Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

walshb wrote: »

Ward talking complete bollix! Forgetting to say if Floyd allows it be close.

walshb wrote: »

Would you prefer I agree with Ward, that the no hoper non pro boxer pushes Mayweather close the first 6 rds?

I'd personally like you to open your mind to the possibility that Conor could do well due to his own skills and a good gameplan.

You seem intent on covering every base:

1. Conor sucks at boxing (none of us actually know for sure either way).
2. Floyd will destroy him and/or embarrass him.
3. Oh if Conor performs well it's because Floyd let him.
4. If Conor somehow wins it was all a big fix.
5. I can't give you a single good reason for Floyd to allow it to be close or for either man to 'fix' the fight but I'll keep saying it anyway.

Just stick to 1 & 2

I'd be mortified if any MMA Forum regular was making pre-emptive excuses in case Conor lost in the Octagon to Floyd.

It's convenient for walshb to cover all bases because then you can never say he was wrong.

walshb wrote: »

Wonder, never said Conor sucks at boxing. That would be a bit unfair, and silly, as he is not a boxer to begin with.

you called him a "no hoper", thats pretty the least amount of respect you can give a fighter

walshb wrote: »

Pro boxer no hoper in this match...

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You know nothing about common sense, chief.

Sure you're on the other thread saying Floyd could win the fight with one hand ffs.

It's fine Walshb if you think Conor has no hope of doing well or that Floyd could win with one hand. That's a very common opinion even from MMA fans. The issue people have is you keep adding caveats to that view - such as "If Conor does well it is because Floyd allowed him to" or "the con is on if Conor wins".

Even those caveats are not stupid in themselves if you explained to people what Floyd/Conor have to gain in rigging a fight to make it competitive or allowing Conor to win? Put it another way - Conor spent $300,000 on the Diaz 2 camp, which involved bringing in Conor Wallace, Owen Murphy and flying Artem, Charlie, Queally and others to Vegas and also paying for other sparring partners to come in.

By the looks of his camp for Floyd he'll be spending anywhere from $500,000 to $750,000. He has already flown in Dashon Johnson from America and Louis Adolphe from the UK. He has flown in his nutritionist George Lockhart. He has brought in Tiernan Bradley. They will all be getting paid and put up in hotels. He's got (apparently) up to 6 boxers coming in for the American leg of his camp, including Paulie M, and (probably) a large SBG entourage going. I'm sure all that costs money too.

If Conor's intention was to face Floyd in a "glorified spar" or a "con" or "a rigged fight", why would he spend so much money paying sparring partners a salary, making guys like Paulie sign NDA's, paying for their flights, hotels, food, board?

If you're making $100 million from an exhibition, why waste over half a million training for it? Remember, all it would take is one man to slip in training and break their leg and that $100 million goes away for now.

So it's clear that Conor is taking this very seriously and from the footage released so far, it appears Floyd is taking this very seriously.

If we start from there, with both men taking this seriously, then there are no caveats. If Floyd goes in there and embarrasses Conor, fair play to Floyd and fair play to you for predicting it. If Conor goes in and wins 4 or 5 rounds or KO's Floyd stiff, then fair play to him for proving the doubters wrong.

Just move past this "it's a rigged/sham fight" talking point, it makes you look silly.

walshb wrote: »

Wonder, we may disagree a fair bit, bit at least you can digest and interpret what I am saying.

Fair enough. I'll move away-off from the whole "could it be staged"angle.

Thanks.

Would you also agree if Floyd chooses to fight toe-to-toe if would give Conor a better chance than if he sticks and moves?

Floyd has some chin but when he stands in the pocket winging shots, he is very easily hit. You'd be surprised how many times he gets hit clean with a left hand in this compilation.

walshb wrote: »

Toe to toe in the pocket, yes, a better chance I reckon.

In the pocket and toe to toe and Conor firing punches there is the punchers chance.

I think most would agree that Floyd has far superior speed and hand speed than Conor so to try have success against him, Conor will probably need to draw him into a firefight or make it ugly like Horn did overnight.

I think visually the fight will look like Cotto v Pacquiao and by that I mean the size differential. Cotto was able to get up early on the scorecards in the first 2 rounds with his jab, before the speed difference began to show.

Conor doesn't have an effective jab, even in MMA. That's going to be a big problem for him to overcome now that he can't time his punches off kicks.

I'm interested to see what gameplan they come up with. I find it hard to believe he can improve the jab much in the space of 4 or 5 months, so they must be working on something else.

The Steve Collins strategy in Eubank 1 (or 2) might be the way to go. Close the distance fast from the opening bell and see if he can get the fight to the ropes. If the fight stays in the middle of the ring, you'd have to assume Floyd would sit behind the jab and piece Conor up.