Shootings in New York and Arkansas. Will America ever cop the fúck on regarding guns

ScumLord wrote: »

That was 20 years ago and a borderline civil war. Your now comparing the average American gun user (which by your statistics is using an illegal gun) to terrorist organisations??

I didn't say that or give statistics to say same. I gave an example on how if the demand is there someone will supply it and be successful no matter how much security they have to overcome and the security isnt there now for those who would want to seek same.

So my point is banning all guns anyway would make no difference anywhere because those who want will get.

What has that got to do with gun use in America anyway. I'm not arguing that guns aren't imported into America I just find it hard to believe that the majority are. We see guns being stolen all the time in America and I think it would be preferable to most criminals to steal high quality guns in aMerica than import knock off ones from some unknown place. I don't think even the chinese would be manufacturing knock off guns for illegal export to the US, the only other places I can think of that would be manufacturing knock off guns would be the middle east and Africa.

I believe there are many conterfiet guns being produced. Where they end up???

Irish gangs can get their hands on guns, they import them from the people supplying them with drugs.

So we are in agreement then.

They don't have loads of guns though, nothing compared to the US.

They have what they want obviously.

I still don't believe the majority of guns used illegally in the states ar imported knock offs.

Never said that.....see above.

Don't you lot ever read newspapers or watch the news it's all on there.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If they lose their right to bear arms they will lose their power over the government. In Europe we are veering closer and closer to socialist states through the back door. The US can never turn into a super nanny state government whilst the people can bear arms and form militias.

The right to bear arms was the greatest single piece of legislation in the history of the world.

This is a very good point because in the past by removing arms from the people the state could find it easy to control and impose its will over them.

Problem is again as an example the Irish terrorists proved that no matter how much security there is the population can still arm itself.

Governments think that by tracking and listening to everything that you do now it will overcome that situation from happening again. But the Islamic type of terrorists are proving how easy it is to run rings around that idea by just adapting.

So the ban all guns idea is dead in the water except in the heads of low rate politicians who are on the gravy train.

123shooter wrote: »

I didn't say that or give statistics to say same. I gave an example on how if the demand is there someone will supply it and be successful no matter how much security they have to overcome and the security isnt there now for those who would want to seek same.

So my point is banning all guns anyway would make no difference anywhere because those who want will get.

Of course it would make a difference. Irish gangs have access to some guns, they can't go out and buy whatever they want when they want it. They can get a gun when they want it, but they get whatevers on offer or wait until someone can source something specific. That's nothing like the state of affairs in the states where there's so many guns floating around that I don't see any need to import cheap knock offs.

Never said that.....see above.

You brought up counterfeit imports as a counter to my question of where all the illegal guns come from, I said they likely start off as legal guns and you implied they're illegal imports. We're talking about guns in the states and you're pointing fingers all over the world, but nowhere in the world has the same situation as the states. No where has a consumer market for guns like the US has. The US sells guns as if they're no different than a dishwasher or potted plant.

ScumLord wrote: »

Europe is socialist, there's no slipping in the back door, we are now socialist and we are socialist by design because we want to be socialist.

If the US government decides to go all nazi and impose a government the people don't want do you think the local population with their glorified hunting rifles will stand a chance against the US military? The guns won't make much of a difference.

The military won't fire upon their own citizens. They also wouldn't last too long when the armed forces members desert and 100m people with guns come knocking on their door.

ScumLord wrote: »

Europe is socialist, there's no slipping in the back door, we are now socialist and we are socialist by design because we want to be socialist.

If the US government decides to go all nazi and impose a government the people don't want do you think the local population with their glorified hunting rifles will stand a chance against the US military? The guns won't make much of a difference.

On that point didn't the communists in Russia and the Nazi party start off by being socialists. All for the people allegedly. It's a good way to get into power and then........

When will Ireland ban alcohol and stop the meaningless deaths?

Erik Shin wrote: »

How am I going to walk into a school and mass murder the kids with a flagon of cider ?

Suppose if someone had the figures we would see that booze kills more people in accidents than all the shootings (not including war obviously).

Cars and the like must kill and maim more people than guns including war but people will not ban them and there is no difference in the deaths...dead is dead.

Smoking still not banned after all this time with the deaths that causes directly and indirectly.

Akrasia wrote:

Ah, I've been waiting for the Diagnosis Murder reboot.

Have the lizard people been mentioned yet?

123shooter wrote: »

Deadly arsenal headed for the streets of Britain: Huge haul of 79 guns is found in a truck preparing to enter the UK at the Channel Tunnel



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4660920/Deadly-arsenal-headed-Britain-intercepted-France.html

or as american would probably describe it, a small gun collection.