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Former Former · 06-07-2017 02:09PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I read it as the IT were looking to fill column inches and maybe stir some controversy. Hansen is finishing after RWC 2019 so they asked is Gatland a contender. Yew basically said no one has been ruled out.

The NZRU needs to stick to their guns and promote from within otherwise all the coaching talent will head overseas knowing they can come back and get the top job.

Also I don't want Gatland coaching the ABs.

I'd say it was just that the IT are in New Zealand and bumped into him. I don't think there's anything untoward in it, but nor would I read anything into it. Tew even name-dropped Pat Lam and he is about as likely to be the next NZ coach as Declan Kidney.

aloooof · 06-07-2017 02:10PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Some sources had Davies on the bench. Think some were saying the Lions app.

But it does appear the correct sub 9 is Webb.

Either would be unlikely to get much gametime in any case, I would imagine, barring injury to Murray.

Buer · 06-07-2017 02:15PM

As reported before Hansen was appointed, the NZRU invited a glut of people to apply for the job. There was a long list including pretty much every top flight Kiwi coach....Schmidt, Cotter and Gatland were all on it. It doesn't mean anything and the list could be over a dozen people long.

Pretty much any Kiwi head coach who has top level experience is going to be on that list.

Yeah_Right · 06-07-2017 02:25PM

Webbs wrote: »

Whats your reasoning for not wanting Gatland?

It's tough to put it down to one thing. I don't like how he comes across in press conferences and the media. I don't think Wales' results have been as good as they should have been under him. If he was to come back to NZ and win a Super Rugby title or two then maybe I could change my mind.

Webbs · 06-07-2017 02:30PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

It's tough to put it down to one thing. I don't like how he comes across in press conferences and the media. I don't think Wales' results have been as good as they should have been under him. If he was to come back to NZ and win a Super Rugby title or two then maybe I could change my mind.

Yet Hansen is very similar in press conferences isnt he? Maybe its the way you make them in NZ surly and not media approachable

I feel Gatland works with what he has and is not the inflexible 'warrenball' that is portrayed on here a lot.

Impressed with his ability on this tour to look for a wider more fluid game than he does with Wales, he takes horses for courses in my opinion. ( I hope he brings that attitude with him back to Wales). Apart from bad SH record he had been pretty successful with Wales I think

Yeah_Right · 06-07-2017 02:49PM

To me Hansen has a better sense of humour. Gatland comes across as defensive, grumpy and less subtle.

His record against the SH is a big factor for me. It's not good enough.

Podge_irl · 06-07-2017 03:03PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

To me Hansen has a better sense of humour. Gatland comes across as defensive, grumpy and less subtle.

His record against the SH is a big factor for me. It's not good enough.

I wonder how much of that is affected by their respective win ratios.

aloooof · 06-07-2017 03:07PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

To me Hansen has a better sense of humour. Gatland comes across as defensive, grumpy and less subtle.

His record against the SH is a big factor for me. It's not good enough.

I'd say it's very marginal between the 2 of them, no?

radharc · 06-07-2017 05:41PM

aloooof wrote: »

I'd say it's very marginal between the 2 of them, no?

Hard to believe a nation that have cheered on Graham Henry and Hansen would have any problems with Gatland's personality.

Yeah_Right · 06-07-2017 05:55PM

Gatland is more like John Mitchell in my eyes. Jus a bit more experienced and smarter. I didn't like him either.

Maybe that's just my anti-Waikato bias showing through

Any way, if the Lions win the series then his coaching stocks shoot right up. I still wouldn't want an "outsider" to get the AB job. Be it Gatland, Schmidt, Cotter, whoever unless they did a year back in NZ rugby first like Henry did.

Bleating Lamb · 06-07-2017 06:28PM

Haven't the time to read through pages since team announced for Final test....what overall feeling on Mako being retained?

Bleating Lamb · 06-07-2017 06:28PM

Haven't the time to read through pages since team announced for Final test....what overall feeling on Mako being retained?

awec · 06-07-2017 06:44PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

To me Hansen has a better sense of humour. Gatland comes across as defensive, grumpy and less subtle.

His record against the SH is a big factor for me. It's not good enough.

His win ratio in the SH is rubbish if you exclude the Lions.

And I exclude the Lions purposefully because in any other job he won't have the luxury of picking the best players and coaches from 4 nations.

Podge_irl · 06-07-2017 06:58PM

awec wrote: »

His win ratio in the SH is rubbish if you exclude the Lions.

In the SH or against the SH?

His win ratio against the SH, particularly Australia given the frequency of their match-ups and their strength, is woeful.

CMOTDibbler · 06-07-2017 08:32PM

awec wrote: »

His win ratio in the SH is rubbish if you exclude the Lions.

And I exclude the Lions purposefully because in any other job he won't have the luxury of picking the best players and coaches from 4 nations.

Shouldn't that be the very reason that you'd give him something of a pass for Wales?

shootermacg · 06-07-2017 10:52PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Haven't the time to read through pages since team announced for Final test....what overall feeling on Mako being retained?

He might have over done it last Saturday, but make no mistake it'll be more of the same come this saturday!

I personally think of NZ as most cynical team in the game. Cheating is fine if you can get away with it seems to be the message coming out of NZ after the Ireland game in Dublin.
They'll be out with as many cheap shots as they can get away with this Saturday. Mako will not take a backwards step and that spirit will go a long way in what will be an absolute ****-fest of dirty play that we will witness.

In saying that after the card and all, they may just try and run the **** out of it.

06-07-2017 11:05PM

shootermacg wrote: »

He might have over done it last Saturday, but make no mistake it'll be more of the same come this saturday!

I personally think of NZ as most cynical team in the game. Cheating is fine if you can get away with it seems to be the message coming out of NZ after the Ireland game in Dublin.
They'll be out with as many cheap shots as they can get away with this Saturday. Mako will not take a backwards step and that spirit will go a long way in what will be an absolute ****-fest of dirty play that we will witness.

In saying that after the card and all, they may just try and run the **** out of it.

Luckily what you think and reality are two very different things.

shootermacg · 06-07-2017 11:20PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Luckily what you think and reality are two very different things.

You seem to know a lot about reality. Write a book about it and let me know when you've won the Nobel peace prize.

Jump_In_Jack · 06-07-2017 11:21PM

shootermacg wrote: »

He might have over done it last Saturday, but make no mistake it'll be more of the same come this saturday!

I personally think of NZ as most cynical team in the game. Cheating is fine if you can get away with it seems to be the message coming out of NZ after the Ireland game in Dublin.
They'll be out with as many cheap shots as they can get away with this Saturday. Mako will not take a backwards step and that spirit will go a long way in what will be an absolute ****-fest of dirty play that we will witness.

In saying that after the card and all, they may just try and run the **** out of it.

I hope the referee is strong, if the Lions get into an early lead there will be a lot of illegal tackles flying in and cannon-balling into/over rucks. Expect there to be a few yellows if the referee can stand up to the home crowd.
Just hope none of the Irish guys get targeted to be taken out off the ball again.

turnikett1 · 06-07-2017 11:46PM

Sexton and Robbie both got injured in Dublin when we played them last. What happens if Sexton and Farrell both get injured tomorrow? Who plays fly-half then?

irishman86 · 07-07-2017 12:36AM

awec wrote: »

His win ratio in the SH is rubbish if you exclude the Lions.

And I exclude the Lions purposefully because in any other job he won't have the luxury of picking the best players and coaches from 4 nations.

I dunno about that NZ/Tonga/Samoa/Fiji maybe he is the right man for the All Blacks :pac:

07-07-2017 05:16AM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I hope the referee is strong, if the Lions get into an early lead there will be a lot of illegal tackles flying in and cannon-balling into/over rucks. Expect there to be a few yellows if the referee can stand up to the home crowd.
Just hope none of the Irish guys get targeted to be taken out off the ball again.

You do realise which of the two teams has employed the most illegal play so far this series, right?

CMOTDibbler · 07-07-2017 08:38AM

shootermacg wrote: »

You seem to know a lot about reality. Write a book about it and let me know when you've won the Nobel peace prize.

Would that not be the Nobel prize for literature?

07-07-2017 08:58AM

turnikett1 wrote: »

Sexton and Robbie both got injured in Dublin when we played them last. What happens if Sexton and Farrell both get injured tomorrow? Who plays fly-half then?

Doesn't matter, Lions will be screwed. It's pretty standard to go into a match with two fly half options.

Burkie1203 · 07-07-2017 09:01AM

turnikett1 wrote: »

Sexton and Robbie both got injured in Dublin when we played them last. What happens if Sexton and Farrell both get injured tomorrow? Who plays fly-half then?

Webb to 9 and Murray to 10

sydthebeat · 07-07-2017 10:20AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Webb to 9 and Murray to 10

elliot daly has experience at 10 as far as i know... so thats another possibility

Jump_In_Jack · 07-07-2017 10:31AM

Basil3 wrote: »

You do realise which of the two teams has employed the most illegal play so far this series, right?

1 red card to 1 yellow card

But don't forget New Zealand's performance in Dublin, under pressure they tried to set a record for reckless high tackles, which subsequently forced World Rugby to announce a new focus on refereeing such tactics.

stephen_n · 07-07-2017 11:15AM

Cheating is only cheating when the other team does it, when your team does it, its skill or "dark arts".

07-07-2017 11:34AM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

1 red card to 1 yellow card

But don't forget New Zealand's performance in Dublin, under pressure they tried to set a record for reckless high tackles, which subsequently forced World Rugby to announce a new focus on refereeing such tactics.

Ah, would you like to talk about the All Black's and records? :pac:

I really hope you are saying stuff like the above tongue-in-cheek. If not, it's very, very sad.

Jump_In_Jack · 07-07-2017 12:29PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Ah, would you like to talk about the All Black's and records? :pac:

I really hope you are saying stuff like the above tongue-in-cheek. If not, it's very, very sad.

Your attitude speaks volumes for the type of denial which is typical of New Zealand rugby zealots.
That's the sad thing.
Don't anyone point out facts about dangerous play, nobody will believe it, especially if New Zealand have had some success which apparently disproves everything else.
Be more objective and you may be taken seriously.

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