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Sleeper cars

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    #32
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    tedpan wrote: »
    if you're a car person, the alloys tell you it's a fast ford.

    My Da's 1.8 Mondeo had the same wheels.


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    #33
    farna_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭farna_boy


    I think the question that needs to be answered before we go any further is if a sleeper car is either
    • A high powered car that is modified to look unassuming
    • An unassuming car that has been modified to be fast or
    • A high powered car that comes from the factory and is a special edition that not many people will know about

    An example of the third scenario might be a Galant VR-4, that almost looks like a normal Galant except for the VR4 badge and a twin turbo 280bhp engine

    DSCF0124.jpg.


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    #34
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭bladespin


    farna_boy wrote: »
    I think the question that needs to be answered before we go any further is if a sleeper car is either
    • A high powered car that is modified to look unassuming
    • An unassuming car that has been modified to be fast or
    • A high powered car that comes from the factory and is a special edition that not many people will know about

    An example of the third scenario might be a Galant VR-4, that almost looks like a normal Galant except for the VR4 badge and a twin turbo 280bhp engine


    A bit of all 3 imo, essentially it's the surprise factor you would have over someone is something more blatant.


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    #35
    Carpentry
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Carpentry


    Any Mini Cooper S, usually 1.6 supercharged with 170 ponnies, looks like teenagers college car.

    You wont get car looking more "usual" as this yet will trash you from the start.

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    Also any lad in sportified Glanza. Same thing as with Cooper S.

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    #36
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    A sleeper car is a quick car that insurance companies give reasonable quotes on.


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    #37
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭bladespin


    TallGlass wrote: »
    A sleeper car is a quick car that insurance companies give reasonable quotes on.

    No, that's a unicorn or a hens tooth ;)


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    #38
    whippet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭whippet


    It's always been the 190e cosworth for me .. especially the 2.5 without the mental evo spoiler


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    #39
    Sexual Chocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    tedpan wrote: »
    Yeah, sleepers usually give nothing away.

    The Mondeo is nearly as good although if you're a car person, the alloys tell you it's a fast ford.


    To be honest the alloys are ghia x spec wheels. They can be got from factory at the time with the 2.0 petrol and diesel (130bhp) and both V6's.


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    #40
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    farna_boy wrote: »
    I think the question that needs to be answered before we go any further is if a sleeper car is either
    • A high powered car that is modified to look unassuming
    • An unassuming car that has been modified to be fast or
    • A high powered car that comes from the factory and is a special edition that not many people will know about

    An example of the third scenario might be a Galant VR-4, that almost looks like a normal Galant except for the VR4 badge and a twin turbo 280bhp engine

    DSCF0124.jpg.

    Anyone who played Gran Turismo would spot a VR4 straight away.


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    #41
    farna_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭farna_boy


    McGaggs wrote: »
    Anyone who played Gran Turismo would spot a VR4 straight away.

    Debadge it and I wouldn't be so sure. Even at that most people wouldn't give it a second glance.

    On the other hand most people would see the Glanza and the bonnet scoop and guess something was up, even if they just thought it was modified by a boy racer.


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    #42
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    farna_boy wrote: »
    Debadge it and I wouldn't be so sure. Even at that most people wouldn't give it a second glance.

    On the other hand most people would see the Glanza and the bonnet scoop and guess something was up, even if they just thought it was modified by a boy racer.

    They would though


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    #43
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭Panrich


    I came up behind a car a while back with a badge I didn't recognise and it was toddling along at abut 90 kph. I was debating whether to overtake when it took off and left me for dead in two seconds flat. It was stopped outside a shop in the next town and I got a close up of the badge. An internet search told me it was a Holden GTS.


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    #44
    farna_boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭farna_boy


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    They would though

    I think you are vastly over estimating the amount of people who have either played Gran Turismo or give a flying **** about cars.

    To be honest, I'm not sure that I would recognise a debadged vr4 since that era Galant was already aggressively styled.

    The point I was trying to make was that if a car has a massive spoiler or a bonnet scoop, most people who don't care about cars will tweak that it isn't a normal slow/boring car.

    Feel free to post your own version of sleeper cars so we don't get bogged down in crap though.


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    #45
    Phil.x
    Registered Users Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    To me this is what sleepers are all about.

    https://youtu.be/YN3hJIhREzs


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    #46
    grogi
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    Carpentry wrote: »
    Any Mini Cooper S, usually 1.6 supercharged with 170 ponnies, looks like teenagers college car.

    You wont get car looking more "usual" as this yet will trash you from the start.

    Any self-respecting car lover will recognise Cooper S - it is obvious by the looks of its tail pipes. And everyone knows what an original Mini Cooper was...


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    #47
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭bladespin


    grogi wrote:
    Any self-respecting car lover will recognise Cooper S - it is obvious by the looks of its tail pipes. And everyone knows what an original Mini Cooper was...


    Not really about car lovers, they'll spot the tells; wider tyres, extra pipe etc, it's more for the 'I've a fast car' brigade who know f all about cars.


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    #48
    tedpan
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭tedpan


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAxNjwGCWac


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    #49
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    BMW E60 535D with a remap

    Volvo S60 2.4 T5 with a remap

    Hot hatches are not sleepers sorry


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    #50
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭s15r330


    Supergurrier wrote: »
    BMW E60 535D with a remap

    Volvo S60 2.4 T5 with a remap

    Hot hatches are not sleepers sorry

    I had a starlet that probably would have made a show of both of those, so sorry yourself!


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    #51
    jacksie66
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    #52
    PaulKK
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    tedpan wrote: »
    None of those German cars are sleepers. They look like they're going to be quick..

    To a lesser extent non car enthusiasts presume all BMWs and Audi's are 'fast' also so they can't be classed as sleepers IMO.

    I'd regard something like this as a sleeper:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-golf-v6-2000/15646576

    A car that's usually 'invisible' like a golf or corolla or primera that packs a punch.


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    #53
    MarkN
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    s15r330 wrote: »
    I had a starlet that probably would have made a show of both of those, so sorry yourself!

    535d has more torque than an M5 before the remap, nevermind after. I'm sure the Starlet would have many advantages such as weight etc but "a show" I think we'd all have to witness it.


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    #54
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭s15r330


    MarkN wrote: »
    535d has more torque than an M5 before the remap, nevermind after. I'm sure the Starlet would have many advantages such as weight etc but "a show" I think we'd all have to witness it.

    A starlet with 298bhp that weighed just over 850kg vs a 535d with say 340bhp? and weighing close to 1900kg.

    372bhp/tonne starlet against 179bhp/tonne 535d.

    The bmw's torque would surely have it off the line quicker but as soon as the starlet came on boost forget it.


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    #55
    wotswattage
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭wotswattage


    These Mazda 6 MPS's comes in completely below 95% of peoples radar.

    AWD
    260bhp 380Nm
    Blends in with the crowd, though there are noticeable differences if you go looking.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-6-mps-awd-260bhp-2-year-nct/15179330

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    #56
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    s15r330 wrote: »
    I had a starlet that probably would have made a show of both of those, so sorry yourself!

    I've had a couple fast hatchbacks myself and as i said not a sleeper as any turbo hatch making big power will have a 3 inch exhaust system which will make it very noticible when on boost as you say :)

    Same reason i don't consider my old S4 avant to have been a sleeper even though parked it was, because you would have to be deaf to think so.


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    #57
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    wotswattage wrote: »
    These Mazda 6 MPS's comes in completely below 95% of peoples radar.

    That is opposite of a sleeper...

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    Lovely car though.


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    #58
    IrishZeus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭IrishZeus


    Cant find one on sale to link to but my past Insignia would be borderline sleeper. 2.0l Turbo, 220BHP.

    Didnt stand out to look at but left many a car surprised at the lights :)


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    #59
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭s15r330


    IrishZeus wrote: »
    Cant find one on sale to link to but my past Insignia would be borderline sleeper. 2.0l Turbo, 220BHP.

    Didnt stand out to look at but left many a car surprised at the lights :)

    Mental tax though!


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    #60
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,623 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Phaeton W12 all day long.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp8KYtj3QeY


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    #61
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,179 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Passat 4.0 litre W8, take away the badges and it looks like just another smokey Passat TDi:

    2003_volkswagen_passat_used_5247943_1.jpg?version=1492521764


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