Dr Crayfish · 12-07-2017 03:39PM

Collie D wrote: »

Don't often hear people slagging off The Edge.

A man pushing 60 who calls himself the Edge. Nothing needs to be said really.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 12-07-2017 04:12PM

Permabear wrote: »

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People in the USA go too far the other way.They totally overdo worshipping of the rich.

osarusan · 12-07-2017 04:33PM

Plenty of people in Ireland are keen to pretend that legitimate criticism is merely begrudgery, and plenty of other people are keen to pretend that what is merely begrudgery is actually legitimate criticism.

valoren · 12-07-2017 04:34PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

A man pushing 60 who calls himself the Edge. Nothing needs to be said really.

In fairness, now that he's made some sound investments with an enviable portfolio, he prefers to be referred to as The Hedge.

valoren · 12-07-2017 04:37PM

The classic example of Irish begrudgery is two GAA fans where the county makes it to the All Ireland final.
Tickets are scarce but one of the two manages to wrangle themselves a ticket.
After learning this the other fan exclaims "Bastard, hope they feckin' lose (the match) now!"

That's happened.

hank scorpio89 · 12-07-2017 04:39PM

We definitly a begrudging country.I actually seen a fella driving a open top car in the sun a few weeks back blaring music and I literally thought t o 's 's e r

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