So it's the 12th of July tomorrow. Will the North ever not be sectarian?

glaswegian · 11-07-2017 07:52PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I wonder if the catholics could reschedule their Halloween to the 12th it could help unify the situation. The only problem might be the solo protestant Halloween in October which could spill over into triumphalism and tribal bigotry. But one problem at a time.

Halloween is also a sectarian anti catholic celebration, many english bonfires have an effigy of the pope on the top.

Mrs OBumble · 11-07-2017 07:56PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In any other country in the civilised world would the police and state authorities stand by and facilitate bonfires right beside houses erected over days.

In most countries which celebrate Guy Fawkes, the police and council have facilitated city / town bonfires and events and encouraged people to attend these instead of having private ones.

steddyeddy · 11-07-2017 07:59PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

In most countries which celebrate Guy Fawkes, the police and council have facilitated city / town bonfires and events and encouraged people to attend these instead of having private ones.

It's not the bonfires as much as the bigotry.

Yourself isit · 11-07-2017 08:00PM

glaswegian wrote: »

Halloween is also a sectarian anti catholic celebration, many english bonfires have an effigy of the pope on the top.

No - that's november 5th

Yourself isit · 11-07-2017 08:02PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

In most countries which celebrate Guy Fawkes, the police and council have facilitated city / town bonfires and events and encouraged people to attend these instead of having private ones.

How many countries celebrate guy Fawkes besides the obvious?

tigger123 · 11-07-2017 08:12PM

If I was a UK citizen I'd be pretty f*ckin pissed off at the Tory's chucking a billion pound bribe at the DUP to keep themselves in power.

Was in Belfast last year for a bit. Weird vibe in the place, feels like part of it is moving on though. A lot of racist taxi drivers too.

steddyeddy · 11-07-2017 08:22PM

tigger123 wrote: »

If I was a UK citizen I'd be pretty f*ckin pissed off at the Tory's chucking a billion pound bribe at the DUP to keep themselves in power.

Was in Belfast last year for a bit. Weird vibe in the place, feels like part of it is moving on though. A lot of racist taxi drivers too.

They are angry. The first thing the DUP helped to vote against is an end to public service pay increase. In other words no wage increases to the NHS, fire service or police, but 1 Billion in exchange for votes from the DUP.

11-07-2017 08:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

As was the KKK. The word culture isn't a safe word you can use to excuse any activity you engage in.

What about religion? Works for Muslims.

snowflaker · 11-07-2017 08:24PM

Will the bonfire guys get an RHI grant from Arlene?

Jayop · 11-07-2017 08:30PM

snowflaker wrote: »

Will the bonfire guys get an RHI grant from Arlene?

A lot of them get funding already for their "community bonfires".

snowflaker · 11-07-2017 08:38PM

Jayop wrote: »

A lot of them get funding already for their "community bonfires".

a billion quid, up in smoke!

andekwarhola · 11-07-2017 08:45PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

And they all vote for the DUP because they just hate gays, women's rights and the concept that the earth is round that much?

This idea that most people in NI aren't really sectarian any more falls down every election when SF and DUP gain support over the more moderate parties.

Fair point but saying 'all' is stretching it. The SF and DUP got roughly half the seats in, IIRC, about a 60% electoral turnout in a state where there is very little political choice along non-'polar' lines.

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-07-2017 08:59PM

emo72 wrote: »

they build them on loyalist estates. are they damaging their own houses?

Vic_08 · 11-07-2017 09:09PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Fair point but saying 'all' is stretching it. The SF and DUP got roughly half the seats in, IIRC, about a 60% electoral turnout in a state where there is very little political choice along non-'polar' lines.

No they didn't, they got roughly half the seats EACH. Only 1 seat went to anyone but DUP or SF. The more moderate SDLP and Alliance parties won nothing.

If you break it down to individual areas it is far more sectarian in Unionist areas than Nationalist ones.

SF and SDLP are in contention for most Nationalist seats with the voting split closer than 60/40

In most Unionist areas the vote goes overwhelmingly to DUP and other openly sectarian and paramilitary connected parties with only a small % to middle ground parties.

NI is still very sectarian and IMO the rabid Unionists are far worse and far more numerous than their Nationalist counterparts.

LordSutch · 11-07-2017 09:13PM

Currently the two extremes are the largest parties up North, one party 'SF' fervently Irish Republican, and the other party the 'DUP' which is fervently British/Unionist. Neither side wants any dilution of their culture or traditions ...

Tomorrow is the 12th of July, and one side (will do their thing) which admittedly does look a bit strange & dated in the 21st century, bit as I say, neither side wants to abandon or "give in" to the other side, hence the traditional marching/bonfires continue.

That's my take on things anyway.

And to answer the sectarian question; Yes, hopefully some day sectarianism will disappear from NI.

andekwarhola · 11-07-2017 09:18PM

Vic_08 wrote: »

No they didn't, they got roughly half the seats EACH.

Oops, I meant to say votes

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-07-2017 09:22PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Currently the two extremes are the largest parties up North, one party 'SF' fervently Irish Republican, and the other party the 'DUP' which is fervently British/Unionist. Neither side wants any dilution of their culture or traditions ...

Tomorrow is the 12th of July, and one side (will do their thing) which admittedly does look a bit strange & dated in the 21st century, bit as I say, neither side wants to abandon or "give in" to the other side, hence the traditional marching/bonfires continue.

That's my take on things anyway.

And to answer the sectarian question; Yes, hopefully some day sectarianism will disappear from NI.

Sorry but what is comparable on the Republican/Nationalist side to the hate fest we are about to see?

LordSutch · 11-07-2017 09:30PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Sorry but what is comparable on the Republican/Nationalist side to the hate fest we are about to see?

I don't think there is one big event on the other side to match, is there?

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2017 09:32PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Currently the two extremes are the largest parties up North, one party 'SF' fervently Irish Republican, and the other party the 'DUP' which is fervently British/Unionist. Neither side wants any dilution of their culture or traditions ...

Tomorrow is the 12th of July, and one side (will do their thing) which admittedly does look a bit strange & dated in the 21st century, bit as I say, neither side wants to abandon or "give in" to the other side, hence the traditional marching/bonfires continue.

That's my take on things anyway.

And to answer the sectarian question; Yes, hopefully some day sectarianism will disappear from NI.

The people (like yourself) who try to insinuate that 'all' sides do this on a massive scale are part of the cancer.

Call it for what it is: bigoted, sectarian, state sponsored (because nothing is done year in and out about) hate.

Atoms for Peace · 11-07-2017 09:33PM

glaswegian wrote: »

Halloween is also a sectarian anti catholic celebration, many english bonfires have an effigy of the pope on the top.

That's Guy Fawkes night, remember, rember the 5th of November.

LordSutch · 11-07-2017 09:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The people (like yourself) who try to insinuate that 'all' sides do this on a massive scale are part of the cancer.

Call it for what it is: bigoted, sectarian, state sponsored (because nothing is done year in and out about) hate.

Cancer! Honestly.

If you must come out with that stuff then there's absolutely no point in me posting anything, so after only two posts I'm gone from this thread.

Bye.

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2017 09:37PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Cancer! Honestly.

After pnly two posts I'm gone from this thread.

Bye.

Bigoted sectarian hate is a cancer in any society.
I knew you couldn't handle the concept.

steddyeddy · 11-07-2017 09:41PM

It is a demonstrably fact that the nationalist side has done more to reach out to the other side than vice versa.

McMurphy · 11-07-2017 09:43PM

snowflaker wrote: »

Will the bonfire guys get an RHI grant from Arlene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJNe-AGCMQc

VonLuck · 11-07-2017 09:50PM

Dyr · 11-07-2017 09:53PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

False equivalence. Nationalists haven't created a summer-long celebrated culture around being anti-Protestant/Unionist/British.

TBH this is why loyalisms rabid hatred doesn't shock us, the media in the republic have desperately punted the "they're as bad as each other" line for as long as I've been around. It's only when loyalists direct their vitriol at gays, polish and such that your Irish Times reading punter becomes uncomfortable

Gringo180 · 11-07-2017 09:54PM

Did anybody see the big sign plastered on the side of one of there bonfires? It reads "Scott Sinclair loves bananas" in reference to the Celtic striker. My god these knuckle draggers really are a scum of the earth.

Jayop · 11-07-2017 09:57PM

Bambi wrote: »

TBH this is why loyalisms rabid hatred doesn't shock us, the media in the republic have desperately punted the "they're as bad as each other" line for as long as I've been around. It's only when loyalists direct their vitriol at gays, polish and such that your Irish Times reading punter becomes uncomfortable

Exactly. I had to have a chuckle at all the negatives posted about them in the British and Irish press at the time of the Tory deal.

DUP hate foreigners
DUP hate gays
DUP think dinosaurs walked the earth a few years ago
DUP think creationism should be taught in school

The one they forgot was that the DUP hate catholics. It's a biggie but hey we're used to it and we must be as bad because we're from up there.

enricoh · 11-07-2017 10:05PM

Anyone got a decent drone n we'll rig up a petrol bomb on it! P#ss em off rightly!

Oops69 · 11-07-2017 10:32PM

Teresa May or Leo should invite Kim -Jong-UN on a state visit and feel free to bring one of his new missiles for testing pointed you know where

So it's the 12th of July tomorrow. Will the North ever not be sectarian?

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