Dairy chit chat II

Mooooo · 02-07-2017 09:53AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

What s Ye're protein and butterfat like this year when compared with the same period last year...?? Is it up or down...? Don't care bout figures just wonðering is it higher or lower....

Protein has been higher than butterfat on a couple of occasions here over past 2 months.... Never happened before..... Butterfat in general isn't great.... Don't think it's ever been so low.... I'm sure it has nothin to do with butter being worth over 6000 a ton...

Butterfat is more or less the same this year protein up this year over last alright, must double check but last year I averaged 3.49p hope to be 3.6 this year will prob be around the 4 for butterfat. If bf is below protein are you seeing signs of acidosis bubbly watery dung?

Timmaay · 02-07-2017 10:03AM

Have the oppose problem here, bf holding around 4, against 3.8 in previous years on fresh grass, but protein hasn't got going at all, around 3.35, last 2 Summers I'd be expecting to hit 3.5 early enough. No obvious changes in grass quality, nuts etc.

Keepgrowing · 02-07-2017 10:16AM

BF. Higher
P. Same

kowtow · 02-07-2017 10:23AM

Is any one going to Moore Park on Tuesday?

yosemitesam1 · 02-07-2017 11:38AM

kowtow wrote: »

Is any one going to Moore Park on Tuesday?

Can you just show up at the gate?

pedigree 6 · 02-07-2017 11:59AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Can you just show up at the gate?

All welcome afaik.

They're not going to turn anyone away.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-07-2017 02:04PM

This is the first time in a number of years that I've seen a forecast for wheat prices to rise in the near future.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-25/it-s-a-scorcher-dusty-wheat-fields-spell-peak-for-global-glut?utm_content=commodities&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-commodities

It should lead into reduces milk output and better prices here in the future, if true.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-07-2017 02:45PM

And this might suit someone, Volac Urban auto calf feeder with 60 collars, 2009 and working perfectly, apparently.

https://www.donedeal.ie/feedingequipment-for-sale/volac-calf-feeder/15888798

whelan2 · 02-07-2017 02:53PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Have the oppose problem here, bf holding around 4, against 3.8 in previous years on fresh grass, but protein hasn't got going at all, around 3.35, last 2 Summers I'd be expecting to hit 3.5 early enough. No obvious changes in grass quality, nuts etc.

Would your Autumn calvers have been helping to keep it higher other years? Mine was 3.5% for June against 3.41 for last year

Mooooo · 02-07-2017 03:07PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

And this might suit someone, Volac Urban auto calf feeder with 60 collars, 2009 and working perfectly, apparently.

https://www.donedeal.ie/feedingequipment-for-sale/volac-calf-feeder/15888798

Anyone have one for a few years? How they going? Much to go wrong?

jaymla627 · 02-07-2017 03:29PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

This is the first time in a number of years that I've seen a forecast for wheat prices to rise in the near future.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-25/it-s-a-scorcher-dusty-wheat-fields-spell-peak-for-global-glut?utm_content=commodities&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-commodities

It should lead into reduces milk output and better prices here in the future, if true.

Wouldn't get to hung up on wheat futures as it mergers with human consumption for bread etc maize and soya are still looking like record crops coming in, and aren't anticipated to catch fire price wise going forward into 2018

Keepgrowing · 02-07-2017 03:33PM

kowtow wrote: »

Is any one going to Moore Park on Tuesday?

Yep that's the plan. Always a great day

mahoney_j · 02-07-2017 03:45PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Yep that's the plan. Always a great day

Heading too ,busy at the minute but a day not to be missed

GrasstoMilk · 02-07-2017 06:02PM

The gf won a free lunch courtesy of teagasc, be rude not to go now

Never wrestle with pigs · 02-07-2017 07:13PM

How are they going this year? They took a gamble earlier in the year and took out allot of grass hoping for rain. They got the rain etc so should be really going good this year and well settled into sight etc.

Mooooo · 02-07-2017 10:28PM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

How are they going this year? They took a gamble earlier in the year and took out allot of grass hoping for rain. They got the rain etc so should be really going good this year and well settled into sight etc.

That was greenfields in Kilkenny I think open day is moorepark in fermoy. As far as I know it worked out alright they may have had to buffer for a week maybe, not sure didn't keep o top of their notes this year

awaywithyou · 02-07-2017 10:43PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Butterfat is more or less the same this year protein up this year over last alright, must double check but last year I averaged 3.49p hope to be 3.6 this year will prob be around the 4 for butterfat. If bf is below protein are you seeing signs of acidosis bubbly watery dung?

Dungs in general are ok.... Mite be an odd bubbly dung..... Cows are milking very very well and protein is ahead of last yr..... Scc good... Butterfat is disappointing... 3.49 at the min... Hasn't crossed 3.5 in two months.....

The part time boy · 02-07-2017 11:51PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Kinda in a quandary here as to whether to lease or sell the rest of my place...I'll never farm it again any way, but money yields nothing

If we use our brain there only one answer .
Assuming you 10 acres or 100 acre

Long term Lease @ 250 a acre

€2500 €25000

Sell the land @10000 a acre

€100,000 €1,000,000

Put the money into a safe long term savings scheme and only leave on the interest at 4%

€4000 €40,000

Now with with long term Lease you get it tax free but there a €150 a acre better off per year .

Now that was the brain . The heart is the total different problem .

kowtow · 03-07-2017 12:09AM

The part time boy wrote:

Put the money into a safe long term savings scheme and only leave on the interest at 4%

The part time boy wrote:

If we use our brain there only one answer . Assuming you 10 acres or 100 acre

The part time boy wrote:

Long term Lease @ 250 a acre

The part time boy wrote:

â‚¬2500 â‚¬25000

The part time boy wrote:

Sell the land @10000 a acre

The part time boy wrote:

â‚¬100,000 â‚¬1,000,000

The part time boy wrote:

â‚¬4000 â‚¬40,000

The part time boy wrote:

Now with with long term Lease you get it tax free but there a â‚¬150 a acre better off per year .

The part time boy wrote:

Now that was the brain . The heart is the total different problem .

You are assuming that neither land nor money inflates over the lease period.

The part time boy · 03-07-2017 12:21AM

That is true . But land could go the way of the 80's and go back to 5000 a area which is probably a better value considering what you can make of it .

20 years ago I paid 150 pound ( 190 euro) for acre and that was not top dollor at the time . Same and is making 200 euro today .

Not trying to put rangler in a early grave but I was presuming his 65 and he live for 30 years.

For a young fella to get a farm this might be not a good plan .

The other side is land rental could go sharply down under a new cap.

rangler1 · 03-07-2017 06:21AM

The part time boy wrote: »

If we use our brain there only one answer .
Assuming you 10 acres or 100 acre

Long term Lease @ 250 a acre

€2500 €25000

Sell the land @10000 a acre

€100,000 €1,000,000

Put the money into a safe long term savings scheme and only leave on the interest at 4%

€4000 €40,000

Now with with long term Lease you get it tax free but there a €150 a acre better off per year .

Now that was the brain . The heart is the total different problem .

You won't get 4% if you want it risk free.....be lucky to get 2%.
High risk is alright until you're 55 but you need to be consolidating after that.

kowtow · 03-07-2017 08:44AM

The part time boy wrote:

That is true . But land could go the way of the 80's and go back to 5000 a area which is probably a better value considering what you can make of it .

Yup. Wouldn't disagree and to that extent better to compare without appreciation of land or depreciation of money. As long as people are clear what they are looking at.

Rangler... not sure what long term locked up retail savings accounts are offering at the moment? Quite apart from the usual emotional arguments now is a hellish time to be making these choices - all depends on when interest rates rise again which they must. I'm afraid the only sane advice is sell half and rent half!

Mooooo · 03-07-2017 09:26AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Dungs in general are ok.... Mite be an odd bubbly dung..... Cows are milking very very well and protein is ahead of last yr..... Scc good... Butterfat is disappointing... 3.49 at the min... Hasn't crossed 3.5 in two months.....

I don't know really, I t could be ok how is the rest of your discussion group doing? Are you feeding much ration, My lack of a butterfat drop could be down to grass getting stemmy on me and me not controlling it on time

blackdog1 · 03-07-2017 03:01PM

Wheat prices in france up from 140 a tonne last year to 168 atm. Also butter is predicted to hit 6500 a tonne by Christmas according to the French. All good signs . Price probably won't lift until intervention clears but signs look very good.

looksee · 03-07-2017 03:26PM

Can I ask you Dairy lads a question? I am thinking of buying a house which is right beside a dairy farm. Largish place but looks well looked after to me, not that I know anything about it. I will be intending to have paying guests and I am wondering how often could I expect really smelly stuff like slurry spreading to happen? And what time of year mostly? TIA!

kowtow · 03-07-2017 03:39PM

looksee wrote: »

Can I ask you Dairy lads a question? I am thinking of buying a house which is right beside a dairy farm. Largish place but looks well looked after to me, not that I know anything about it. I will be intending to have paying guests and I am wondering how often could I expect really smelly stuff like slurry spreading to happen? And what time of year mostly? TIA!

Is the house on the East or the West side of the farm?

looksee · 03-07-2017 04:34PM

The farm is south east, but the fields are all round and it is near enough the coast. If slurry were being disturbed I don't think it would matter much which side we were, its very close!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 03-07-2017 04:56PM

looksee wrote: »

Can I ask you Dairy lads a question? I am thinking of buying a house which is right beside a dairy farm. Largish place but looks well looked after to me, not that I know anything about it. I will be intending to have paying guests and I am wondering how often could I expect really smelly stuff like slurry spreading to happen? And what time of year mostly? TIA!

Spring, June and September would be the common times for most dairy farmers. If land is being grazed by cattle most of the year then just spring with less in the Autumn.

Slurry is normally spread after ground being closed for silage in April and after being allowed spread slurry in January and before being stopped from spreading in September.

freedominacup · 03-07-2017 08:22PM

looksee wrote: »

The farm is south east, but the fields are all round and it is near enough the coast. If slurry were being disturbed I don't think it would matter much which side we were, its very close!

Prevailing wind will be towards the house from farmyard.

rangler1 · 04-07-2017 12:18AM

looksee wrote: »

Can I ask you Dairy lads a question? I am thinking of buying a house which is right beside a dairy farm. Largish place but looks well looked after to me, not that I know anything about it. I will be intending to have paying guests and I am wondering how often could I expect really smelly stuff like slurry spreading to happen? And what time of year mostly? TIA!

Don't buy it, smell will destroy your business, a restaurant near here failed and locals claim it was because of pig slurry smell, I know I left it one night because of it

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