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The Carlton K Whinge Binge...dedicated thread **spoilers**

  • 10-07-2017 12:22am
    #1
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭


    Maybe to stop the race threads constantly being derailed we can post all our moaning about Carlton here..

    I find him annoying, but I tune it out or turn it down or switch off generally.


    Mods please close if this inappropriate
    edit, maybe also add spolier tags if its a post on race day


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh god you've gone and done it now haven't you. :D


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    My 2 cents, I don't like him and I find Smith and Kelly also work better and talk more of their own volition with Hatch. However given the format Eurosport have gone for in the tour the Giro coverage was vastly superior regardless of the commentators. ITV4 here are better too as they have better guests and respond to tweets rather than just thank people for them but the ****ing ads.


  • #4
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Bar the obvious biases, has anyone else noticed that he seems to have less awaremess of what is happening on the road than before? A couple of time recently he would be identifying riders incorrectly, or watching an attack go off the front and assuming it was in the chase group etc. Or a big name drops outnof the peoloton, but ck thinks its some nobody up the road. Its happening on every stage now, far more than previously., And hes often corrected by sean or whoever is alongside him


  • #5
    Mario Speedwagon
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Mario Speedwagon


    I don't have Eurosport, so I've been watching the stages on TG4 even though the only Irish words I know are from that Heineken advert a few years ago & "An Lar" from the bus into town.

    I generally like Carlton, though. He's enthusiastic & does a tough job balancing the needs of cycling fans & the people who only watch a few days each year.


  • #6
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    A snippet from yesterday...

    Kelly: and the rider, I've gone blank on his name, rides for Ag2r...
    Carlton: Fuglsang?

    :facepalm:


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  • #7
    Somedude9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭Somedude9


    Kelly then went on to call the aforementioned Ag2r rider Barguil not Bardet, who's team RMO! were based in Chambery. RMO haven't been see in a race since 1992 :pac:. Sometimes I think the great man is losing it & not performant ;)


  • #8
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yesterday I think he descended into the worst kind of BBC\ITV commentary from football 30 years ago...
    It's a World Cup game, star player of let's say The Netherlands suffers a horrific injury, his World Cup is over and with it his teams' hopes of glory...
    The Netherlands player happens to play for an English club.
    The commentary instead of focusing on how this will mean for the player or the team in the World Cup, instead considers what impact this will have on his English club's early season performances!

    Also, how hard is it to have a sheet printed and stuck on your desk with a list of all the riders and teams... and keep a running notepad updated in front of you of who is in the break?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #9
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    odyssey06 wrote: »

    Also, how hard is it to have a sheet printed and stuck on your desk with a list of all the riders and teams... and keep a running notepad updated in front of you of who is in the break?

    They do but when you have the guts of 200 riders im sure its hard to figure out some riders in a split second


  • #10
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He was the absolute pits yesterday.

    "Froome mustn't know Porte crashed or he wouldn't be riding at the front"

    "Froome will dedicate any win to Porte"

    And so on. Drivel, complete drivel.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #11
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    I watch the Tour on ITV4.
    I don't particularly like Millar, but he is a very good commentator.


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  • #12
    greenspurs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Brian? wrote: »
    He was the absolute pits yesterday.

    "Froome mustn't know Porte crashed or he wouldn't be riding at the front"

    "Froome will dedicate any win to Porte"

    And so on. Drivel, complete drivel.

    And i 'think' he missed Froome bouncing off Aru after Froome got back in to the group, but he did see Froome putting his hand out (an apology?) and said "froome motioning to Aru, that he will talk to him later "

    His commentary at the finish was class tho ... I thought he was gonna explode....
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  • #13
    greenspurs
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    [QUOTE=[/QUOTE]
    Eamonnator wrote: »
    I watch the Tour on ITV4.
    I don't particularly like Millar, but he is a very good commentator.

    I watch the highlights there every evening, and i agree about Millar...
    BUT THE ADS !!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused::eek::eek::eek::rolleyes:
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  • #14
    Somedude9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭Somedude9


    He did miss it and then made out that Froome's apparent apology was Froome having some sort of words with Aru about his attack.

    He also said that the pressure being piled on by Bardet on the descent led to the crash, which in a way it did do, except it was Froome who was pushing it and not Bardet, who was behind Porte at the time.

    His commentary was a mess in the final third of the race yesterday, talking out his arse. An utter gob****e, how he got the gig I'll never know.


  • #15
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Somedude9 wrote: »
    He did miss it and then made out that Froome's apparent apology was Froome having some sort of words with Aru about his attack.

    He also said that the pressure being piled on by Bardet on the descent led to the crash, which in a way it did so, except it was Froome who was pushing it and not Bardet, who was behind Porte.

    He's was commentary was a mess in the final third of the race yesterday, talking out his arse. An utter gob****e, how he got the gig I'll never know.

    I missed that. Froome was driving at the front when it happened alright.

    I feel sorry for the guy, but Richie Porte is the only one to blame for his crash. All he had to do was follow a wheel but he panicked and locked up his back wheel.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #16
    Seaswimmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    I thought this thread was about my commuter bike:(


  • #17
    1bryan
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    Brian? wrote: »
    He was the absolute pits yesterday.

    "Froome mustn't know Porte crashed or he wouldn't be riding at the front"

    "Froome will dedicate any win to Porte"

    And so on. Drivel, complete drivel.

    kept referring to Porte as Froome's close friend. Didn't Porte say after the Dauphine something to the effect of knowing who his friends are now? (ie: not froome).


  • #18
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    He's the best.

    But in fairness, he has a lot of airtime to fill, a lot of time there's absolutely nothing happening worth commenting on. I enjoy his meanderings and random observations, most people who whinge about him underestimate the difficulty of his job.


  • #19
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    @Mod, can there be a soilers within tag be added to the thread title?

    My own fault really but I managed to avoid all things tour related yesterday in order to watch the highlights at lunchtime but just read a big spoiler. If the thread is updated daily it's liable to have stage spoilers in it.


  • #20
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I've been away for a few weeks and was watching the Tour on French TV. Came back last night, turned on the recording of yesterday's stage and heard Rob Hatch's voice. Hallelujah, I thought. Gutted when Carlton later reappeared.

    It's one thing being that inept, but to be so unapologetic and unashamed about it is what gets me. That and laughing at his own jokes.

    It just goes to show that nobody senior in Eurosport cares enough about cycling to take any notice. Can you imagine a commentator for another sport being that ignorant about what they're working on and not only keeping their job, but being given all the plum gigs.


  • #21
    quozl
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    I find his pro-sky bias painful, his bloody eulogising of them, and his absolute ****e about Froome being unable to continue if he only knew after the Porte crash reached peak-Kirby annoying.

    I am finding him more annoying the more I listen to him, and I don't want to just mute the sound as sometimes there's important stuff in the commentary - information usually from someone other than Kirby.


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  • #22
    De Bhál
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    I like him. I like the meandering style, the errors, the honesty, the enthusiasm, the final kilometer commentary, french food and wine, french architecture and history, tour history, cringy nicknames etc...

    I do realise he could be sharper etc. and do shake my head at some of the bull he comes out with but feck it, I enjoy it for what it is.

    On the other hand I also like Magnus Bäckstedt. I think he's got good insight into peloton tactics etc.


  • #23
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    I watch the Tour on ITV4.
    I don't particularly like Millar, but he is a very good commentator.

    ITV 4 all the way. Knowledge commentators. No Freudians! Great highlight programme and good insights.

    If I miss it; Move satellite to 19.2E and catch German Eurosport - pictures.

    Who needs this Kirby guy! What was he before this gig anyway?


  • #24
    Djoucer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Djoucer


    I like him. From this thread alone, it seems people dislike him because he happens to like Froome.

    People said the same about Duffield. He's remembered now as a legend.

    Challenge anyone to speak for hours every single day during an event where nothing happens, and not say something silly or incorrect.

    The lads are commentating from a makeshift studio on the finish line, watching a screen that is arguably of a worst quality than tv viewers.

    They're also paying attention to race radio, tv producer, twitter etc. It's hardly surprising that they mistakenly identify a rider.

    Yesterday's race thread was hysterical with one poster arguing he was racist.


  • #25
    Chips Lovell
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    Djoucer wrote: »
    Challenge anyone to speak for hours every single day during an event where nothing happens, and not say something silly or incorrect.

    I think that point would stand if every commentator was as poor as Kirby, but they aren't.

    As for "Woodpile" Duffield, who remembers him as a legend exactly?

    I remember Duffiled once doing the Tirreno - Adriatico and calling a bunch sprint to someone who wasn't even in the race.


  • #26
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Everyone has their follies, look at Ligget and his fanaticism for Armstrong amongst other things. I don't think commentators, in any sport, get away without mistakes.

    Look at your own job. I've often given presentations and demos to groups of people in areas I'm considered an expert in, I know the stuff inside out. Once you get talking you realise you've said something dumb or stupid afterwards or upon reviewing the recordings.


  • #27
    andy69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭andy69


    If I hear the words: "his name means birdsong" one more fcukin time I'm gonna snap!!

    :)


  • #28
    Brian?
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    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    I think that point would stand if every commentator was as poor as Kirby, but they aren't.

    As for "Woodpile" Duffield, who remembers him as a legend exactly?

    I remember Duffiled once doing the Tirreno - Adriatico and calling a bunch sprint to someone who wasn't even in the race.

    Duffield was a legend for making mistakes and filling airtime with his inane chatter. Himself and Roche were great together. I don't remember him being blatantly biased towards Brits though.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #29
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    True, but he was around at a time when British riders weren't as prominent.

    The focus on British riders though is understandable since it is British Eurosport. If RTE were broadcasting it, they'd be all about the Irish lads.


  • #30
    1bryan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭1bryan


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    True, but he was around at a time when British riders weren't as prominent.

    The focus on British riders though is understandable since it is British Eurosport. If RTE were broadcasting it, they'd be all about the Irish lads.

    It's the same commentary on International Eurosport.


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  • #31
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    1bryan wrote: »
    It's the same commentary on International Eurosport.

    They have local commentary, unless you mean the English language commentary? Wouldn't make sense getting in an additional commentary team.


  • #32
    death1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭death1234567


    retalivity wrote: »
    he seems to have less awaremess of what is happening on the road than before?
    That would be impossible. He's always been completely useless, it's almost as if he's not seeing the same pictures as everyone else.


  • #33
    mcdonrob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭mcdonrob


    I can understand how some find his obscure musings annoying but I must say I like him, if only for the "what'll he say next"

    If are enjoying this thread then you'll probably like this...
    Who said it: Cycling commentator or Alan Partridge?


  • #34
    1bryan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭1bryan


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    They have local commentary, unless you mean the English language commentary? Wouldn't make sense getting in an additional commentary team.

    Local commentary is available where those countries have their own Eurosport (france, germany, holland, etc).

    International Eurosport is in English. The countries who have their own Eurosport will have their own commentary. But that's not 'International Eurosport'.


  • #35
    velo.2010
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    Simon Reed (brother of Oliver Reed) is head of commentator's at Eurosport. He is the guy to sound off to about Kirby. The problem is, if you've listened to him commentating on tennis or the Olympics for Eurosport and BBC, that he is an 'jolly old chap' himself. I'd say he is fond of Kirby and I doubt he'll remove him from that gig. Thankfully, it appears we'll get more of Hatch who is aware of the international audience and isn't so affected by what the Brits are doing in the race.

    I fear for Sean Kelly going forward. We're hearing more of Brian Smith, who sounds very professional and knows the in's and out's as a former DS, but is biased in his some of his opinions. I like listening to Hatch and Kelly together but I expect we'll get more of Kirby and Smith in the future.

    One thing I'd say about Kirby is that after a dodgy start taking over from Harmon, he improved and brought an enthusiasm to the commentary box we had not heard before. Sadly though, he has regressed and knows fewer riders these days and covers his lack of knowledge by creating his own narrative of how the race is going. Laughing at your own jokes is a big no-no, but as I said above, there is nobody who is going to remove him from the gig.


  • #36
    greenspurs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    velo.2010 wrote: »
    Simon Reed (brother of Oliver Reed) is head of commentator's at Eurosport. He is the guy to sound off to about Kirby.
    .
    Something new learned !

    Yes, i fear for KingKelly too, but i think he is the best analyser they have, Smith a close second....
    As for Flecha ?!? :eek: WTF like... understand 1 out of 3 words ...
    LeMond - with his stop/start truncated sentences, and he just doesnt look at ease , his mouth just cant/wont keep up with his brain...
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  • #37
    Sarz91
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    greenspurs wrote: »
    Something new learned !

    Yes, i fear for KingKelly too, but i think he is the best analyser they have, Smith a close second....
    As for Flecha ?!? :eek: WTF like... understand 1 out of 3 words ...
    LeMond - with his stop/start truncated sentences, and he just doesnt look at ease , his mouth just cant/wont keep up with his brain...

    Flecha speaks close to every language under the sun. I'd be inclined to give his English a pass to be honest. I enjoy his interviews with the riders as he's ridden with most of them. The interview with Uran yesterday was more akin to two mates talking which was nice.

    His analysis is also pretty much spot on with regards to course recon.


  • #38
    irishrover99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    I've been listening to Kirby for many years i honestly think he only became a bad cycling commentator from the growth of his ego and the success of British cycling.
    When he first started he used to be an analyst for David Duffield in the studio in Paris and done something similar to what that guy John (second name) is doing talking about wine although it was more to do with racing.

    I watch the Le mans 24h every year and again this year Kirby was great,very informative and not nearly as many witty remarks.


  • #39
    Malari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    We love him. I think he's hilarious, but could be just my sense of humour. I think he brings the fun side out of Jon Harris-Basse and Rob Hatch, and even dead-serious Brian Smith!

    I think he is pretty knowledgeable and, sure he gets it wrong from time to time but so what, so does everyone else. It's a thousand times better than boring Liggett, commenting on exactly what the riders are doing exactly as they are doing it, with almost no speculation, chat or amusing anecdotes.

    I watch him on Le Mans and the Dakar too, and think his commentary style is very enjoyable.


  • #40
    rtmie
    Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭✭rtmie


    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    Can you imagine a commentator for another sport being that ignorant about what they're working on and not only keeping their job, but being given all the plum gigs.
    George Hamilton?

    Drops mike! :-)


  • #41
    Sarz91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Sarz91


    rtmie wrote: »
    George Hamilton?

    Drops mike! :-)

    You can probably stick Jimmy Magee in there too for boxing and everything else he covered/covers.


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  • #42
    Lumen
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    Malari wrote: »
    It's a thousand times better than boring Liggett, commenting on exactly what the riders are doing exactly as they are doing it, with almost no speculation, chat or amusing anecdotes.

    From a previous Carlton whinge thread.
    martin.mcevoy wrote: »
    I dunno, I like him. He's no Phil Liggett but he does the job.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89321138&postcount=7

    edit: this particular comparison is a bit like arguing over which is the more talented Kardashian sister.


  • #43
    Malari
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    Lumen wrote: »
    From a previous Carlton whinge thread.



    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89321138&postcount=7

    edit: this particular comparison is a bit like arguing over which is the more talented Kardashian sister.

    I don't really understand this reference, but if you mean they are both the same, then I disagree. I think they have wildly different commentating styles.


  • #44
    CramCycle
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    mcdonrob wrote: »
    I can understand how some find his obscure musings annoying but I must say I like him, if only for the "what'll he say next"

    If are enjoying this thread then you'll probably like this...
    Who said it: Cycling commentator or Alan Partridge?
    9/14 and I am a Partridge fan.
    rtmie wrote: »
    George Hamilton?

    Drops mike! :-)
    George Hook?

    throws mike out window


  • #45
    Lumen
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    Depressing thought of the day: maybe Carlton is employed because of rather than in spite of his arse-kissing of Team Sky.

    https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/884140325345927168


  • #46
    Lusk_Doyle
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    Magnus Backsted is the best at technial and race craft analysis. Delivered in an interesting and absorbing manner and interspersed with his own experiences. Followed by Brian Smith. Hatch and or Quigley for the hot seat. Think I prefer Hatch and his exotic parlance.


  • #47
    TheBlaaMan
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    Richie Porte's wife is a fan of Kirby....... Not.!

    https://twitter.com/gemmanicoleb/status/884120796645470209


  • #48
    ThisRegard
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    Saw that yesterday, did she honestly think that he doesn't know his name? Did she actually watch any of the coverage where he was called Ritchie by Kirby over and over?

    Probably just an autocorrect in Kirby's tweet, and she's probably just venting on anyone after seeing Rickie have a bad crash.


  • #49
    Lusk_Doyle
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    We demand justice for Rickie Porte. Froome didn't even win the stage for him!


  • #50
    MediaMan
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    mcdonrob wrote: »
    If are enjoying this thread then you'll probably like this...
    Who said it: Cycling commentator or Alan Partridge?

    This is the only good thing about this thread!

    11/13 - yay!


  • #51
    kilburn
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    Was it David Duffield who used to say "he has blown a gasket"


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