What industry is dodgier than most people realize?

realdanbreen · 07-07-2017 04:06PM

TallGlass wrote: »

I'd say em lads that buy your old cloths are fairly dodge.

Someone buys your old clothes?

joebloggs32 · 07-07-2017 04:12PM

The fun fair industry, especially the lads working the dodgems/bumber cars!

07-07-2017 04:13PM

Adult stores and 'casinos' in Dublin (and possibly most cities) are almost exclusively criminal enterprises that pay no tax.

Adult stores, in particular, apparently make next-to-no profit. They exist to launder money, with a tiny number (1 or 2) of exceptions.

RedTie · 07-07-2017 04:14PM

223vmax wrote: »

Solicitors/Barristers.

The key to hiring them is to get clear written details of any costs going forward after the first consultation. A good solicitor will charge about 150 euros for the first meeting.

After that they are legally obliged to clearly outline the cost of your case.

B.A._Baracus · 07-07-2017 04:14PM

Casinos.
Worked briefly in a casino a couple of years ago dealing poker. One lady working there had over 20 years experience in casinos within Ireland and the UK.

Told me the whole shady scene about them. Same dodgy folk coming in and dropping a few grand without a peep out of them (obvious money laundering) to the casinos themselves being owned by criminals. Usually a "silent partner" type crap.

Casino I worked for in question had such a silent partner. I didn't have a clue until she told me.

Shady, shady places.

greencap · 07-07-2017 04:16PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Casinos.
Worked briefly in a casino a couple of years ago dealing poker. One lady working there had over 20 years experience in casinos within Ireland and the UK.

Told me the whole shady scene about them. Same dodgy folk coming in and dropping a few grand without a peep out of them (obvious money laundering) to the casinos themselves being owned by criminals. Usually a "silent partner" type crap.

Casino I worked for in question had such a silent partner. I didn't have a clue until she told me.

Shady, shady places.

Thats interesting.

So much going on around me, I'm walking round like Dougal.

RedTie · 07-07-2017 04:17PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Hairdressing. The amount of tax fiddling that goes on...

Interesting. I'd say any cash business has the potential for serious tax dodgyness.

When Internet Cafes were a thing it struck me how little tax they must pay as all they have to say is they've had a quiet few months.

Ineedaname · 07-07-2017 04:22PM

Did some research on the furniture industry in college last year and it shocked me how unregulated it is.

Companies use illegally sourced materials in factories that employ children all to charge a ridiculous mark up.

One guy even admitted his company can import furniture fully assembled far cheaper than it can flat packed and assembled in Ireland.

B.A._Baracus · 07-07-2017 04:22PM

greencap wrote: »

Thats interesting.

So much going on around me, I'm walking round like Dougal.

Haha. Sure I was wet behind the ears when I was there :pac:

Actually, she told me something about BlackJack once too. Basically long story short, after all the cards have been used from the shoe, the dealer re-deals and offers one player the chance to cut the cards. Then places them back into the shoe.

A little trick is that if someone/s is winning too much the dealer wont offer a player to cut the decks but do so themself closer to the edge.

For some reason cutting near the edge (as opposed to the middle which most players do) just lowers the odds for the player. I still can't wrap my head around how it does that... but it's a trick they use. I've seen it happen to me since when playing BlackJack.

Glenster · 07-07-2017 04:23PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Management Companies in apartment and housing complexes

so many of them controlled by the original developer

Everyone in the development has a vote and is a an equal shareholder in the management company.

If the company constituted by the original developer is still the agent for the owners management company its just because the shareholders (i.e. the owners) are happy with what they're doing/ too apathetic/ too lazy.

Its democracy baby.

Valmont · 07-07-2017 04:24PM

Local government. I spent a few years working for a debt collection company and the most ruthless, unforgiving, and tenacious creditors we worked for were councils. They literally didn't give a flying **** about any extenuating circumstances. I reasoned maybe businesses had to worry about a scandal in the newspapers, who knows.

RedTie · 07-07-2017 04:33PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Thank you for your most insightful post. The enhancement it's given my life is immeasurable.

keith_sixteen · 07-07-2017 04:38PM

conorhal wrote: »

As far as I can see, EVERYTHING that goes out to tender from the public sector is treated as a cash cow. I've worked on a couple of government contracts in the IT sector and it really opened my eyes to how our money gets spent.
Government agencies are clueless and get bilked for 2 to 3 times the amount they need to spend by 'consultants' who deliver needlessly complex, expensive barely functional solutions to do very basic things.

Never trust consultants in general. They're like ticks, they bury themselves in your skin, suck your blood and won't let go until they bleed you dry or you burn them off.

While I'd agree with most of your post, the bolded part is the key part.
Think your last part about consultants is a bit harsh tho. I worked as an IT consultant for many years. In the private sector, the pressure to deliver was huge. The hours were counted and the deliverables reviewed in detail.

I took pride in my work and could generally deliver or face being thrown off.

Public sector tho...my goodness...clueless is an understatement. Problem there is, nobody cares. There is no accountability.

Atoms for Peace · 07-07-2017 04:52PM

I don't trust any of these new fangled, hot shot tech startups that offer extremely vague services, espicially if they have celebrity investors.
I can only imagine that a lot are some sort of financial chicanery.

pumpkin4life · 07-07-2017 05:05PM

University and the education system, with the possible exception of STEM.

Teaching young highly impressionable people postmodern SJW garbage for three to four years of their life with no skills and no job prospects at the end (learn to think, employers will value your critical thinking skills! they say) of it all, which they in turn have to pay for, is truly sad, messed up and evil in my opinion.

Also, how much do you actually learn in secondary school? It's just a holding place for bored restless teenagers in all fairness.

But everything talks about education being this wonderful thing?

topper75 · 07-07-2017 05:19PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Insurance

I'm sure most people realise by now.

A handful of sellers in the market for an obligatory product. What could go wrong.

Loss for the year? no probs - load it on them next year. Profit isn't risk reward, it's a right.

Need to bring down pretax profit so you are not paying loads of tax? no probs - create a big 'reserve against losses' and stick into the P&L account as an 'expense'.

Defo one of the most immoral out there. Then you have the mighty re-insurers Swiss Re etc. The ultimate in evil parasite corporations. Right up there with IMF as a conspiracy nightmare come true.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

University and the education system, with the possible exception of STEM.

Teaching young highly impressionable people postmodern SJW garbage for three to four years of their life with no skills and no job prospects at the end (learn to think, employers will value your critical thinking skills! they say) of it all, which they in turn have to pay for, is truly sad, messed up and evil in my opinion.

Also, how much do you actually learn in secondary school? It's just a holding place for bored restless teenagers in all fairness.

But everything talks about education being this wonderful thing?

Yup when it comes to schooling - get tech or get out.

ScumLord · 07-07-2017 05:20PM

RedTie wrote: »

Chinese takeaways in general are not good for you regardless of them passing hygiene tests. It's the shíte that goes into them or the source of their "meat" (I use the term loosely) that you shouldn't put into your body.

I don't think the Chinese would be any better or worse than any other forms of fast food, maybe marginally better considering they use vegetables in some of their meals. But I don't think they'd get some sort of pass on food quality, they're under the same rules as everybody else and I'd say given the urban myths going around about the likes of cat meat that they get more inspections than most.

They basically sell Asian themed junk food. Standard chippers sell American themed junk food, pizzerias sell Italian themed junk food. It's all mass produced, high sugar, high fat, high salt, it's all bad. The only thing I'd stay away from in Chinese chippers these days is sweet and sour, it's like the cocacola of fast food, it's mostly sugar, like 3 or 4 cups per serving..

Yourself isit · 07-07-2017 05:29PM

RedTie wrote: »

Speaking of planned obsolescence. If you own an Apple device you should try hold out updating your iOS for as long as possible. Most updates completely fúck up older devices.

Source: updated my Ipad 2 and it slowed it down, It's still usable but I'll never update an Apple device again.

The other option is to throttle upgrades for that machine, add fewer features for everybody or disallow upgrades for older devices.

MRnotlob606 · 07-07-2017 05:30PM

Finance

Sleepy · 07-07-2017 05:30PM

Insolvency - now there's a cowboy industry with next to no meaningful legislation.

Ipso · 07-07-2017 05:31PM

Audit. Hi Mr Anglo Irish bank, everything looks good.

MRnotlob606 · 07-07-2017 05:33PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

University and the education system, with the possible exception of STEM.

Teaching young highly impressionable people postmodern SJW garbage for three to four years of their life with no skills and no job prospects at the end (learn to think, employers will value your critical thinking skills! they say) of it all, which they in turn have to pay for, is truly sad, messed up and evil in my opinion.

Also, how much do you actually learn in secondary school? It's just a holding place for bored restless teenagers in all fairness.

But everything talks about education being this wonderful thing?

Education is only seen as a means to an end in this country. Neoliberal ideas influence how education is run. The only reason there's an emphasis on STEM is because that's there the money is. You don't see anybody stressing the importance the benefits of art, or music. My former secondary school is now supported a lot by a big phrama company.

Its a lot about money rather than some fruitful, self-development journey they make it out to be.

RedTie · 07-07-2017 05:37PM

topper75 wrote: »

Need to bring down pretax profit so you are not paying loads of tax? no probs - create a big 'reserve against losses' and stick into the P&L account as an 'expense'.

That "reserve against losses" is such a sneakily clever method of tax dodging. I'm sure it's not just Insurance companies who use it.

Yourself isit · 07-07-2017 05:38PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Haha. Sure I was wet behind the ears when I was there :pac:

Actually, she told me something about BlackJack once too. Basically long story short, after all the cards have been used from the shoe, the dealer re-deals and offers one player the chance to cut the cards. Then places them back into the shoe.

A little trick is that if someone/s is winning too much the dealer wont offer a player to cut the decks but do so themself closer to the edge.

For some reason cutting near the edge (as opposed to the middle which most players do) just lowers the odds for the player. I still can't wrap my head around how it does that... but it's a trick they use. I've seen it happen to me since when playing BlackJack.

Sounds odd. The house advantage in blackjack is the player loses if he goes bust regardless of what happens to the dealer or other players.

ScumLord · 07-07-2017 05:39PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Education is only seen as a means to an end in this country. Neoliberal ideas influence how education is run. The only reason there's an emphasis on STEM is because that's there the money is. You don't see anybody stressing the importance the benefits of art, or music.

Or even just how to be a civilized human being. We're sending kids out into the modern world with a victorian education. Our education system is all about turning people into a capable worker bot.

Jurgen Klopp · 07-07-2017 05:41PM

The refugee/migrant industry in Europe right now.

Most charities and NGOs are making money off the amount of people they can get in to Italy and therefore Europe. The Italian government has accused this lately and even claim various NGOs are going into African waters and cutting dingies loose so much they want Italian Naval vessels to escort each NGO and charity's vessels anymore.

Then the real money spinner is the massive government and EU contracts once they are in from old hotels being leased like Roscommon for example amongst other contracts offered

If they could they'd keep them coming

Then there's loads of business people licking their lips at the thought of a load of illegals getting in without proper asylum they can hire for €3 an hour from Germany to here.

Not only that but they are obviously delighted with the more workers in the lower wages ago along with higher rents, etc

Yourself isit · 07-07-2017 05:43PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Or even just how to be a civilized human being. We're sending kids out into the modern world with a victorian education. Our education system is all about turning people into a capable worker bot.

It isn't actually. In fact most reformers want that - get rid of irish. Teach programming. Etc.

megaten · 07-07-2017 05:48PM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Teaching young highly impressionable people postmodern SJW garbage for three to four years of their life with no skills and no job prospects at the end (learn to think, employers will value your critical thinking skills! they say) of it all, which they in turn have to pay for, is truly sad, messed up and evil in my opinion.

If you actually ever did a humanities course you'd soon be rid of your socialist takeover dreams.
(My point is any group that can't even manage to put together a decent college course isn't going to be changing the fabric of society anytime soon.)

123shooter · 07-07-2017 05:55PM

RedTie wrote: »

I'm sure certain chinese take-aways, certain restaurants etc must have some awful behind the scenes practices. I haven't ordered a chinese in years after the last one tasted like rubber covered in curry sauce.

How about a king prawn curry (thought I was playing safe) and the prawns were still part frozen in the curry sauce.

PARlance · 07-07-2017 05:57PM

The pre-packed Sandwich Industry. They pack the sandwiches in the middle and leave very little filling elsewhere. Thus, when they cut and present it, it looks fuller than it really is.

Scoundrels.

What industry is dodgier than most people realize?

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